Does the east stay weak because Lebron runs it?

[homiedontplaydat]

So Kobe and Gasol were past their prime in 2008?

And Pierce/Garnett/Ray were younger than Lebron is now and had four more years of all three making the All-star game when they joined in 2007.

The Coli, where Ray is singlehandedly credited with the 2013 championship but was just an "old guy" in 2007.

The Coli, where having Stockton and Hornacek at 35yo is proof that you're an epic opponent, but Pierce and Garnett at 30yo are just old guys past their prime.





You 12 years old?

Sorry, but Billups/Hamilton/Prince/Kidd/Jefferson/Carter were ALL in their prime when Lebron beat them. The only one who was out of his prime was Sheed, and he had 2 of his 4 all-star appearances in '06 and' 08. Look that shyt up if you don't believe me because you're obviously too young to remember.





Lebron got over the Celtics in 2011, not 2012. They had just been up 3-2 in the Finals barely 10 months earlier. All three of Pierce/Garnett/Ray were all-stars that year and Rondo was just entering his prime. They were one of the favorites to win the title that year and won 56 games. You gotta be stupid to call them "beyond washed".




So ya'all can keep saying "17-23 against the West" and count Lebron's losses from 2007, but someone mentions the wins from that year and it "doesn't count".

I see how it is.

Dude LeBron wasn't even in the league yet when that Nets team was in their prime(not that it mattered a washed Jason Kidd locked up Lebron in 2011 anyway )

The year the Pistons were at their max Bron didn't even make the playoffs

Bron only made the Eastern conference finals twice before he ran to Miami which shows how little of a factor he was in the east until he made his super team. He wasn't dominating those teams out east like that.

And that Boston team was washed, KG was hobbled, hell theyre big 3 had more years on them then than Lebron does now.

All this does is make the point that when Bron had competition in the east he barely won anything but now that their is no competition he's "dominating". Same with the West, he has competition there which is why his finals record is so shytty. Bron is the biggest frontrunner in league history

 

[FTBS]

you do know that in the 2k era of Shaq and Kobe the real finals is the western conference finals

Yeah that was my point.

 

[Draje]

Dude LeBron wasn't even in the league yet when that Nets team was in their prime(not that it mattered a washed Jason Kidd locked up Lebron in 2011 anyway )

The year the Pistons were at their max Bron didn't even make the playoffs

Bron only made the Eastern conference finals twice before he ran to Miami which shows how little of a factor he was in the east until he made his super team. He wasn't dominating those teams out east like that.

And that Boston team was washed, KG was hobbled, hell theyre big 3 had more years on them then than Lebron does now.

All this does is make the point that when Bron had competition in the east he barely won anything but now that their is no competition he's "dominating". Same with the West, he has competition there which is why his finals record is so shytty. Bron is the biggest frontrunner in league history

The fukk? Since Lebron was 22, the teams he was losing to in the East were the BEST teams in the East, the ones that typically went to the finals, and he was playing with SCRUBS and has one of the worst front offices in the league.

He was doing what Kobe, post Shaq, was doing, putting up amazing individual performances but simply didn't have the teammates to help him get over the hump. He was still looked at as the most talented and he was typically the best individual player in those series.

Was MJ not a factor in the East when the competition was high because he was getting washed before the ECF (Except for twice...like Lebron)?

 

[homiedontplaydat]

The fukk? Since Lebron was 22, the teams he was losing to in the East were the BEST teams in the East, the ones that typically went to the finals, and he was playing with SCRUBS and has oine of the worst front offices in the league.

He was doing what Kobe, post Shaq, was doing, putting up amazing individual performances but simply didn't have the teammates to help him get over the hump. He was still looked at as the most talented and he was typically the best individual player in those series.

Was MJ not a factor in the East when the competition was high because he was getting washed before the ECF (Except for twice...like Lebron)?

Dude Mike battled the Pistons 3 straight years in the Eastern Conference finals before he won his title, that's what u call getting over the hump against a superior team in ur conference. The Bulls were RIGHT THERE going against the Pistons during their championship run. Other than 2007 it was a combination of Boston, Indiana and Miami challenging the Pistons when they were in their prime during Brons 1st stint in cleveland .

