Does Buffalo think EJ Manuel is Andrew Luck?!?!?
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godkiller
"We are the Fury"
How dare Whaley have confidence in EJ Manuel and thus decline spending high picks on an already stalwart defence, like Carolina and New York elected to do. It seems like Whaley is taking taking Colt's extreme view and investing in weapons as well as protection to help along his young QB.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
It looks like Gettleman in Carolina has less confidence in Cam than Whaley in Buffalo. Or it could be the other way around: Gettleman might have more confidence in Cam than Whaley does in in EJ, and that's why Gettleman didn't see the need to draft offensive support like Whaley. 
How dare Doug Whaley use his team's most valuable assets to surround franchise QB with offensive line and weapons, a la Andrew Luck and Matt Ryan?
I could be wrong I also don't follow the bills like that but he did cash out for Watkins
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
That's fine. I follow the Bills and will fill you in. Last year Buffalo's GM invested a number of valuable resources, including draft picks, into improving the line and receiver corps. In his own words, Buffalo is "all in" for EJ. Whaley didn't just draft Watkins; he picked up a plethora of offensive linemen thereafter. EJ is getting that "golden boy" treatment typically only reserved for types like Ryan Tannehill and Andrew Luck. The Bills could have went defence like Carolina and New York, thereby taking pressure off their QB to make plays (or, diametrically, reduce the impact of their poor play on the team's fortunes
).The caveat is that EJ Manuel is not very talented. Maybe, one day, Gettleman will reward Newton--a more talented and solid QB--with a #1 receiver that isn't 30 years old
. Or nah 
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That's fine. I follow the Bills and will fill you in. Last year Buffalo's GM invested a number of valuable resources, including draft picks, into improving the line and receiver corps. In his own words, Buffalo is "all in" for EJ. Whaley didn't just draft Watkins; he picked up a plethora of offensive linemen thereafter. EJ is getting that "golden boy" treatment typically only reserved for types like Ryan Tannehill and Andrew Luck. The caveat is that EJ Manuel is not very talented.
E.J. Seems talented to me...good size, arm, mobile seemed to make good check downs than you have big play backs behind him and if Watkins can produce like a pick that high should be able to he should be a 1000yard 10td receiver.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
I said such because I don't think is as even as talented as Tannehill, but I do like him. Like you say, EJ has ideal physical attributes for the position. Most of the problems holding him back are mental and experienced-related. Because although he is a good decision-maker and checks down well, EJ doesn't have good field vision. And though he has good short accuracy, his down field accuracy is very poor. He can throw to open receivers but has trouble anticipating routes. I think this will all get better with reps and experience, but who knows?
Die hard Bills fan here.
The Bills aren't so much "all in" with EJ, as they are all in with making the playoffs THIS YEAR, by any means necessary.
With Ralph wilson having passed away, either Pegula or Golisano are going to take over ownership, probably in late August.. they won't clean house right away, as that would doom the season, but the new owner is (obviously) going to evaluate the team from top to bottom over the course of the season.
So one of two things happens following the final whistle of the week 17 game vs. the Patriots. Either the entire coaching staff/front office is gone if the Bills fail to make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row,
or
Everyone in the front office gets a vote of confidence from a new owner, and (likely) free will to spend to the cap--something that was never possible under Wilson.
For any number of reasons, not the least of which is just because we've sucked for so long, I hope option B comes to pass. I think Whaley is an extremely talented GM who has made some absolutely astounding moves that have broken the mold for the Bills since he's taken over. Getting Kiko in the second last year, as well as fleecing Indy for Hughes (who looks like a sure-fire pro bowler this year on an already stacked d-line,) not to mention not overpaying for Byrd (on the PUP for back surgery) and getting a solid young group of wideouts. And probably the greatest coup of all: getting Schwartz in there to coach the D about 3 hours after Pettine left for Cleveland.
With all that being said, I do not think the Bills are all that invested in EJ... if it gets to be week 6 and we're 2-4 with EJ struggling, look for Tuel to take over--by all accounts he's had a great offseason and has looked good so far in training camp. Definitely an interesting story to watch over the preseason though... It's going to be very interesting going into week 1 if the preseason stats shake out like:
EJ 49% accuracy, 2 tds, 3 ints
Tuel: 63% accuracy, 4 tds, 0 ints
If I was a betting man I would say its 50/50 EJ even starts week 1
The Bills aren't so much "all in" with EJ, as they are all in with making the playoffs THIS YEAR, by any means necessary.
