Does anyone on here believe in The Big Bang? (The theory, not the TV show)

[kaiOogway]

i dont feel like were ever gonna know how shyt started. how could you possibly know that for sure

It's mind boggling to think about it

 

[Yade]

I believe in the Big Bang “THEORY”
And I also believe in the Bible



From what i understand God isn’t designed to be seen in this world and works thru Jesus


And Jesus spoke everything into existence

 

[IVS]

I believe in the Big Bang “THEORY”
And I also believe in the Bible



From what i understand God isn’t designed to be seen in this world and works thru Jesus


And Jesus spoke everything into existence

WHAT?!
Baffling bullshyt.

I amam convinc we are not all homosapiens. Some of y'all are just homo cuz there is no sapientia.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

They can over the course of billions of years. Hell, you can see examples of evolution on this planet in a much shorter time frame.

Look at it like playing the lottery....let's say you have a 1 in 250 million chance of winning. If you won it would be considered amazing.

Would it be amazing if you played a near limitless amount of times over the course of 1 billion years? No, it would be common place. Given a long enough time span nearly anything is possible.

Fred.

I agree but that's the thing, I think humans in general cannot grasp the reality of billions of years. And how long that really is.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Good thread, but TLR is the wrong place. Too many dumb nikkas invested in pawgs, cardi b, and cut the check.

 

[hex]

I agree but that's the thing, I think humans in general cannot grasp the reality of billions of years. And how long that really is.

I agree. This whole thread is (no offense to the OP) is a fool's errand. We don't even know what's going on in other parts of our own galaxy....and there's too many galaxies to count.

Hell, we don't even know what's going on in our own solar system. Matter of fact....we don't even know what's in half our oceans/seas around the world.

So once you start talking about billions of years ago, or the universe as a whole....shyt is good for (hopefully) intelligent discussion but beyond that, we're never going to know any of that stuff.

I'm personally agnostic but if God does exist....he's not a magician. He's a scientist. Because there is an order to the universe. So if the Big Bang did happen, God did the math to make it happen. He didn't just snap his fingers and *poof* everything appeared.

Fred.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

Thats the cool thing about Science. We'll never know for sure 100%. We'll just always have theories with varying degrees of certainty. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet there was a time when we thought we knew the Earth was flat.....then we developed better tools and analytics scraped all that crap(Sorry Galileo, you were right). The story will keep changing as our scientific apparatus gets better and better. Generally the big bang theory is almost accepted as fact these days by top scientists though, it isnt observable(duhh) but based on the expansion that we can perceive and measure and observe today, yeah i believe it. I don't know about the big crunch though( The thoery that says the expansion will stop and reverse and go back to that one mass)Interestingly enough the Koran speaks of all the heavens and earth(does that mean the universe?) and how it was all created from a single mass(the pre big bang mass?) that was violently torn apart(the big bang?). That always tripped me out when i read it.

 

[xCivicx]

So true. Expertise doesn't matter. Everyone's opinion matters equally on all things, no matter how much or little they've studied the subject matter.

You can choose to believe in the words of known liars that give you nonsensical concepts and then dont provide any proof of said concepts

Or you can choose to believe in yourself and your own intelligently designed senses

 

[xCivicx]

Breh everything you made of comes from a star dying . Every element you consist of is inside a star.



Not comparable and Whites are on Earth by an accident. Everything that creates life kills them and they can't retain the nutrients like other beings due to no melanin. Bad bones low birth rates skin disease etc... I rather say whites are aliens.

The universe just provide the components or the soup and whatever occurs between these mixes happens.

I'm not comparing anything

I'm just stating historical fact

Big bang and evolutionary theory are 100% intertwined

Conceptually, one cannot and does not exist without the other

 

[xCivicx]

There's nothing to believe


All the evidence points to an original expansion from a single point


Now what came before that expansion (and what caused the exspansion) is an interesting question

Feel free to post any of this "evidence"

Cuz I dont think some of yall know what that words means

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

I doubt anyone on this board has a truly meaningful opinion on it. You'd need a PhD level of astrophysics to have a meaningful debate on such complex mathematical and astrophysics theory.

Shut the fvck up

 

[xCivicx]

They can over the course of billions of years. Hell, you can see examples of evolution on this planet in a much shorter time frame.

Look at it like playing the lottery....let's say you have a 1 in 250 million chance of winning. If you won it would be considered amazing.

Would it be amazing if you played a near limitless amount of times over the course of 1 billion years? No, it would be common place. Given a long enough time span nearly anything is possible.

Fred.

Nah that's not really a proper example

A better example would be that you play the lotto for a billion years and over the course of that 1 billion years, your lotto ticket somehow "evolves" into the novel "war and peace"

By that logic there should be organisms randomly evolving(which is not the same as adapting) all around us and there arent

The "unlimited time, unlimited possibilities" argument is just more comic book science imo

The human brain can barely comprehend the size of the numbers that we're just told to blindly believe in, with respect to the length of time that this reality has existed

The concept of time itself doesn't even make sense in a random, chaotic infinitely expanding universe that came from nothing that's also moving towards a state of maximum entropy

The only reason why can conceptualize time is because of the heavenly bodies above us

If any of part of the celestial system above us were to shift in any way, then our concept of time would be completely invalidated

Yet the stars have remained the exact same year in and year out, century in and century out, millennium in and millennium out, which, again, is impossible in a random, chaotic, infinitely expanding universe that's moving toward a state of maximum entropy