Basically Bron had one good run in the East before he tucked his tail and ran to Miami. Once Jordan got to the top of the East HE STAYED THERE. Bron never even went to back to back Eastern conference finals until he made his super team in Miami

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dude LeBron wasn't even in the league yet when that Nets team was in their prime

So you are going to agree with him and claim that Vince Carter (All star going 25-6-5 at 30yo), Jason Kidd (All-star going 13-8-9 at 33yo), and Richard Jefferson (16-4-3 at 26yo) were all past their prime in 2006-07? When da fukk was their prime then and what did they average in it?

We're not talking about that shytty 2002 Nets team that Kidd carried through an awful East. The Carter-Kidd-Jefferson Nets were a different team with stars in their prime who had to deal with an East that had a lot of teams who could win games.

The year the Pistons were at their max Bron didn't even make the playoffs

Are we talking only about their very best year or their full prime?

When the hell do you think Chauncey, Rip, and Tayshun were each in their prime? How would it not include 2007?

And Sheed wasn't prime Sheed in 2007, but half his career all-star games were 2006 and 2008, so he wasn't all that far off.

Bron only made the Eastern conference finals twice before he ran to Miami which shows how little of a factor he was in the east until he made his super team.

Besides the 2007 and 2009 runs, he took a stacked Pistons team to 7 in 2006 despite Brown shaving points every time he put Hughes in the game (Cavs were 0-4 with Hughes and 3-0 without him in that series), and he took a stacked Boston team to the last minute of Game 7 in 2008. You have to be a 12-year-old to claim Lebron wasn't a factor in the East every fukking year from 2006-2010. He was either the East champ or only 1-2 games away from it every single year. Change 1-2 plays each in just 1 game in 2006, 2008, and 2009, and it's possible Lebron goes to four straight Finals.

And that Boston team was washed, KG was hobbled, hell theyre big 3 had more years on them then than Lebron does now.

You realize we're talking about 2011, the year all three of them made the All-star game just like they did every year, right? Lebron in his 14th year with more miles in 14 than anyone in history, PP/Ray/KG were at 13th/15th/16th. They weren't prime, but sure as hell weren't washed. Just 11 months earlier they had been 1 rebound away from the title even with Perkins going out while they were up 3-2. A lot of people still had them to win in 2011.

All this does is make the point that when Bron had competition in the east he barely won anything but now that their is no competition he's "dominating". Same with the West, he has competition there which is why his finals record is so shytty. Bron is the biggest frontrunner in league history

What da fukk does "frontrunner" even mean to you? How do you see the 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, and 2016 postseasons and call Lebron a "frontrunner"?

Lebron only won the ECF once in 2006-2010 (though he came extremely close three other times) because his top sidekicks during each of those years, in order, were:

2006: Larry Hughes (basically cost you points whenever on the floor)

2007: Boobie Gibson (20yo D-leaguer)

2008: Delonte West (11-3-3 guy)

2009: Mo Williams (6'1" SG whose career peak should have been 6th man)

2010: Elderly Shaq (12 and 7 in the regular season)


And on top of that, his coach was Mike Brown.

Those AWFUL teams is why Lebron stayed a couple plays from breaking through most years, not because the East was too stacked. Give Lebron just ONE league-average guard in 2006, just ONE competent 6th-man in 2008, or just ONE guy who could guard any of Turkoglu or Rashard or Howard in 2009, and Cavs would have pulled through.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

So you are going to agree with him and claim that Vince Carter (All star going 25-6-5 at 30yo), Jason Kidd (All-star going 13-8-9 at 33yo), and Richard Jefferson (16-4-3 at 26yo) were all past their prime in 2006-07? When da fukk was their prime then and what did they average in it?

We're not talking about that shytty 2002 Nets team that Kidd carried through an awful East. The Carter-Kidd-Jefferson Nets were a different team with stars in their prime who had to deal with an East that had a lot of teams who could win games.





Are we talking only about their very best year or their full prime?

When the hell do you think Chauncey, Rip, and Tayshun were each in their prime? How would it not include 2007?

And Sheed wasn't prime Sheed in 2007, but half his career all-star games were 2006 and 2008, so he wasn't all that far off.





Besides the 2007 and 2009 runs, he took a stacked Pistons team to 7 in 2006 despite Brown shaving points every time he put Hughes in the game (Cavs were 0-4 with Hughes and 3-0 without him in that series), and he took a stacked Boston team to the last minute of Game 7 in 2008. You have to be a 12-year-old to claim Lebron wasn't a factor in the East every fukking year from 2006-2010. He was either the East champ or only 1-2 games away from it every single year. Change 1-2 plays each in just 1 game in 2006, 2008, and 2009, and it's possible Lebron goes to four straight Finals.





