Doechii's album "ABNH" was what Hip Hop heads were waiting for but it went under the radar so now you can't complain about Sexyy Red and Ice Spice.

[Rn.]

Work that nobody cared about until the forced push,not even Section 80. And he was signed to Aftermath before Section 80. But more narratives,placements,and torches had to be handed out to move the needle.

I'm not downplaying his success if I acknowledge he delivered on the forced push. He just happens to be a forced push that we can look back on favorably,and in retrospect say he deserved it and the label was right. I just think they are about to go 2 for 3 with Doechi. But I was wrong the other two times so maybe she will make the same leap

Is saying they needed help and development a nicer way to put it for you?

See, this is why the plant talk is such contrived bullshyt. Its just used to fit peoples already jealous perceptions of artists they don't care for, because I could easily contrive a perspective where the Migos and Future are "industry plants". Future was connected to Dungeon Family early on, but that's not an industry plant to yall huh? Migos had one project out and were virtually unknown before they were getting cosigns from Zaytoven and Drake. Yall probably didn't hear about RHQ until he was Rich Gang and fukkin with Birdman. Everyone you speak of you can pinpoint a moment where they got a "push", but its never said about certain people whether its "organic" or not. Cause its largely irrelevant.

Its a good chance they wasn't listening to Kendrick back then.

And Atlanta wasn't bumping Future when he was "Meathead" () he had to get a "push" from somewhere, even tho he was putting in the work.

 

[The Eliminator]

Denial is a river hittin

 

[Metal Face]

ice spice and sexyy red >>> doechii

 

[Still Benefited]

See, this is why the plant talk is such contrived bullshyt. Its just used to fit peoples already jealous perceptions of artists they don't care for, because I could easily contrive a perspective where the Migos and Future are "industry plants". Future was connected to Dungeon Family early on, but that's not an industry plant to yall huh? Migos had one project out and were virtually unknown before they were getting cosigns from Zaytoven and Drake. Yall probably didn't hear about RHQ until he was Rich Gang and fukkin with Birdman. Everyone you speak of you can pinpoint a moment where they got a "push", but its never said about certain people whether its "organic" or not. Cause its largely irrelevant.

Its a good chance they wasn't listening to Kendrick back then.

And Atlanta wasn't bumping Future when he was "Meathead" () he had to get a "push" from somewhere, even tho he was putting in the work.

This is just making up false narratives

Most people had no idea who Future was even when Racks on Racks came out. People had to explain that the YC dude was biting Future. But he was obviously known in Atlanta if he had soundalikes who were such fans they were bold enough to bite his style, then ask him to be on the record. Then he started making noise and putting out his own hits.

Migos has Versace that was getting play. Which is how Drake heard of them and wanted to be on the record. They didn't even want him on that record because it already had legs. They wanted him on something else.


"Type of Way" was a viral hit. This was before he got with Birdman to my knowledge. He had a shortlived run and some memorable hooks. But point is if he had started getting a crazy push during that period,we would all see why.



I don't believe you can show me anything Kendrick did that warranted the type of forced push he was getting. All the people I mentioned did something where them getting a big push made perfect sense. Kendrick was a head scratcher at the time.

But if y'all can name something he did that had his hype so crazy on the internet, crazy in the streets of California,crazy on the airwaves I'm all ears. What song or project did Kendrick have that forced people to take notice,where him getting a huge push came at no suprise?


This should be easy if it was organic.

 

[dfresh]

There’s way to many Tde bots on here.

 

[Rn.]

This is just making up false narratives

Most people had no idea who Future was even when Racks on Racks came out. People had to explain that the YC dude was biting Future. But he was obviously known in Atlanta if he had soundalikes who were such fans they were bold enough to bite his style, then ask him to be on the record. Then he started making noise and putting out his own hits.

Migos has Versace that was getting play. Which is how Drake heard of them and wanted to be on the record. They didn't even want him on that record because it already had legs. They wanted him on something else.


"Type of Way" was a viral hit. This was before he got with Birdman to my knowledge. He had a shortlived run and some memorable hooks. But point is if he had started getting a crazy push during that period,we would all see why.



I don't believe you can show me anything Kendrick did that warranted the type of forced push he was getting. All the people I mentioned did something where them getting a big push made perfect sense. Kendrick was a head scratcher at the time.

But if y'all can name something he did that had his hype so crazy on the internet, crazy in the streets of California,crazy on the airwaves I'm all ears. What song or project did Kendrick have that forced people to take notice,where him getting a huge push came at no suprise?


This should be easy if it was organic.

He had an entire catalogue of music put out before section 80 that somebody already posted in here and he was gang affiliated in a culture that's close-knit out there. Somebody saw this and signed him and thus his career as a superstar began. I'm losing what about this confuses and angers people so much.

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

her tiny desk performance made me check her album out and she has superstar written all over her. she's easily the most talented female rapper out right now and should win every award she's nominated for.

 

[tuckgod]

Tf is this supposed to sound like lmao

He's actually correct.

 

[Still Benefited]

He had an entire catalogue of music put out before section 80 that somebody already posted in here and he was gang affiliated in a culture that's close-knit out there. Somebody saw this and signed him and thus his career as a superstar began. I'm losing what about this confuses and angers people so much.

Is that all it takes to be signed by Dre and have the torch passed to you by west coast legends.?

You stated the exact career path of a plant and didn't realize it.


1."Somebody sees them"
3. "There career as a superstar begins"


Your completely missing the step 2 where they organically drop music that has them buzzing crazy in the streets locally or regionally. Or drops a viral hit or project that sets the internet on fire. You can't just say he had a catalogue,alot of people have catalogues. Which album or song from that catalogue had him popping before the signing and push.


