Dominican Republic "official" thread

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All y'all speaking on Haitians needing to 'go back' take your privileged asses to Haiti and live there for a while. My family is from there and it is a beautiful island with great people in it but it can also be very dangerous and some people just sought to get away from the dictatorships, kidnappings, etc. Look up the Tonton Macoutes. It's easy to be dismissive of people coming places illegally who are just in search of a better life while you're living in good old rosy United States of America, the 'promised land' that is so ubiquitously advertised :pacspit:. People have lost their homes due to natural disasters (tropical storms, earthquakes)...

The Dominican Republic has been doing some fukked up shyt

i think its totally understandable why hatians are moving to other places, but i think its totally understandable why nations dont want people flooding into their country

and if people move to another country illegally the country has the right to kick em out
 

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My issue with the policy is that if they were worried about over population and protecting the border I understand. DR is a poor small country and possibly can't support the level of migration that have come across their borders. However, to deport people who have been here living in the country for generations is deplorable and that's the aspect of this that reeks of racism. They could have applied to migrants going forward while allowing current citizens to remain citizens in the country. The fact that their deporting people who have lived and grown up in the DR their whole lives is unnecessary and most definitely has a racial tinge to it. I'm Dominican-American so I know firsthand about the innnate racism Dominicans have towards hatians and the African side of their heritage. And those saying that their just enforcing a law that was never enforced. DR's had a history of looking the other way on several policies. Former president Balaguer used to say "the constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper". Hatians are being used as a scapegoat for a government that for generations has been completely corrupt and have repeatedly sold out its citizens to appease rich western countries.

when i was in DR this past summer i had a conversation about this with my cousin who happens to be a french professor at a university out there i forget which. i asked him straight up "do u feel like dominicans hate their african side?" and he said that many do. he said the problem is that the history of our african heritage isnt taught until people are well into high school and college. if u pay attention, most of the dominicans that feel that way either didnt finish high school or are the children of dominicans who didnt. its based purely off ignorance. we dominican americans come here and we know better because here its taught since like 4th grade. but over there education is miles behind where it should be. my point being i wouldnt call it "innate" because that suggests that we are just inherently racist towards our african side. its just a lack of education on that subject.
 

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when i was in DR this past summer i had a conversation about this with my cousin who happens to be a french professor at a university out there i forget which. i asked him straight up "do u feel like dominicans hate their african side?" and he said that many do. he said the problem is that the history of our african heritage isnt taught until people are well into high school and college. if u pay attention, most of the dominicans that feel that way either didnt finish high school or are the children of dominicans who didnt. its based purely off ignorance. we dominican americans come here and we know better because here its taught since like 4th grade. but over there education is miles behind where it should be. my point being i wouldnt call it "innate" because that suggests that we are just inherently racist towards our african side. its just a lack of education on that subject.

DR needs a Malcolm X.
 

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when i was in DR this past summer i had a conversation about this with my cousin who happens to be a french professor at a university out there i forget which. i asked him straight up "do u feel like dominicans hate their african side?" and he said that many do. he said the problem is that the history of our african heritage isnt taught until people are well into high school and college. if u pay attention, most of the dominicans that feel that way either didnt finish high school or are the children of dominicans who didnt. its based purely off ignorance. we dominican americans come here and we know better because here its taught since like 4th grade. but over there education is miles behind where it should be. my point being i wouldnt call it "innate" because that suggests that we are just inherently racist towards our african side. its just a lack of education on that subject.

That's an interesting point. I just looked at a couple of different websites, for every 1,000 Dominicans that enter the first grade only about 250 graduate high school.
 

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Haitian man apparently lynched in Dominican city amid rising tensions
Police dismissed racial motivation, but analysts said anti-Haitian sentiment is on the rise in the Caribbean nation

February 12, 2015 5:12PM ET
by Renee Lewis

The apparent lynching of a Haitian man in the Dominican Republic could add “more fuel to the fire” amid rising tensions between the two Caribbean nations, analysts said.

“Right now, whether this murder was racially motivated or not, whether it was a lynching or a personal vendetta, it doesn’t matter much at this point,” said Ernesto Sagas, associate professor in the ethnic studies department of Colorado State University and author of "Race and Politics in the Dominican Republic."

“It comes at a very unfortunate moment because tensions are particularly high when it comes to the presence of Haitian workers in Dominican Republic, so this is adding more fuel to the fire,” Sagas told Al Jazeera.

Dominican authorities retrieved the body of the victim, identified by local media only as “Tulile” on Wednesday, after he was found hanged in Santiago’s Ercilla Pepin Park. He was discovered dangling from a tree with his hands and feet bound, Dominican Today reported, and worked in the park shining shoes.

Police quickly ruled out racism in the death of the Haitian man, according to local media. Instead, they said that the crime’s motive was to steal money from the man, who apparently had won $130.00 from a lottery ticket.

“For the Dominican authorities to rule out racism as a factor less than 24 hours after a man of Haitian descent was hanged in a public space is not just irresponsible policing, it is an outrageous example of discrimination endemic to the Dominican Republic,” Wade McMullen, an attorney with the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights, told the Huffington Post.

The murder comes at a time of heightened tensions between the two nations.

This week, a crowd of Dominicans burned a Haitian flag in Santiago, the Domican Republic's second most populous city. They called called on the government to take a stand against what they perceived as an “invasion” of Haitian migrants into the country, Haiti Libre reported.

