Rhyme 4 Rhyme
Pro
Nah man. From an impact standpoint, at the time, while LW put them on, HHNF certainly hit harder and was way more accclaimed. Regardless, both are great.
Nah man. From an impact standpoint, at the time, while LW put them on, HHNF certainly hit harder and was way more accclaimed. Regardless, both are great.
Rhyme 4 Rhyme
Pro
It was a record that many in the industry saw a classic and solidified both Push & Mal as two of the top in the game. While LW put them on, no one at the time, at least in the northeast, was calling that a classic record.
Tribal Outkast
Veteran
Lord Willin
Sure, it got rave reviews, but you're still not telling me impact. HHNF didn't solidify Pusha and Malice in the way Lord Willin did. And on top of that, Lord Willin showed another layer to The Neptunes. It was the other side of Virginia. Before Lord Willin nobody was talking about the grimey side of VA. "Grindin" and LW in general, is huge part of The Neptunes legacy.
The Jewnited States
Superstar
People are too busy talking about “impact” and everything around the music but not the music itself. Had HHNF dropped on time with the roll out it deserved it would have made a big impact I’m sure. The label fukked that all up
Music wise, HHNF is a classic, LW is close but there’s a few too many tracks that don’t hold up anymore or were obvious placate the label type tracks. HHNF is straight raw from start to finish. Cohesive, ambitious, top tier beats and rhymes, dope singles not pop singles. Yeah, Classic
Music wise, HHNF is a classic, LW is close but there’s a few too many tracks that don’t hold up anymore or were obvious placate the label type tracks. HHNF is straight raw from start to finish. Cohesive, ambitious, top tier beats and rhymes, dope singles not pop singles. Yeah, Classic
Both there albums were pretty good. Impact is something teens use on twitter.
This isn't about impact alone and even when people tried to come up with reasons why HHNF was classic, it was "Wayne, the label situation, and reviews". Meanwhile, I was listing specific songs and lyrics in addition to impact.
You're making up excuses. HHNF was highly anticipated because Lord Willin' was what it was. That was their entire buzz. HHNF was pushed back initially (before the label switch) because they failed to come up with a single to generate interest. The stakes were high. This is the group that made "Grindin". We're not talking about some syrupy, Pop record designed for chart dominance. We're talking about a massive street record that changed the game and happened to be a hit.
You got the hottest production team in music at that team producing your album and there's nothing making noise. This is even with them literally giving away hits.
HHNF has a few gaffes. Not every beat on either album is top tier, but LW has more top tier beats than HHNF. There's not one verse on HHNF that can compete with Malice's on "I'm Not You".
Rhyme 4 Rhyme
Pro
I wasn't saying HHNF was classic for those reasons. The album is considered classic for exactly what Jewnited States said above.
I'll agree that LW's highs are better but HHNF is better front to back, as a few people already said. Similar argument could be made with Piniata and Bandana.
If impact was a factor then that Cardi B album is a classic
Just off the music, yes absolutely and We Got it 4 Cheap Vol 2 is a tier zero mixtape
Nah production was much better on HHNF it was almost like some dark theme throughout and malice/push were better artists. HHNF is their clear classic.
Youseenmywork
KING
This song never gets it just due
Perfect way to end an album ...shyt sounding like southern blues
Take Roscoe P. Coldchain off of Chinese New Year and I'd give HHNF that classic status
Far as Lord Willin' goes, solid debut, but I'm hard-pressed to call it classic
Til The Casket Drops is aight
but that Re-up Gang run they had with Ab-Liva and Sandman? Classic mixtapes, undisputed
The talk surrounding HHNF was label politics and Pharrell going for a minimalist approach, which he achieved greatly, and it was big talk when XXL gave it XXL status, but classic albums birth lineages of styles and themes, both of which the Clipse ain't have much to show for. If any of y'all can mention some current rappers who shows reverence for Lord Willin' and HHNF I'll retract that assertion.
Far as Lord Willin' goes, solid debut, but I'm hard-pressed to call it classic
Til The Casket Drops is aight
but that Re-up Gang run they had with Ab-Liva and Sandman? Classic mixtapes, undisputed
The talk surrounding HHNF was label politics and Pharrell going for a minimalist approach, which he achieved greatly, and it was big talk when XXL gave it XXL status, but classic albums birth lineages of styles and themes, both of which the Clipse ain't have much to show for. If any of y'all can mention some current rappers who shows reverence for Lord Willin' and HHNF I'll retract that assertion.