Does the east stay weak because Lebron runs it?

[Professor Emeritus]

this Lebron dikkrider comparing the old players joining in one team to prime players in one team. what's next Malone, Payton with Kobe and Shaq ?

So Kobe and Gasol were past their prime in 2008?

And Pierce/Garnett/Ray were younger than Lebron is now and had four more years of all three making the All-star game when they joined in 2007.

The Coli, where Ray is singlehandedly credited with the 2013 championship but was just an "old guy" in 2007.

The Coli, where having Stockton and Hornacek at 35yo is proof that you're an epic opponent, but Pierce and Garnett at 30yo are just old guys past their prime.

I see u keep mentioning these names knowing damn well Bron didn't beat any of those guys in their primes. It's the same argument yall use when people bring up Birds Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, or the Lakers Jordan faced in the finals.

You 12 years old?

Sorry, but Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Kidd/Jefferson/Carter were ALL in their prime when Lebron beat them. The only one who was out of his prime was Sheed, and he had 2 of his 4 all-star appearances in '06 and' 08. Look that shyt up if you don't believe me because you're obviously too young to remember.

And would yall please just stop with the 2012 Boston series as some kind of barometer for James getting over the hump in the east. That Boston team was beyond washed by the time Bron beat them with his super team

Lebron got over the Celtics in 2011, not 2012. They had just been up 3-2 in the Finals barely 10 months earlier. All three of Pierce/Garnett/Ray were all-stars that year and Rondo was just entering his prime. They were one of the favorites to win the title that year and won 56 games. You gotta be stupid to call them "beyond washed".

LeBron broke through the east ONE TIME BEFORE HE JOINED THAT SUPER TEAM IN MIAMI.

When we refer to LeBron "running" the East we are SPECIFICALLY talking about the last 6 years. He wasn't running shyt b4 that. The east has been a disgrace this whole 6 year run LeBron has been on. He doesn't get credit for not having any competition

So ya'all can keep saying "17-23 against the West" and count Lebron's losses from 2007, but someone mentions the wins from that year and it "doesn't count".

I see how it is.

 

[LeMAO]

Variance in and of itself does not =better, certainly not waaaaaay better. The east had different squads making the Finals every year at the turn of the century while the Spurs and Lakers passed the West back and forth, was the east harder back then?

you do know that in the 2k era of Shaq and Kobe the real finals is the western conference finals
you can name best players and teams in the last 10 years you will picked mostly from the West


Here's a rundown of the head-to-head records for regular season games between the West and East. (The plus number represents games above .500 in cross-conference games.)

 

[MeachTheMonster]

ur comparing MVP candidates to that two Raptors ? i consider Kawhi an elite player he is an elite defender and a good scorer

You might have an argument for Kawhi, that's it.

Other than that, there's no one else.

 

[LeMAO]

You might have an argument for Kawhi, that's it.

Other than that, there's no one else.

well Westbrook is an elite stat padder and Harden is an elite at turnovers

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The popular narrative that the east is weak takes some goalpost moving, some ignorance of fact, and a lot of Lebron hate in order to keep repeating in 2017.

In realty east has been a bit more competitive in recent years, and both sides have one team that is far and away better than everybody else.

 

[LeMAO]

So Kobe and Gasol were past their prime in 2008?

And Pierce/Garnett/Ray were younger than Lebron is now and had four more years of all three making the All-star game when they joined in 2007.

The Coli, where Ray is singlehandedly credited with the 2013 championship but was just an "old guy" in 2007.

The Coli, where having Stockton and Hornacek at 35yo is proof that you're an epic opponent, but Pierce and Garnett at 30yo are just old guys past their prime.

so Kobe + Gasol was a superteam ? wow

so the Miami Heat never happened ? playing for 12 and 11 years then form the big three that won 1 championship was a superteam compared to 3 prime franchise players. ok i get it, now adding one piece of the Boston superteam to Miami is still not a superteam

 

[LeMAO]

You talking the team with Larry Hughes and Big Z as second options versus the team with Prime and future HOF Dwight and great shooters across the roster??

seriously ? don't try it to hard

 

[homiedontplaydat]

Can't believe ppl actually think the 2017 Cavs are a superteam? Their leader is rich Jefferson for fukk sake

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It would be different if there were different teams that made the Finals other than Lebron teams for a while. You've had 3 different West teams makes the finals during Bron's run making 6 straight out the east. That's what fukkin it up. Indy def gave Cleveland some comp, but they not ready for primetime and they about to be blown up. Then you got the Raptors who are straight up fakkits when it comes to Bron. At least the Wiz and Celts ain't scared and should give them comp.

