Does the east stay weak because Lebron runs it?

[Rekkapryde]

You do realise GS swept 2 teams as well.

The east weak shyt is getting played

It would be different if there were different teams that made the Finals other than Lebron teams for a while. You've had 3 different West teams makes the finals during Bron's run making 6 straight out the east. That's what fukkin it up. Indy def gave Cleveland some comp, but they not ready for primetime and they about to be blown up. Then you got the Raptors who are straight up fakkits when it comes to Bron. At least the Wiz and Celts ain't scared and should give them comp.

 

[FTBS]

2 and 3 are the biggest factor in the East being weak in my opinion. Most of the top players were drafted out West. The great players that ended up in the east were stuck with shytty GMs that had no clue how to build around them. So as a free agent unless you had a couple other free agents coming with you not many teams in the east were good enough for a top player from the west to come to in order to play in the weaker conference.

I do think that outside of maybe 1 or 2 years the West has been a lot stronger. I think if you take all outside of the worst 2-3 teams in the west if you drop any west team into the east and they'd be a playoff team. I also think most years the west has 4-5 championship contending teams while out east pretty much every year there's only been 1 or 2 teams that could be considered contenders. The West was usually a lot more top heavy.

How are we defining contender here?

People always do these gymnastics to try to make the West seem so much better. In the last 13 years you got 6 champs from the East and 7 from the West. If the West was really that much stronger then the Finals would be a forgone conclusion every year like it was at the turn of the century when you did indeed have 3 or 4 West teams better than the best East team. West has a stronger middle class but when it comes to contenders there are usually 3 at most in a given year. A lot of these West "contenders" are gimmicks or regular season squads that aren't really built for the playoffs or always hurt in the playoffs and belief perseverance and bias makes people keep pumping them up while ignoring these issues. If the Raptors got blown out at home in an elimination game with Bron not playing (after losing a close game that he missed the final minute and OT) every thread would be "Leastern Conference" or "Cake Walk" etc. Since it happened out West it's not reflection on the conference. When West squads run through the West with 3 or 4 or fewer Ls they are just that great. When East teams, that go on to win the chip, get pushed to 6 or 7 in the East people keep pushing the "cakewalk" stuff. Also we gotta make up our minds here. If the East is that weak and guys like Kyrie and Melo and Bosh in Toronto and Wade the 4 years before Bron arrived are so good, how are these cats missing the playoffs or first round fodder? A lot of intellectual dishonesty gets pushed and a lot of cognitive dissonance gets exposed in regards to this subject.

 

[FTBS]

It would be different if there were different teams that made the Finals other than Lebron teams for a while. You've had 3 different West teams makes the finals during Bron's run making 6 straight out the east. That's what fukkin it up. Indy def gave Cleveland some comp, but they not ready for primetime and they about to be blown up. Then you got the Raptors who are straight up fakkits when it comes to Bron. At least the Wiz and Celts ain't scared and should give them comp.

If OKC stayed healthy/didn't choke they would have made a comparable run. And it's not like these teams that do win the West are playing 7 game wars every round. West winners run through their conference with regularity.

 

[Rekkapryde]

If OKC stayed healthy/didn't choke they would have made a comparable run. And it's not like these teams that do win the West are playing 7 game wars every round. West winners run through their conference with regularity.

Point is that the comp is indeed harder out West and the fact that different 4 different squads have made the finals from the west while Bron teams have gone to 6 straight says enough.

 

[FTBS]

Point is that the comp is indeed harder out West and the fact that different 4 different squads have made the finals from the west while Bron teams have gone to 6 straight says enough.

Variance in and of itself does not =better, certainly not waaaaaay better. The east had different squads making the Finals every year at the turn of the century while the Spurs and Lakers passed the West back and forth, was the east harder back then?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Variance in and of itself does not =better, certainly not waaaaaay better. The east had different squads making the Finals every year at the turn of the century while the Spurs and Lakers passed the West back and forth, was the east harder back then?