I keep hearing people say that time is fluid and great forces can have great effects on time(like "gravith" being able to slow time down), but for as long as I've been alive, time has been probably the most constant thing about this reality

Saying "I believe that infinite events can occur over a long enough timeline" is almost like saying "I believe that magic can occur over a long enough period of time"

 

[hex]

Nah that's not really a proper example

A better example would be that you play the lotto for a billion years and over the course of that 1 billion years, your lotto ticket somehow "evolves" into the novel "war and peace"

By that logic there should be organisms randomly evolving(which is not the same as adapting) all around us and there arent

The "unlimited time, unlimited possibilities" argument is just more comic book science imo

The human brain can barely comprehend the size of the numbers that we're just told to blindly believe in, with respect to the length of time that this reality has existed

The concept of time itself doesn't even make sense in a random, chaotic infinitely expanding universe that came from nothing that's also moving towards a state of maximum entropy

The only reason why can conceptualize time is because of the heavenly bodies above us

If any of part of the celestial system above us were to shift in any way, then our concept of time would be completely invalidated

Yet the stars have remained the exact same year in and year out, century in and century out, millennium in and millennium out, which, again, is impossible in a random, chaotic, infinitely expanding universe that's moving toward a state of maximum entropy

I keep hearing people say that time is fluid and great forces can have great effects on time(like "gravith" being able to slow time down), but for as long as I've been alive, time has been probably the most constant thing about this reality

Saying "I believe that infinite events can occur over a long enough timeline" is almost like saying "I believe that magic can occur over a long enough period of time"

There is small scale examples of evolution:

Evolution to the rescue: Species may adapt quickly to rapid environmental change, yeast study shows

But generally speaking you aren't going to live long enough to see something evolve. No offense but if you don't understand that....then everything else is going to confuse you.

We're talking about time on a scale of millions, if not billions of years. Let's say you live to be 150. Do you not see how ridiculous "I don't see things evolving" is?

And the lotto example you gave is....again, no offense....awful. I used winning the lottery as an example because given the limited number of times you play, it doesn't put a dent in the 1 in 250 million (or whatever) odds set against you. If you were to play it an infinite number of times, the 1 in 250 million odds would be inconsequential.

As far as gravity....the sole reason time is constant for you is because you've never been subjected to gravity strong enough to affect it. You have literally one example of gravity to go by.

But gravity affecting time is easily proven, given the right equipment:

Gravity’s effect on time confirmed – Physics World

Or, if you don't feel like reading all that:

Gravitational time dilation - Wikipedia

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times. The effects detected in such Earth-bound experiments are extremely small, with differences being measured in nanoseconds. Relative to Earth's age in billions of years, Earth's core is effectively 2.5 years younger than its surface. Demonstrating larger effects would require greater distances from the Earth or a larger gravitational source.

And, no the stars haven't remained the same. Most of the stars we see have been dead for a long time. Hell, our own Sun could disappear right now and we'd still receive light for roughly 8 minutes, due to the time it would take for the light to reach us from 93 million miles away.

Fred.

 

[xCivicx]

There is small scale examples of evolution:

Evolution to the rescue: Species may adapt quickly to rapid environmental change, yeast study shows

But generally speaking you aren't going to live long enough to see something evolve. No offense but if you don't understand that....then everything else is going to confuse you.

We're talking about time on a scale of millions, if not billions of years. Let's say you live to be 150. Do you not see how ridiculous "I don't see things evolving" is?

And the lotto example you gave is....again, no offense....awful. I used winning the lottery as an example because given the limited number of times you play, it doesn't put a dent in the 1 in 250 million (or whatever) odds set against you. If you were to play it an infinite number of times, the 1 in 250 million odds would be inconsequential.

As far as gravity....the sole reason time is constant for you is because you've never been subjected to gravity strong enough to affect it. You have literally one example of gravity to go by.

But gravity affecting time is easily proven, given the right equipment:

Gravity’s effect on time confirmed – Physics World

Or, if you don't feel like reading all that:

Gravitational time dilation - Wikipedia



And, no the stars haven't remained the same. Most of the stars we see have been dead for a long time. Hell, our own Sun could disappear right now and we'd still receive light for roughly 8 minutes, due to the time it would take for the light to reach us from 93 million miles away.

Fred.

This is what I mean

You literall just posted a bunch of words with not a single iota of scientific proof to back it up

You believe it because someone ELSE told you it was true, without actually proving it to you

And again you proved my point when you made the claim that there's proof of small scale evolution, then linked an article that clearly shows that they are speaking on ADAPTATION, which, again, is not EVOLUTION

You can choose to believe that the nonsensical concepts coming out of the scientific community can be explained away by "well they say it happens over a time period longer than I'll be alive so I just believe what they say" but that is literally the definition of "anti-scientific" and it's actually more in line with "blind religious faith"

I learned a long time ago to never waste my time believing in a concept that I cant personally prove to be true if I needed to

But again, as I have to keep repeating, if you believe in evolutionary theory then you believe that the African is genetically inferior to the European, which is also anti-scientific

 

[xCivicx]

And what you said about the constellations is completely incorrect

If any star in any constellation system died then it would invalidate and change the look of the entire conatellation itself, and thus our concept of time itself

The constellations have remained pretty much the exact same for millennia, which doesnt make a lick of sense according to big bang/heliocentric theory

Also, I dont believe in gravitational theory as a fundamental force of nature btw

And you don't have to link me to words of other men. I know all the rhetoric. It what I went to school for