With Ralph wilson having passed away, either Pegula or Golisano are going to take over ownership, probably in late August.. they won't clean house right away, as that would doom the season, but the new owner is (obviously) going to evaluate the team from top to bottom over the course of the season.
So one of two things happens following the final whistle of the week 17 game vs. the Patriots. Either the entire coaching staff/front office is gone if the Bills fail to make the playoffs for the 15th year in a row,
or
Everyone in the front office gets a vote of confidence from a new owner, and (likely) free will to spend to the cap--something that was never possible under Wilson.
For any number of reasons, not the least of which is just because we've sucked for so long, I hope option B comes to pass. I think Whaley is an extremely talented GM who has made some absolutely astounding moves that have broken the mold for the Bills since he's taken over. Getting Kiko in the second last year, as well as fleecing Indy for Hughes (who looks like a sure-fire pro bowler this year on an already stacked d-line,) not to mention not overpaying for Byrd (on the PUP for back surgery) and getting a solid young group of wideouts. And probably the greatest coup of all: getting Schwartz in there to coach the D about 3 hours after Pettine left for Cleveland.
With all that being said, I do not think the Bills are all that invested in EJ... if it gets to be week 6 and we're 2-4 with EJ struggling, look for Tuel to take over--by all accounts he's had a great offseason and has looked good so far in training camp. Definitely an interesting story to watch over the preseason though... It's going to be very interesting going into week 1 if the preseason stats shake out like:
EJ 49% accuracy, 2 tds, 3 ints
Tuel: 63% accuracy, 4 tds, 0 ints
If I was a betting man I would say its 50/50 EJ even starts week 1
The God Poster
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Disapointed your whole logic sound like @Emperor_ReinScarf. Bills doing common sense, Build your lines & you can 
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bills are invested in manuel, its why they have no vet backup and they traded away next years first, and drafted watkins and traded for brown, he has all the tools to succeed the team has faith in him
tuel is not replacing manuel at any point though
he's battling lewis for that backup spot
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Thats becuz yousa dumbazz
Thats becuz yousa dumbazz
I'm a dumbazz because I think the dude who was a first round NFL pick is talented? Trolling for no damn reason 
I think it's the oppositeHow dare Doug Whaley use his team's most valuable assets to surround franchise QB with offensive line and weapons, a la Andrew Luck and Matt Ryan?
When you have a slightly above average QB you need to surround him with great WR and OL just to have an impact.
- See Matt Ryan
An elite QB will put average WRs in the probowl and hall of fame if you drink the coolaid
- See most of Tom Brady's receivers
- See most of Drew Breeze's receivers
It's rare that you see GMs with elite QBs go out of their way to get them great WRs but if they fall in their lap (say Moss to NE)
But i see what BUF is doing. The kid is a rookie and they wanna give him the best chance to succeed early so his confidence doesnt shatter so they are investing in surrounding him with talent now. Remember as a rookie Marino had Clayton and Duper. They made him look good and it helped his confidence. By the time they left he had the confidence to be great thus why he made scrubs like OJ McDuffie and old ass Irving Fryar look great.
Thad has looked terrible so far this training camp, by all accounts.
And Manuel has looked like garbage--balls in the dirt and sailing over receivers heads.
To be fair though--EJ is much better in pressure/live game situations than practice (as far as reports from practice go).
But make no mistake--jobs are on the line this year in Buffalo. The coaches wouldn't say it in a million years, and most of the hacks at the Buffalo News or Chris Brown, the mouth piece of the team itself, would probably not say it for fear of losing access to the team, but Manuel's on a short leash this season.
6-10 for a 5th straight year is surely going to mean the end for:
Russ, Littman, Overdorf, Marrone, Hackett, Whaley, EJ, Mario, Dareus, Spiller, Kyle Williams, Moorman, Fredex, and on and on and on.
It's all or nothing this year. THATS why Whaley went out and got Watkins. Either it works and the Bills make the playoffs and that first rounder is the 24th pick that doesn't matter... or the Bills suck, Whaleys fired and the Bills not having a first round pick doesn't matter to him.
Can EJ deliver? Personally, I have no freaking idea!