Truth is he was probably a writer at Aftermath. Who they realized would be perfect for the pro black/protest era. So they called him up out of of the minor leagues and made him a thing.


Why does that upset y'all,if I acknowledge he LEGITIMATELY became a real thing? And how could I be mad when doing it this way has created two great artist in SZA and Kendrick. I only mentioned it to show a pattern. I am angry about Doechi because she is clearly wack imo. But I thought SZA was wack and Kendrick was "okay" at first too. So Im open to looking like a fool 5 years from now. But let's just say I'm fairly confident about this one .


But let's be clear,it still deserves an asterisk of sorts when you start getting compared to self made goats. He's simply not as self made as certain others.

 

[Diunx]

shyt was fire

 

[Still Benefited]

Even Ice Spice stans could point to the moment she became a star and why her push made perfect sense

When it's organic,it's never a struggle

 

[CrimsonTider]

Her rapping is terrible

 

[Rn.]

Is that all it takes to be signed by Dre and have the torch passed to you by west coast legends.?

You stated the exact career path of a plant and didn't realize it.


1."Somebody sees them"
3. "There career as a superstar begins"


Your completely missing the step 2 where they organically drop music that has them buzzing crazy in the streets locally or regionally. Or drops a viral hit or project that sets the internet on fire. You can't just say he had a catalogue,alot of people have catalogues. Which album or song from that catalogue had him popping before the signing and push.


Truth is he was probably a writer at Aftermath. Who they realized would be perfect for the pro black/protest era. So they called him up out of of the minor leagues and made him a thing.


Why does that upset y'all,if I acknowledge he LEGITIMATELY became a real thing? And how could I be mad when doing it this way has created two great artist in SZA and Kendrick. I only mentioned it to show a pattern. I am angry about Doechi because she is clearly wack imo. But I thought SZA was wack and Kendrick was "okay" at first too. So Im open to looking like a fool 5 years from now. But let's just say I'm fairly confident about this one .


But let's be clear,it still deserves an asterisk of sorts when you start getting compared to self made goats. He's simply not as self made as certain others.

1."Somebody sees them"
3. "There career as a superstar begins"

He had music out first fam, why are you glossing over this. You're being disingenuous and minimizing this fact that he had music out before signing and being heralded, THEN somebody recognizes the talent and decides to expand on it.

1. Have music out
2. Somebody sees them
3. Career begins

The music doesn't always have to be buzzy or trendy for someone to pick up on a talented artist. I said it the other day, but it seems like yall just want everybody to follow the same career paths because its palatable for you to see people doing the same shyt as everyone else. Overly Dedicated had songs with Jhene and Dom who were bigger artists than him at the time. I remember Michael Jordan being a relatively big song, I heard this as an east coaster in high school, all this before Aftermath and ginormous budgets were in place and people giving him GOAT status.

Truth is he was probably a writer at Aftermath. Who they realized would be perfect for the pro black/protest era.

What is this mess. The protest era of...2011? Yea, I see the underlining hate and dishonesty in your posts fam. Have a good day

 

[Ironman]

I don’t understand this cause she’s been out for some time now.

Have yall not heard what it is with Kodak? That song was a smash hit on billboard in 23 and is platinum.



Maybe they decided to Rebrand her and now she’s more “hip hop”


She was literally opening for Beyoncé when she was on that huge tour



Damn @Art Barr is right about her now that I think about it

I never paid attention that this was herThis is just a gotdamn rebrand

 

[Still Benefited]

1."Somebody sees them"
3. "There career as a superstar begins"

He had music out first fam, why are you glossing over this. You're being disingenuous and minimizing this fact that he had music out before signing and being heralded, THEN somebody recognizes the talent and decides to expand on it.

1. Have music out
2. Somebody sees them
3. Career begins

The music doesn't always have to be buzzy or trendy for someone to pick up on a talented artist. I said it the other day, but it seems like yall just want everybody to follow the same career paths because its palatable for you to see people doing the same shyt as everyone else. Overly Dedicated had songs with Jhene and Dom who were bigger artists than him at the time. I remember Michael Jordan being a relatively big song, I heard this as an east coaster in high school, all this before Aftermath and ginormous budgets were in place and people giving him GOAT status.

Truth is he was probably a writer at Aftermath. Who they realized would be perfect for the pro black/protest era.

What is this mess. The protest era of...2011? Yea, I see the underlining hate and dishonesty in your posts fam. Have a good day

Your right,Mike Brown wasn't until 2014. So they must have saw something else. But he was already on Aftermath before Section 80. As for the rest of what you said. People can take whatever path they want to,what matters is the result. But why do y'all have an issue with people pointing out it wasn't organic if ultimately it doesn't matter? When you start comparing goats these things do matter though. I only bought it up in here because it's relevant to the topic,and shows a pattern. It's not like I randomly bought it up out the blue to dismiss Kendrick. That's just how y'all took it,because in y'alls hearts y'all know in hip-hop "getting it out the mud" hits different. Being self made with zero cosigns holds a different type of weight. Biggie had Puffy and has an asterisk. Biggie and Pac died,so Nas and Jay have that asterisk. Hate it or love it,Kendricks career path will be held against him. For the forced push he received that greatly benefited him. And there's no evidence he could've garnered buzz from a large audience without it. It's even questionable locally if he could've locked the city up. Could he have locked up the internet? There's no evidence to say yes because he never did in any regard.