Dominican Republic "official" thread

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Charge them out-of-state fees like you know who.

 

[Liu Kang]

you martiniquan breh? I found out recently my moms heritage originally came from there I have no idea about the culture tho I just know them and gudeloupe are french territories

Yup. You speak French a little or nah ?

 

[theworldismine13]

It's called xenophobia, so should my country as well as other carribbean nations which are primarily black kick out all the Dominicans

Yeah you should

 

[Cuban Pete]

Yup. You speak French a little or nah ?

nope but all my government names are french and Im learning it thru duolingo and my pronounciations come easy and I actually really want to go my ex is haitian and she wanted to go to guadeloupe to vacation I just want to know what martinique itself is like cuz I wanna see if I can find any distant cousins, could u put me on game really quick?

 

[theworldismine13]

A similar problem is happening on French overseas soil with the Mayotte / The Comoros situation.

Mayotte is a "french" territory though it is part of the Comoro Islands. It is considered a wealthy country regarding the whole economy of the Comoro Islands which is pretty poor. Because of that there is a massive "illegal" immigration from The Comoros who seek french citizenship (and the benefits of it logically) by having kids on the Mayotte territory. It is both a case of life and death and cynicism because migrants from the Comoros really only seek to have a kid born on Mayotte (a part of those women are already pregnant when they come to Mayotte) soil so the kid can be French and have an education, a proper health system and mostly a better future. Mayotte people argue that this uncontrolled immigration is making crime rise and breaking the health system and making education harder for their kids because there are two many pupils then.

This is the reason there have been rallies and demonstrations in the last couple of years from Mayotte people to revoke the birth-right citizenship because of that.
It is said that Mayotte has like :
- 200K inhabitants
- 60K of them are from the Comorros (30%)
- 80% of the Comoros migrants are supposedly illegals which makes it 50K, aka 25% of Mayotte.

The birth-right citizenship which is a basic law in democratic countries and therefore in France can't be realistically overturned there because Mayotte is part of France. But it is true that the balance on those little islands welcoming illegals is greatly broken by those huge influx and inhabitants there voiced their discontent often (which seems to be the same with Dominicans and Bahamans).

Mayotte has a complex history (which I don't know the details of) because there are different ethnicities that lives in different Islands (it's always complex wherever this happens) but I don't know the specifics unfortunately. But when decolonization came in the 60s, Mayotte chose to remain French while other islands chose independence : the Comoros wanted Mayotte to be independent too considering that until then, many of the Mayotte people were (forced to) working there in the capital of the Islands. That led to deprive Mayotte of its male workforce and putting it into misery (from what I read) but Mayotte women wanted their men back (and others things) and chose to remain French because of that. And this is when the (current) issue between the islands started because the Comoros since then has known political instability, poverty and other difficulties while by remaining French, Mayotte experienced better times.


Regarding the Haitian people, there is also an immigration from them to other French overseas islands such as Guadeloupe and Martinique. And there were always badly seen by the inhabitants here (because of them being most of the time illegals, sometimes because they are seen as "less civilized" (for lack of better wording) and also because of their Voodoo, considering Guadeloupe and Martinique are deeply Christian places). I remember a guy named Ibo Simon who was an anchor and was making very anti-Haitian speeches live on TV when I was there. And that was like 15 years ago.

Interesting but I'm not following how that is an argument for illegal immigration

If people are illegal they should go back

 

[Mook]

if they there illegally yea kick em out. i got family members that been deported from the US before we take it in stride. shyt my grandparents were here since the late 60s with false names.

Well your grandparents are stupid cause there was amnesty in 1986.

They also took citizenship for anyone born to non dominican parents no matter what year they were born. Theres 50 - 90 year olds out there with no country now. But you probably didnt read that cause you're a racist

 

[beanz]

Well your grandparents are stupid cause there was amnesty in 1986.

They also took citizenship for anyone born to non dominican parents no matter what year they were born. Theres 50 - 90 year olds out there with no country now. But you probably didnt read that cause you're a racist

1. i said they were here with false names but they longer are. they are both legit now.
2.

honestly im torn tho. i think its fukked up to deny citizenship to people that were actually born there no matter what, but sometimes hard unpopular decisions have to be made. my pops be going hard on his fb defending the haitians born in DR from people who support denying them citizenship so i get to see both sides of the argument daily.

3. im not a racist but i dont give a fukk if u think i am so suck a dikk

 

[Mook]

1. i said they were here with false names but they longer are. they are both legit now.
2.



3. im not a racist but i dont give a fukk if u think i am so suck a dikk

If you werent a racist youd give a fukk what i thought so i wont tarnish your good non racist name. But you ARE a racist

 

[beanz]

If you werent a racist youd give a fukk what i thought so i wont tarnish your good non racist name. But you ARE a racist

tarnish my screename on thecoli.com? u really think i give a fukk? im on here to kill time at work. i dont post friday to sunday because those are my days off and im living my life. i dont give a fukk what my reputation on a forum is dude.

tarnish away .

 

[Liu Kang]

Interesting but I'm not following how that is an argument for illegal immigration

If people are illegal they should go back

This was not an argument. My first sentence was "A similar problem is happening on French overseas soil with the Mayotte / The Comoros situation.", I was simply shedding some light on a similar issue.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Most countries don't allow for birthright citizenship.

Its like that for the British overseas territories in the Caribbean. You have to live in the territory for 18 years before you can obtain citizenship. There is a quite a few people who were born in those countries that don't have citizenship.

