Does Buffalo think EJ Manuel is Andrew Luck?!?!?

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Die hard Bills fan here.

The Bills aren't so much "all in" with EJ, as they are all in with making the playoffs THIS YEAR, by any means necessary.

I'm a Bills' fan too. The Bills' being "all in" implies they're heavily invested in EJ's success - and they are are given all the picks that have gone into the line and receiver corps. If the team didn't believe in EJ, they wouldn't have drafted the way they did. Obviously, Whaley wants to see progression.

With all that being said, I do not think the Bills are all that invested in EJ... if it gets to be week 6 and we're 2-4 with EJ struggling, look for Tuel to take over--by all accounts he's had a great offseason and has looked good so far in training camp. Definitely an interesting story to watch over the preseason though... It's going to be very interesting going into week 1 if the preseason stats shake out like:

EJ 49% accuracy, 2 tds, 3 ints
Tuel: 63% accuracy, 4 tds, 0 ints

If I was a betting man I would say its 50/50 EJ even starts week 1

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The coaching staff has thus far given no indication Tuel will ever start ahead of a healthy Manuel. EJ takes most of the first team reps and Tuel has only recently started taking second team reps ahead of Thad Lewis. Last year Tuel was the definitive 3rd QB behind Thad Lewis, whom started after EJ's injury. In Tuel's flagship start against Kansas City, he was atrocious:

46.2% accuracy, QBR 16.8, 1 td, 2 int, 52 QB Rating

Tuel has massively outperform EJ to have a chance at starting week 1. His 2013 preseason numbers are buoyed by the fact he played against 2nd and 3rd team defences running vanilla schemes. :rudy:
 

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http://www.democratandchronicle.com...fl/bills/2014/07/23/two-bills-drive/13079845/

Just for clarification, there's a link to a story discussing how Tuel has performed so far at training camp.

Also, EJ put on 10 lbs of muscle this offseason... he's now bigger than Cam & Big Ben.. hopefully it can prevent some of the injuries he took last season!

I read training camp updates on the Bills' everyday. Where in that random article written by Sal Maiorana (who isn't a Bills beat writer) is it implied that Tuel is performing better than EJ in camp or that Tuel has a chance of start over EJ? Tuel doesn't even take the majority of first team reps. EJ looks like the best QB in camp right now.
 

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How is him weighing that much good? He was inaccurate before, getting bulkier may make his accuracy even worse.

EJ's footwork and velocity have improved. He is throwing harder and better than he ever has up till this point. His weight might have something to do with it. He has a Big Ben type body.
 

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EJ's velocity on the ball has improved. He is throwing harder and better than he ever has up till this point.
I'll believe it when I see it. He has some Geno Smith in him. He can look like a stud in shells thowing against air. Put a pass rush on him and he does dumb sh1t and his throws are inaccurate
 

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I'll believe it when I see it. He has some Geno Smith in him. He can look like a stud in shells thowing against air. Put a pass rush on him and he does dumb sh1t and his throws are inaccurate

EJ isn't like Geno in that he makes better decisions in the ball protection department. Even last year he didn't throw many interceptions. Accuracy, however, is an issue. He's inaccurate everywhere but in the short to mid range. His accuracy under pressure is even worse. His arm strenth should improve from last year through footwork alone. There is a high chance EJ fails but the potential is there.
 

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I read training camp updates on the Bills' everyday. Where in that random article written by Sal Maiorana (who isn't a Bills beat writer) is it implied that Tuel is performing better than EJ in camp or that Tuel has a chance of start over EJ? Tuel doesn't even take the majority of first team reps. EJ looks like the best QB in camp right now.

LOL, calm down man, no one has said Tuel has performed better than EJ, but Tuel made improvements this offseason and is now Pushing Thad for the #2 spot.

Considering there was a sizeable contingent of Bills fans who thought that Thad gave us a better chance to win last year than EJ, having Tuel as the #2 is going to put heat on EJ.

I am personally making a prediction that if EJ struggles in the first 3 preseason games, and Tuel lights it up, we will have a full blown QB controversy on our hands heading into week 1. Why this is shocking or out of left field for a fan of an organization that hasn't settled on a QB since Kelly retired 17 years ago, and hasn't made the playoffs since Clinton was president is beyond me?
 