In the capital, Santo Domingo, anti-Haitian graffiti can be seen, reading, “Haitians get out.” The latest downturn in relations between Dominicans and people of Haitian descent was sparked by a 2013 Supreme Court that rendered some 200,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent stateless, prompting international condemnation.

According to the ruling, children of Haitian migrants — brought into the country during the early 20th century to work in Dominican fields — born in the Dominican Republic since 1930 had no right to stay in the country.

Anti-Haitian sentiment has been on the rise ever since, Sagas said.

“Haitians are utilized by the Dominican Republic as cheap labor, and as such they happen to be the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said. “When the economy is doing well, Haitians are tolerated. When the economy is not doing well, they need to be deported.”

The next presidential election in the Dominican Republic is in 2016, and the issue of immigrants from Haiti ihas often been used in the past to criticize political opponents.

“It is a political strategy that has worked before, to distract the people from other issues and rally the troops,” Sagas said.

Sagas referred to the anti-Haitian sentiment as a “monster that rears its ugly head” at politically or economically sensitive times. It is not the first lynching of a Haitian person in the Dominican Republic, according to local media. In 2009, Dominican police said a "inflamed throng" hanged and beheaded a Haitian man in Santo Domingo, according to Dominican Today.

“Poor Haitians are the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/12/Haiti-Dominican-lynching.html
 

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Haitian man apparently lynched in Dominican city amid rising tensions
Police dismissed racial motivation, but analysts said anti-Haitian sentiment is on the rise in the Caribbean nation

February 12, 2015 5:12PM ET
by Renee Lewis

The apparent lynching of a Haitian man in the Dominican Republic could add “more fuel to the fire” amid rising tensions between the two Caribbean nations, analysts said.

“Right now, whether this murder was racially motivated or not, whether it was a lynching or a personal vendetta, it doesn’t matter much at this point,” said Ernesto Sagas, associate professor in the ethnic studies department of Colorado State University and author of "Race and Politics in the Dominican Republic."

“It comes at a very unfortunate moment because tensions are particularly high when it comes to the presence of Haitian workers in Dominican Republic, so this is adding more fuel to the fire,” Sagas told Al Jazeera.

Dominican authorities retrieved the body of the victim, identified by local media only as “Tulile” on Wednesday, after he was found hanged in Santiago’s Ercilla Pepin Park. He was discovered dangling from a tree with his hands and feet bound, Dominican Today reported, and worked in the park shining shoes.

Police quickly ruled out racism in the death of the Haitian man, according to local media. Instead, they said that the crime’s motive was to steal money from the man, who apparently had won $130.00 from a lottery ticket.

“For the Dominican authorities to rule out racism as a factor less than 24 hours after a man of Haitian descent was hanged in a public space is not just irresponsible policing, it is an outrageous example of discrimination endemic to the Dominican Republic,” Wade McMullen, an attorney with the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights, told the Huffington Post.

The murder comes at a time of heightened tensions between the two nations.

This week, a crowd of Dominicans burned a Haitian flag in Santiago, the Domican Republic's second most populous city. They called called on the government to take a stand against what they perceived as an “invasion” of Haitian migrants into the country, Haiti Libre reported.

In the capital, Santo Domingo, anti-Haitian graffiti can be seen, reading, “Haitians get out.” The latest downturn in relations between Dominicans and people of Haitian descent was sparked by a 2013 Supreme Court that rendered some 200,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent stateless, prompting international condemnation.

According to the ruling, children of Haitian migrants — brought into the country during the early 20th century to work in Dominican fields — born in the Dominican Republic since 1930 had no right to stay in the country.

Anti-Haitian sentiment has been on the rise ever since, Sagas said.

“Haitians are utilized by the Dominican Republic as cheap labor, and as such they happen to be the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said. “When the economy is doing well, Haitians are tolerated. When the economy is not doing well, they need to be deported.”

The next presidential election in the Dominican Republic is in 2016, and the issue of immigrants from Haiti ihas often been used in the past to criticize political opponents.

“It is a political strategy that has worked before, to distract the people from other issues and rally the troops,” Sagas said.

Sagas referred to the anti-Haitian sentiment as a “monster that rears its ugly head” at politically or economically sensitive times. It is not the first lynching of a Haitian person in the Dominican Republic, according to local media. In 2009, Dominican police said a "inflamed throng" hanged and beheaded a Haitian man in Santo Domingo, according to Dominican Today.

“Poor Haitians are the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/12/Haiti-Dominican-lynching.html


Terrible. I'm sure the US will intervene before it happens but they heading to war down there. At least the civilians.
 

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I have never watched any of his documentaries...and not planning to.

He needs to focus on African American issues and let people of the Diaspora tell their own stories.

people taking these man's documentaries like is gospel :russ:


Yeah I'm getting sick and tired of it. Henry Gates is not even respected my other African American scholars such as Henri Clarke.

The thing I hate about Gates is that he claims left and right that he is half white yet when he goes to places that are not influenced by western views races of black/white who do not consider themselves black(sometimes they're obviously MIXED), he gets upset and whines.
 

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Yeah I'm getting sick and tired of it. Henry Gates is not even respected my other African American scholars such as Henri Clarke.

The thing I hate about Gates is that he claims left and right that he is half white yet when he goes to places that are not influenced by western views races of black/white who do not consider themselves black(sometimes they're obviously MIXED), he gets upset and whines.
those documentaries were still a nice starting point
 
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