We not talking the turn of the century, we talking NOW.

3 of the 4 west teams during Bron's 6 straight finals run have won the title so to compare that to the different east teams back then making the finals doesn't compare because those teams ain't win shyt

 

[Mad Good Dro]

Point is that the comp is indeed harder out West and the fact that different 4 different squads have made the finals from the west while Bron teams have gone to 6 straight says enough.

These last 5 years its been the same 2 teams from the west in the finals

The west still a juggernaut that any team can win the finals tho right?

 

[FTBS]

We not talking the turn of the century, we talking NOW.

3 of the 4 west teams during Bron's 6 straight finals run have won the title so to compare that to the different east teams back then making the finals doesn't compare because those teams ain't win shyt

No we are talking the criteria that you set forth. If it applies now then it applies then or any other time. Either variance proves something or it does not.

3 of the East teams have won in that time as well (6 out of the last 13). That suggests a more evenly matched league (at the top at least). If the Heat/Cavs had lost each of those Finals then yeah you could compare it to back then when the teams from the drastically inferior conference never won thusly demonstrating their drastic inferiority. You are sitting here saying that one conference is clearly better than the other just because they have different teams advancing to the Finals every year and batting .500 as opposed to one team doing the same in the other conference.

 

[Roman Brady]

No

It stays weak because Lebron runs to superteam after superteam in the east...

Can't believe ppl actually think the 2017 Cavs are a superteam? Their leader is rich Jefferson for fukk sake

 

[Hollywood Co]

How is Bron to blame for the East not being as talented as the teams he plays on?

Shift Bron out West to any current or past playoff roster and what do y'all think would happen is my question...

 

[Rekkapryde]

These last 5 years its been the same 2 teams from the west in the finals

The west still a juggernaut that any team can win the finals tho right?

I specifically said the last 6 finals that Bron has made.

2011 - Dallas
2012 - OKC
2013/2014 - Spurs
2015/2016 - GSW

And no one said that the teams from the west are unbeatable. The point is that it's definitely a harder conference to win because the competition there is better. Bron has no comp in the East and this run proves it.

 

[Rekkapryde]

How is Bron to blame for the East not being as talented as the teams he plays on?

Shift Bron out West to any current or past playoff roster and what do y'all think would happen is my question...

No one is "blaming" him. These other teams and more specifically the front offices are trash in the East. They need to step their game up.

 

[Rekkapryde]

No we are talking the criteria that you set forth. If it applies now then it applies then or any other time. Either variance proves something or it does not.

3 of the East teams have won in that time as well (6 out of the last 13). That suggests a more evenly matched league (at the top at least). If the Heat/Cavs had lost each of those Finals then yeah you could compare it to back then when the teams from the drastically inferior conference never won thusly demonstrating their drastic inferiority. You are sitting here saying that one conference is clearly better than the other just because they have different teams advancing to the Finals every year and batting .500 as opposed to one team doing the same.

We are talking SPECIFICALLY Bron's run the last 6 years of him making the Finals. Why we continue to move the goalposts?

 

[Hollywood Co]

No one is "blaming" him. These other teams and more specifically the front offices are trash in the East. They need to step their game up.

The point I'm trying to make is that Bron on pretty much any playoff team creates a gap in talent opposed to the teams he faces.

The whole league knows this which is why KD took his talents to Golden State.

Every team that has beat Bron has had a collection of future hall of famers on the roster. That's literally what it takes to beat this man and as you can see they're are hard to come by.

 

[FTBS]

We are talking SPECIFICALLY Bron's run the last 6 years of him making the Finals. Why we continue to move the goalposts?

You set forth a criteria. I challenged it by applying it to other instances, where it should apply if it's valid. It doesn't, therefore it isn't. That isn't moving goalposts. Moving goalposts if going from "different teams making the Finals proves the conference is harder" to "none of those different teams won shyt" when called on it.