You realize we're talking about 2011, the year all three of them made the All-star game just like they did every year, right? Lebron in his 14th year with more miles in 14 than anyone in history, PP/Ray/KG were at 13th/15th/16th. They weren't prime, but sure as hell weren't washed. Just 11 months earlier they had been 1 rebound away from the title even with Perkins going out while they were up 3-2. A lot of people still had them to win in 2011.





What da fukk does "frontrunner" even mean to you? How do you see the 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, and 2016 postseasons and call Lebron a "frontrunner"?

Lebron only won the ECF once in 2006-2010 (though he came extremely close three other times) because his top sidekicks during each of those years, in order, were:

2006: Larry Hughes (basically cost you points whenever on the floor)

2007: Boobie Gibson (20yo D-leaguer)

2008: Delonte West (11-3-3 guy)

2009: Mo Williams (6'1" SG whose career peak should have been 6th man)

2010: Elderly Shaq (12 and 7 in the regular season)


And on top of that, his coach was Mike Brown.

Those AWFUL teams is why Lebron stayed a couple plays from breaking through most years, not because the East was too stacked. Give Lebron just ONE league-average guard in 2006, just ONE competent 6th-man in 2008, or just ONE guy who could guard any of Turkoglu or Rashard or Howard in 2009, and Cavs would have pulled through.

The Nets run in the east was pretty much done once LeBron came into the league. Even still they were a helluva lot more competition than what he has now..much like all those other teams you been naming that beat his ass

Look dude I'm done with this titangraph battle. Your posts are pretty much proving that the CURRENT EAST is weak as hell compared to what it was pre super team Lebron. This is the reason Bron dominates the east today

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dude Mike battled the Pistons 3 straight years in the Eastern Conference finals before he won his title, that's what u call getting over the hump against a superior team in ur conference. The Bulls were RIGHT THERE going against the Pistons during their championship run. Other than 2007 it was a combination of Boston, Indiana and Miami challenging the Pistons when they were in their prime during Brons 1st stint in cleveland .

Basically Bron had one good run in the East before he tucked his tail and ran to Miami. Once Jordan got to the top of the East HE STAYED THERE. Bron never even went to back to back Eastern conference finals until he made his super team in Miami

You don't know what da fukk you are talking about.

In Jordan's five years before he broke through (by getting HOF Scottie and HOF Phil and having six new expansion teams water the fukk out of the league at the same time the Pistons declined) he only won 5 playoff series in the East. Got swept twice and lost in 5 in the semis. 23-26 record.

In Lebron's five years before he broke through, he won 8 playoff series in the East. Never once lost an East series in less than six games. 42-25 record.

You're actually trying to say that 23-26 is more competitive than 42-25.



Lebron was more consistently dangerous from 2006-2010 than Jordan was from 1986-1990. This isn't even close to debatable. Lebron took the top dawg to 6-7 every year, Jordan only did it twice.

 

[Shutdown10]

Do y'all realize that he never faced Wade in the playoffs?

This! People don't understand that we were cheated out a potential rivalry for the ages if Bron would have went to NY to team up with Amare or stayed in Cleveland and got some one to come there. That Wade/Bosh or Lebron/Amare would have been one for the ages. There would have been no complaints about the East being weak or non competitive. It probably would have allowed other teams to make smarter solid moves in the East to counter that and not just tank or wave the white flag route.

 

[nieman]

This! People don't understand that we were cheated out a potential rivalry for the ages if Bron would have went to NY to team up with Amare or stayed in Cleveland and got some one to come there. That Wade/Bosh or Lebron/Amare would have been one for the ages. There would have been no complaints about the East being weak or non competitive. It probably would have allowed other teams to make smarter solid moves in the East to counter that and not just tank or wave the white flag route.

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And to add on, I don't think he's ever faced Bosh either. So as far as his peers he's faced Dwight once, and Melo once with Heat. He's lost to vet teams, as he should have. He's supposed to lose to 10-12yr vets. but we were robbed of Lebron & his squad vs Wade & his squad, vs Melo & his squad, vs Dwight with his team, vs Bosh and his squad...those should've been our battles fr a good 3-4 years

 

[Raw Lyrics]

LeBron has a losing record in the Finals and two of his championships were decided in the last minute of Game 7 of the Finals. That's why we talk about how good the West is.

