Does the South's reign in rap have more to do with the culture of the USA than the culture of NY?

[Unknown Poster]

It's because black culture is stronger in the south. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Well the majority of black people in America live in the South so that pretty much adds to your point.

 

[Piff Perkins]

NY was never really melodic. When you look back most east coast radio songs in the mid/late 90s and 00s had an r&b chick on the hook, and the verses were standard NY rapping. That shyt is just not popping now and NY never figured out how to do something different.

Melody rules now. J Cole is basically what NY needs in an artist: someone who can rappity rap and also has some melody. I'm not a Cole fan, just using him as an example.

The other major NY problem is production. There are no great young NY producers right now doing their own thing. ATL and the west coast are dominating production wise now while NY producers keep trying to do soul samples.

 

[Paradise50]

NYC hasn't been cool since the mid 2000s


NYC folks never liked change so when things started changing culturally they were . From music to fashion the nyc hiphop heads threw hate when it first started happening. I mean now they jock it but it's too late now


no beef fellow nyc coli brethren


Dipset/Roc/Bad Boy/RR era will always be to me.



I know I'll take heat for this but I'm only speaking specifically for NC since I witnessed it first hand in college. But them DMV mogs had a lot of influence w/ the transition of overly baggy clothes to more fitted in the south.




So many DMV come down south for school period so if I saw it happen at mines I know it happened in other areas down here.

 

[ManBearPig]

Just enjoy the music. I don't think it's about regions anymore

 

[H.I.M.]

NY hip-hop came out the PJ's/ghettos of NY...black communities...don't assign shyt that black folks created in their own neighborhood's as being apart of some broad, all-encompassing NY culture...black NY'ers have more in common culturally and a shared history, life experiences and lineage with other black folks in places like Little Rock, ATL, NO, Memphis, Birmingham, Jacksonville etc. than cac/non-black NY'ers that live minutes away from their neighborhood's...only difference is accent, slang and style of dress....at our core, we're the exact same people.

 

[Big Mel]

NY was never really melodic. When you look back most east coast radio songs in the mid/late 90s and 00s had an r&b chick on the hook, and the verses were standard NY rapping. That shyt is just not popping now and NY never figured out how to do something different.

Melody rules now. J Cole is basically what NY needs in an artist: someone who can rappity rap and also has some melody. I'm not a Cole fan, just using him as an example.

The other major NY problem is production. There are no great young NY producers right now doing their own thing. ATL and the west coast are dominating production wise now while NY producers keep trying to do soul samples.

I would punch you in your face.

 

[Jemmy]

It's because black culture is stronger in the south. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Majority of Black American NYers come from the South anyway if not all.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It reminds me of that scene in Hustle and Flow where that white dude said that southern hip hop was the blues coming back home

This

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

CAR CULTURE
CAR CULTURE
CAR CULTURE.

New York rappers made headphone music for train rides. Most other people make bass music for car rides.
Chanting is easier to understand and repeat. Repetition/Call and response is African tradition...Heavy bass...call and response...like early NY hip hop...NYC always changes, a lot of other places stay how they are.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Sampling laws really don't mean shyt.
All of the classic southern albums were sample heavy, and early 2000s NYC rap was Swizzed out. Keyboard beats.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Little known secret: Southern artists do not live in NY and can't really "get to" label employees, etc. They are more cooperative (on a slave/label) level despite the hype about independence. Early on, labels would sign them to rape deals because they weren't as familiar with the terrain. NY artists have had more access to that system from the inside and tend to practice forms of nepotism/favoritism when they get in. Southerners followed suit but for less $$$ initially...since they didn't know better.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

It's the rap version of hiring mexicans to do your work when the skilled black men want more money.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

I would say the major labels like Def Jam for example and it's flagship artists were used as/facilitated the transition. From song structure, content, rollout.

Artists made sugary summer anthems and the culture internalized that wave, making it the new norm.

That allowed artists to just focus on chorus melody, and opened the floodgates for lyrically deficient artists from all over to get on by just having a catchy record.

Gradually lyricism declined as a result cause it was no longer of prime importance, whereas with original hiphop the whole verse was the hook.

Up north is industrial by design, so the people refect that, and Down South is more laid back and it's people reflect that, so the change "stuck" in the south harder than it did in the north cause it lent itself more to down south energy. On top of that the major labels switched up and started signing more country artists. I think it was a deliberate shut out. It ain't like NY artists just abandoned the genre or young generations stopped trying to get on

 

[DirtyHarryPurtyLarry]

Majority of Black American NYers come from the South anyway if not all.

here we go again.

Majority come from the Caribbean, then local, then the south

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Yes,as GOATAVELI put it,"THIS Is the lifestyle most lived by the most mother fukkers"