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LOL, calm down man, no one has said Tuel has performed better than EJ, but Tuel made improvements this offseason and is now Pushing Thad for the #2 spot.

I'm calm. I was just bemused you implied that Tuel is good enough to push for a starter spot incumbent on a good preseason performance and a random article by Sal Mariorana. This is not true:

"We have a battle for the second-team quarterback," coach Doug Marrone said following a Tuesday practice that was disappointing from an offensive standpoint.

On Tuesday, and again Wednesday, Tuel split the second-team reps with Lewis, an indication that he has made progress since the end of 2013 when many questioned whether he'd even be brought back. Marrone explained that, "Jeff did a nice job in OTAs and he's earned himself some more reps."


Considering there was a sizeable contingent of Bills fans who thought that Thad gave us a better chance to win last year than EJ, having Tuel as the #2 is going to put heat on EJ.

I thought Thad performed better than EJ too but on one hand, Thad has several years of NFL experience. On the other, EJ missed practice with injuries and only started a handful of games.

I am personally making a prediction that if EJ struggles in the first 3 preseason games, and Tuel lights it up, we will have a full blown QB controversy on our hands heading into week 1. Why this is shocking or out of left field for a fan of an organization that hasn't settled on a QB since Kelly retired 17 years ago, and hasn't made the playoffs since Clinton was president is beyond me?

Fair enough, I'll hold you to this prediction. It is possible that Tuel starts ahead of Manuel come week 1, but only if Tuel massively outperforms EJ. I think Tuel is great competition for EJ and could potentially overtaken him. Tuel is very efficient with his reads.
 

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If they did a good enough job with his weapons he could have a Andy Dalton-like lane with a variety of weapons. Combine Manuel's physical talent with Dalton's playstyle and that's the makings of a good 2nd tier QB.:ehh: As long as yall defense doesn't fall off dramatically without Byrd the GM could just go defense next draft. Yall got a nice Dline already.
 

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I thought Thad performed better than EJ too but on one hand, Thad has several years of NFL experience. On the other, EJ missed practice with injuries and only started a handful of games.

Fair enough, I'll hold you to this prediction. It is possible that Tuel starts ahead of Manuel come week 1, but only if Tuel massively outperforms EJ. I think Tuel is great competition for EJ and could potentially overtaken him. Tuel is very efficient with his reads.

Cool. Being a Bills fan is hard enough, no need to get into it with the other prisoners :whoa:

And I don't think Marrone would ever do anything this preseason to shake EJ's confidence, which includes giving Tuel first team reps, or even fielding a question about a QB controversy. This is certainly EJ's job to lose, and they will do everything in their power to make him feel that he has an iron grip on it.

With all that being said, though, EXCELLENT (not average) qb play is the only way the Bills make the playoffs this year... On defense, they lost their best player (Byrd), their second best player is a train wreck (Dareus), and their third best player is out for the year (Kiko). Not to mention it's the fourth new defensive scheme in as many years, with a new coordinator... and the defense wasn't even that great last year, it was just much better than Bills fans are used to. So, all in all, the defense has gotten worse.

On offense, we traded away our most productive receiver and are hoping that Mike Williams gets his act together and stays healthy. Our best running back is 45 years old, and our second best running back cant run between the tackles and isn't an every down back. So, the offense is either the same, or worse.

Special teams was terrible, absolutely atrocious last year, and we brought back the same coach--so that's the same.

All in all, this Bills team is, at best, the same as last year's squad, and at worst (and more realistically) significantly worse than last years 6-10 team. The only way to mask those short comings is by lights out play from a qb.

I hope against all hope EJ can be that guy, but by all accounts, Tuel is the only player who has improved since last season at that position. Granted, his ceiling may not be as high as EJ's... he may be improving from a C- to a C+... but if EJ stays as a B- player, the coaches are going to have an interesting decision to make.

Don't forget, Brady came into the league as an afterthought, out of shape, and threw like, 4 passes his rookie year.

I don't care if we resign Brad Smith and make him the starter, I just want to win the goddamn division and end the Pats reign... if that means rooting for Tuel instead of the golden boy, so be it. But make no mistake, this preseason is the most important preseason for the Bills in a long time. This front office doesn't have time to be cute and baby some project along while protecting his feelings. If Tuel is playing well, he will be the week 1 starter.

It's business, not football.
 
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