Does math & numbers really exist?

[OG_StankBrefs]

Do any one of us really exists?

Are you sure dat's a screen your lookin at?

Is dat air you're really breevin?

Is dat really a small piece of dookie i just released in mah draws when i farted?

 

[Serious]

Do any one of us really exists?

Are you sure dat's a screen your lookin at?

Is dat air you're really breevin?

Is dat really a small piece of dookie i just released in mah draws when i farted?

Man I be questioning this sh*t. It's hard to even fathom this. Various physicist have suggested that life is like a computer simulation. What happens in the Cosmo's is based off of random statistics. The whole intelligent design argument is severely flawed in various aspects.



I could go on & on, but there's clearly is a lot potential room job development in the science field.....

*Serious for President 2024*

 

[dontreadthis]

yes math (and numbers) do exist. I know because I use them both everyday. are you really trying to ask do we NEED them or have they always existed or somethin, just what are you getting at here??

 

[SumBlackguyz]

It would also be interesting if we ever made contact with intelligent ET's and they inevitably tracked us and enslaved/wiped us out, if we could see how their system of understanding the natural world differs from our system of math and physics. as large as the universe is, there could be beings that could have been existence for millions if not billions or even trillions of years. On the universal clock, we dont even exist

What if those nikkas actually found a way to manipulate the coding of the universe?

 

[Serious]

What if those nikkas actually found a way to manipulate the coding of the universe?

Best believe there are cats working on this....

 

[SumBlackguyz]

Best believe there are cats working on this....

-puts on tin foil fat- HAAAAAAARRRP

 

[DANKTHRONE]

I love how this board is interested in discussing Mathematical Platonism

Mathematical platonism is any metaphysical account of mathematics that implies mathematical entities exist, that they are abstract, and that they are independent of all our rational activities. For example, a platonist might assert that the number pi exists outside of space and time and has the characteristics it does regardless of any mental or physical activities of human beings. Mathematical platonists are often called “realists,” although, strictly speaking, there can be realists who are not platonists because they do not accept the platonist requirement that mathematical entities be abstract.

Mathematical platonism enjoys widespread support and is frequently considered the default metaphysical position with respect to mathematics. This is unsurprising given its extremely natural interpretation of mathematical practice. In particular, mathematical platonism takes at face-value such well known truths as that “there exist” an infinite number of prime numbers, and it provides straightforward explanations of mathematical objectivity and of the differences between mathematical and spatio-temporal entities. Thus arguments for mathematical platonism typically assert that in order for mathematical theories to be true their logical structure must refer to some mathematical entities, that many mathematical theories are indeed objectively true, and that mathematical entities are not constituents of the spatio-temporal realm.

The most common challenge to mathematical platonism argues that mathematical platonism requires an impenetrable metaphysical gap between mathematical entities and human beings. Yet an impenetrable metaphysical gap would make our ability to refer to, have knowledge of, or have justified beliefs concerning mathematical entities completely mysterious. Frege, Quine, and “full-blooded platonism” offer the three most promising responses to this challenge.

- http://www.iep.utm.edu/mathplat/

I am not a Platonist myself, but a formalist. I think math consists of sets of rules to different games and all of the moves that can be made in those games. I don't have enough mathematical training to really back that up however, just more of a gut feel.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Good point about the aliens, while we measure things in numbers what if Aliens measured shyt in like heat signatures or level of radioactive content?

And if they're more intelligent beings are they intelligent in the way we are, due to critical thinking or are they intelligent through tremendous instincts like Animals.

The world is a crazy place, and it's fun to think of this shyt. Like how organized ants are just off instincts.

Another question, does technology take us away from instincts.

 

[714562]

Math, like language, is a form of symbolic logic. Unlike language, however, math can only communicate in conditional statements. If x, then y is the same as saying that one side of an equation equals the other. So essentially, math is an advanced form of syllogism.

Language, on the other hand, can communicate in the imperative (!) and with questions (?)

 

[DANKTHRONE]

That is the Logicist view of mathematics. It doesn't work as presented by Russell and Frege because of Gödel's incompleteness theorems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[YouMadd?]

I had moments like this when I was a little kid and I would look in the mirror and have self-realizations.... Like "Im really a human person standing here right now looking at my self thinking about the fact that I am a human person standing here right now looking at myself thinking about...."

 

[promethius]

Great thread. I know exactly what you mean I've sat through many a math class in college and wondered the same thing. Stressing over a test or something. Its different than say biology or chemistry where your studying things that are physical and obeservable.

 

[blackzeus]

Nikkaz confusing themselves for no cotdamn reason. No, "1" doesn't exist, it is a object used to identify something, to quantify it, not much different than a name not having much meaning other than identifying a specific human being, i.e. Kenya Moore has no meaning outside of the person that name identifies. You could have changed 1 with a, and 2 with b, and it would have been the same thing, except with letters, not numbers. Clearly, you can can 1 + 1 = 2, because if you have 1 orange in a bag, and you put an additional orange in the bag, now you have 2. Relative to your frame of reference, math exists in clearly quantifiable terms.

 

[Drip Bayless]

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Man I be questioning this sh*t. It's hard to even fathom this. Various physicist have suggested that life is like a computer simulation. What happens in the Cosmo's is based off of random statistics. The whole intelligent design argument is severely flawed in various aspects.



I could go on & on, but there's clearly is a lot potential room job development in the science field.....

*Serious for President 2024*

You gonna run or what?