So you just gonna come into a coli thread with actual facts, huh?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This! People don't understand that we were cheated out a potential rivalry for the ages if Bron would have went to NY to team up with Amare or stayed in Cleveland and got some one to come there. That Wade/Bosh or Lebron/Amare would have been one for the ages. There would have been no complaints about the East being weak or non competitive. It probably would have allowed other teams to make smarter solid moves in the East to counter that and not just tank or wave the white flag route.

You're demanding that Lebron play for one of the two worst-run franchises in the NBA at that time, just so he can "have a good rivalry"?

This was the Cleveland team that let Boozer walk away for nothing after Lebron's rookie year. Who couldn't find a better coach for him than Mike Brown. Whose only free agent acquisitions during Lebron's first five years were Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes. Who wasted their first-round draft picks on Luke Jackson (#10), Shannon Brown (#25, waived him), J.J. Hickson (#19), and Christian Eyenga (#30). Whose biggest free agent signing in the two years after Lebron singlehandedly dragged them to the Finals was....Mo Williams. And who, in a last act of desperation, decided that 33yo Jamison and 38yo Shaq is what Lebron needed to break through against Rondo-Pierce-Ray-Garnett.

He had SEVEN YEARS of watching Cleveland not do shyt to help him. Seven years and their most helpful free agent was....Mo Williams? Their best draft pick was....J.J. Hickson? You just want to "believe" that they'll start acting smarter?

Hell, even after he left and let them eat with four straight top-5 draft picks, they used two of those picks on Dion Waiters and Anthony Bennett.


And think that the Knicks are going to be competent.


If he really wanted to just run shyt, he would have gone to Chicago. D-Rose, Bogans, Deng, Lebron, Noah with a Thibs scheme, then you have Korver, Taj Gibson, Brewer, Omer Asik, and Kurt Thomas on the bench.

You're taking a team that already had the top defense in the NBA, and replacing their worst defender (Boozer) with a DPOY candidate AND suddenly making their offense twice as good. That team was a hell of a lot more complete and had a lot more pieces than the Heat did. They would have ran things.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

It's the other way around, it's LeHoe who avoided the west because he knows the east is hot and guaratees him an easy trip to the finals every season.

He's 17-23 against the west in the playoffs.That just shows you how trash the east really is

Can LeHoe's stans explain why his playoff record against east and west is so different?

so you're talking about his finals recordas a way to shyt on him?

think about what youre saying breh....

 

[ajnapoleon]

You don't remember when this dude finally beat Boston he broke down on the court and had a moment. Like dude I don't see a Cleveland jersey on you. Next it took you to go to Miami and team up with Wade and Bosh in Miami to beat those dusted dudes. That whole display from him was shameful.

how could he beat that team with just mo Williams

I remember Lebron switching from
KG
PP
to chasing ray then rondo

because his teammates was getting killed head to head on top of having the greatest interviewer of all Time mike "give it to Lebron" brown

on top of Lebron having to out up god level scoring


how in the world he was supposed to beat them please someone tell me


oh I get it 7 years was not enough time give them 15 years to find someone that can create their own shot

 

[ajnapoleon]

so you're talking about his finals recordas a way to shyt on him?

think about what youre saying breh....

these are the same people that say you not a legend or your rings don't count if you don't win a ring for the team that drafted you and your rings don't mean shyt if you don't win atlas one for Cleveland



goal post move as soon as he gets to the 5 yard line

 

[ajnapoleon]

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And to add on, I don't think he's ever faced Bosh either. So as far as his peers he's faced Dwight once, and Melo once with Heat. He's lost to vet teams, as he should have. He's supposed to lose to 10-12yr vets. but we were robbed of Lebron & his squad vs Wade & his squad, vs Melo & his squad, vs Dwight with his team, vs Bosh and his squad...those should've been our battles fr a good 3-4 years

and whoever comes out of those would get beat bey a better built team with better coaches while you shyt on players that don't win the title see how that goes



you cant win if your FO is trash why is that so hard to understand



damn give Lebron Eddie jones and thats the best player he would have those 7 years

and Kobe was on the bench behind him


damn its crazy people think your suppose to win multiple titles with shyt players and coaches