 

[Serious]

Its like that for the British overseas territories in the Caribbean. You have to live in the territory for 18 years before you can obtain citizenship. There is a quite a few people who were born in those countries that don't have citizenship.

yeah? My two other passports say otherwise

 

[GreatestLaker]

yeah? My two other passports say otherwise

You think you're the only one with dual citizenship, little nikka?

Its a fact if you don't have a parent from those countries you aren't getting citizenship until you're 18.

 

[Liu Kang]

nope but all my government names are french and Im learning it thru duolingo and my pronounciations come easy and I actually really want to go my ex is haitian and she wanted to go to guadeloupe to vacation I just want to know what martinique itself is like cuz I wanna see if I can find any distant cousins, could u put me on game really quick?

I wanted to PM you but I'll write it here because people may be interested also. I'm both guadeloupean and martinican and unfortunately my martinican side is thinner (culture wise) but I can tell you some stuff and give you some links no problem.

So Martinique is a french territory since the mid 1600s (supposedly discover by Colombus in the 1500s...) and became a french overseas department just after WWII. It's called a "DOM" (Département d'Outre-Mer) and its area code is 972 (Guadeloupe is 971, French Guyana is 973, La Réunion is 974 and so on). The "97-" representing the overseas territories. Martinique's name is Madinina which name the Flower Island.

Martinique and Guadeloupe are close islands, identity wise, who share a similar history but have some sort of antagonism (same as Tunisia and Morocco for example). They have the same number of inhabitants (a little less than 400K), a similar climate, a similar creole (though there are differences which both my mom and pop always (gently) argue about), a similar culture (music mostly but also in art and in food). Culturally speaking, the youth is very close to Jamaica (dancehall and reggae are heavy) and also in the lingo and the clothing. Both islands thrive off the sugar cane, bananas, rum and tourism industry and are both deeply christian territories. Weather wise, it is the same as Jamaica for example and the Islands are sometimes hit by hurricanes (we call them "cyclone" in French) thought the most powerful ones only happen every 25 years or so (last huge on Guadeloupe was Hugo in 1989 though the last "small" one was in 2014 and named Gonzalo). Wholly, both islands are like every other islands, sun and heat, important humidity, pretty beaches (), exotic fruits, plants and wilderness, volcanoes, hurricanes, rum and so on.

They both, historically speaking have an important presence of békés who are the names given to the descendants of White plantation owners who are fully integrated to the islands culture but have some kind of "slave master" heritage... Said békés who often hold important jobs.

Where both kinda clash is their "Africanity". Guadeloupeans (and I play the caricature there) are often "darker" than Martinicans which always led to the former criticizing the latter's "Europeanness" and in revenge Guadeloupeans were seen as "more savage" than Martinicans. The reason comes from the slave history. All the Caribbean islands are places heavily populated with slave descendants but also from merchants and people. There's a lot of mixing there, which in France is called "métissage", therefore caribean people are often called "métis" or "métisses". A métis(se) is not necessarily mixed/biracial (as Americans says it), it's somebody whose ancestry is a melting pot and whose complexion vary from super lightskin to super darkskin though darkskin people are less likely to be called a métis because "métis" is also a "brownish" complexion

Martinique's first slave population was already heavily métissée ("mixed") and had more Europeans and Indian ancestry while Guadeloupean had less métisses and more Africans. This led to this difference in complexion in the islands and to the darker/african traits of Guadeloupeans compared to the lighter/indian métis traits of Martinicans that still exist today overall (there are lightskinned Guadeloupeans and darkskinned Martinicans obviously, it's just that the myth is lightskin = Martinicans and darkskin = Guadeloupeans). It's a friendly clash mostly because both Islands live well together and many couples are mixed between both (my example) but it's the basis of the antagonism between both sister islands. That Europeanness is also reinforced by the fact that Napoleon's wife was Jospéhine de Beauharnais which was the daughter of a Martinican plantation owner(white obviously) and who then became empress. Here, crowned by Napoleon in this known David painting.

And because of that Martinique was often seen as being favored by the métropole (the "very" France, ie the one in the Europe continent) while Guadeloupe was left behind because it was supposedly "blacker". That may also be because Martinique had more resources and more wealth though.

Today, both islands economy are both struggling because the tourism industry got hit hard by the huge rallies in 2009 which paralyzed both islands, also because the banana and cane industries aren't competitive enough. Therefore the GNP per capita there is 60% the one of the métropole, global unemployment is around 20% (almost 40 for the youth under 25 !) while in the métropole it is less than 10%. So it is then obvious that crime/murder rate are (unfortunately) the highest in the whole France (overseas and métropole) also because of :
- illegal immigration from Haiti mostly but also from Dominicans (...)
- drugs (crack is heavy in some poor areas) and alcohol (rum is cheap) consumption
- drug trafficking considering Carribeans is a hub and Guadeloupe and Martinique aren't immune to the issue.
- weapons being less regulated in the Islands than in the métropole. Coutlas (machetes used to cut the sugar cane, coconuts etc.) are owned by almost everybody and firearms are also more present.

You may want to know more but if you really want to learn you may need to improve your French
You seem to live in Miami so you might be close to Haitians (or be Haitian yourself) and speak the créole (even if Haitian and Guadeloupean/Martinican creole have differences) so you may be able to read some res sources in créole but most of it, if you want, is in French. I could link you some documentaries but it ay be useless if you don't know the language

 

[Serious]

You think you're the only one with dual citizenship, little nikka?

Its a fact if you don't have a parent from those countries you aren't getting citizenship until you're 18.

actually it's tri

when you factor in the uk as well