Point is that the comp is indeed harder out West and the fact that different 4 different squads have made the finals from the west while Bron teams have gone to 6 straight says enough.

I specifically said the last 6 finals that Bron has made.

2011 - Dallas
2012 - OKC
2013/2014 - Spurs
2015/2016 - GSW

And no one said that the teams from the west are unbeatable. The point is that it's definitely a harder conference to win because the competition there is better. Bron has no comp in the East and this run proves it.

Sane person: "Bron's six-year run atop the East is a great run."


Other: "Nah, because no one else won the East during that time, so they must have sucked. I don't think you should count anyone Bron faces as good competition unless he loses."





Ya'all sound like those guys who spent five pages arguing that beating the 2016 Warriors wasn't impressive because the Warriors didn't win the title that year so they can't have been that good.

 

[Hollywood Co]

seriously ? don't try it to hard

Dwight in his prime was one of the best defensive players ever. You're telling on yourself right now.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Kind of. Or blame Eastern Conference front offices. A lot of teams and GMs seem to be willing to try and wait out Brons run rather than compete with it. They're screwed though because GSW's window will last longer than Cleveland's. They didn't see that one coming.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

so Kobe + Gasol was a superteam ? wow

so the Miami Heat never happened ? playing for 12 and 11 years then form the big three that won 1 championship was a superteam compared to 3 prime franchise players. ok i get it, now adding one piece of the Boston superteam to Miami is still not a superteam

Da fukk does that word salad have to do with what we were talking about? Who/what are you arguing?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Here's the issue with claiming the West is so much tougher.

Mavs were only a contender quality team in 2011, then they fell off.

Thunder were only a contender quality team in 2012, then they lost guys.

Spurs were only a contender quality team in 2013-2014, then they got old

Warriors were only a contender quality team in 2015-2017.

It wasn't like the West had multiple contenders at once ever, except in 2016. They had one clear alpha every year, just like the East. It's just that their alpha rotated, while Lebron always stayed on top.


If you want a fair comparison, switch the top two teams. Lebron's teams still beat the #2 in the West every year and you still would have had the same two teams in the Finals. fukk, there's a better chance the 2011 Mavs lose to the 61-win Bulls than that Lebron loses to any runner-up West team.

 

[HabitualChiller]

LeBron has a losing record in the Finals and two of his championships were decided in the last minute of Game 7 of the Finals. That's why we talk about how good the West is.

3 of those 4 finals losses weren't on him and he was the reason why his team won/stayed in the game of those 2 championships you mentioned, but sure. fukk it, it's on him that his team was severely outmatched/outmanned

 

[Bryan Danielson]

The east is considered weak because that's the only explanation LeBron haters have for why he runs the conference

He's the the reason why it's even remotely interesting

It'll be early 00's status when he retires

I don't get the complaints and hate Lebron gets and as I've asked in other threads.

Do cats really wanna go back to the era where the really championship was determined in the Western Conference Championship game as whoever won that series pretty much was garaunteed a ring? That Era where basically Lakers and Spurs where domininating the Finals and no eastern team was competitive or have a remotely close chance to win?

Again how boring would a Finals with GS/Spurs blowing out and sweeping Bucks, Raptors, Hawks, Wizard, Heat, Bulls be? Not sure sure Celtics could take them to 7 games.

Again when it comes down to the Finals, it's always best to see the (between 2 teams) too 5 star players go at the each other. No one wants to see one with top 5 players (Spurs-K. Leonard/GS-KD and Curry) go against squad with barely to non allstar players or players no higher than top 15



Martha