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What do you want exactly (subject matters-wise) ?

I'd like to know more about blacks in France, the overseas departments, and other French speaking countries. Education is my main interest: primary, secondary, and university. I'm also interested in the colonial period, the current economy, healthcare, migration, etc. I will watch anything except military strategy.

I watched the three episodes of France 5's Noirs de France with English subtitles (Al Jazeera's Black France). It was informative but kept mentioning black Americans.
 

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That's an interesting point. I just looked at a couple of different websites, for every 1,000 Dominicans that enter the first grade only about 250 graduate high school.

education has just been taking off in the last year really. when i was there this summer all everybody was talking about was all the new schools being built. i counted 2 in my town and 3 in my wife's town which is about 40 minutes away. they also just lengthened the school day and started serving the kids lunch. before school was only 8am to 1pm and they would dismiss them so they could go home and eat because the schools couldnt afford lunch. now they get a full school day and even after school activities in some parts.

they even paying decent salaries for teachers. nothing like here of course but enough to live off and then some. my wife's cousin thought about it because he's been wanting to live out there for the experience anyway(he's a very americanized dominican).
 
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I'd like to know more about blacks in France, the overseas departments, and other French speaking countries. Education is my main interest: primary, secondary, and university. I'm also interested in the colonial period, the current economy, healthcare, migration, etc. I will watch anything except military strategy.

I watched the three episodes of France 5's Noirs de France with English subtitles (Al Jazeera's Black France). It was informative but kept mentioning black Americans.
I'll watch Noirs de France in order to see what you watched and I'll give you some links after that if they aren't redundant then.
 

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Haitian man apparently lynched in Dominican city amid rising tensions
Police dismissed racial motivation, but analysts said anti-Haitian sentiment is on the rise in the Caribbean nation

February 12, 2015 5:12PM ET
by Renee Lewis

The apparent lynching of a Haitian man in the Dominican Republic could add “more fuel to the fire” amid rising tensions between the two Caribbean nations, analysts said.

“Right now, whether this murder was racially motivated or not, whether it was a lynching or a personal vendetta, it doesn’t matter much at this point,” said Ernesto Sagas, associate professor in the ethnic studies department of Colorado State University and author of "Race and Politics in the Dominican Republic."

“It comes at a very unfortunate moment because tensions are particularly high when it comes to the presence of Haitian workers in Dominican Republic, so this is adding more fuel to the fire,” Sagas told Al Jazeera.

Dominican authorities retrieved the body of the victim, identified by local media only as “Tulile” on Wednesday, after he was found hanged in Santiago’s Ercilla Pepin Park. He was discovered dangling from a tree with his hands and feet bound, Dominican Today reported, and worked in the park shining shoes.

Police quickly ruled out racism in the death of the Haitian man, according to local media. Instead, they said that the crime’s motive was to steal money from the man, who apparently had won $130.00 from a lottery ticket.

“For the Dominican authorities to rule out racism as a factor less than 24 hours after a man of Haitian descent was hanged in a public space is not just irresponsible policing, it is an outrageous example of discrimination endemic to the Dominican Republic,” Wade McMullen, an attorney with the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights, told the Huffington Post.

The murder comes at a time of heightened tensions between the two nations.

This week, a crowd of Dominicans burned a Haitian flag in Santiago, the Domican Republic's second most populous city. They called called on the government to take a stand against what they perceived as an “invasion” of Haitian migrants into the country, Haiti Libre reported.

In the capital, Santo Domingo, anti-Haitian graffiti can be seen, reading, “Haitians get out.” The latest downturn in relations between Dominicans and people of Haitian descent was sparked by a 2013 Supreme Court that rendered some 200,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent stateless, prompting international condemnation.

According to the ruling, children of Haitian migrants — brought into the country during the early 20th century to work in Dominican fields — born in the Dominican Republic since 1930 had no right to stay in the country.

Anti-Haitian sentiment has been on the rise ever since, Sagas said.

“Haitians are utilized by the Dominican Republic as cheap labor, and as such they happen to be the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said. “When the economy is doing well, Haitians are tolerated. When the economy is not doing well, they need to be deported.”

The next presidential election in the Dominican Republic is in 2016, and the issue of immigrants from Haiti ihas often been used in the past to criticize political opponents.

“It is a political strategy that has worked before, to distract the people from other issues and rally the troops,” Sagas said.

Sagas referred to the anti-Haitian sentiment as a “monster that rears its ugly head” at politically or economically sensitive times. It is not the first lynching of a Haitian person in the Dominican Republic, according to local media. In 2009, Dominican police said a "inflamed throng" hanged and beheaded a Haitian man in Santo Domingo, according to Dominican Today.

“Poor Haitians are the scapegoats of Dominican society,” Sagas said.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/12/Haiti-Dominican-lynching.html


More propaganda by the U.S. to unite the island so that they can build a base there since Cuba wants their land back...


This story is BS and I can't believe Al jazeera publish this without investigating further....


1. the motive of the murder allegedly was robbery...and so that he would not speak about furniture that was hidden and belonged to an old lady that they killed (70 year old)

2. They police arrested 2 Dominicans and later let go

3. They arrested 2 of his friends and they confessed to the murder .

Policía acusa a 2 haitianos de ahorcar a compatriota

SIGUE BAJO ARRESTO ANNERYS MASSIEL NÚÑEZ, VINCULADA AL SUCESO

  • El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

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    El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

Ricardo Santana
Santo Domingo
Dos haitianos detenidos
e investigados por la Policía Nacional en torno al ahorcamiento de un compatriota suyo, cuyo cadáver fue encontrado colgando en un árbol del parque Ercilia Pepín de Santiago, habrían supuestamente confesado que cometieron el hecho para despojarle de dos mil pesos y no revelara el lugar donde habían llevado unos muebles propiedad de una anciana a la que habían estrangulado. - The friends confessed that they killed him to take $2,000 pesos and so that he would not reveal where the property of the old lady is located killed by them (them = his friends)...I guess the police was investigating so they off him so the he would not snitch.

Los dos haitianos imputados del hecho por la Policía, cuyos nombres no reveló, habrían declarado que los dos mil pesos fueron pagados a la víctima, Jean Claude Harry, de 23 años, por la señora Annnerys Massiel Núñez, que está detenida, para que la ayudara a trasladar a su apartamento varios muebles y otros utensilios que fueron sustraídos de la casa de su cuñada, Altagracia Díaz Ventura, de 70 años, que fue estrangulada la semana pasada en su residencia. - So this Annerys Massiel sent someone to kill the old lady or she killed her (that was her sister-in-law) and she paid the Haitians to take the old lady's property (furniture etc.) to her house.
The Dominican woman involved is locked up for murder and theft. I am not sure why but the police is not revealing the names of the Haitians involved in the hanging.


Tanto los detenidos, como la víctima, que se dedicaba a limpiar zapatos, pernoctaban en la zona y casi siempre dormían juntos.

El crimen lo habrían cometido en horas de la madrugada cuando no había nadie y los vecinos de los alrededores dormían.

Las investigaciones de la Policía apuntan a que Harry, presumiblemente junto a otro de sus compatriotas que se encuentra detenido, ayudó a la señora Annery Massiel Núñez, a quien un juez del Tribunal de Atención Permanente dictó tres meses de prisión preventiva como medida cautelar por la muerte de la anciana, a trasladar los efectos electrodomésticos y los muebles sustraídos de su residencia.

Uno de los haitianos arrestados dijo a los investigadores que escuchó a la anciana quejarse y que a él le propusieron participar en su muerte, a lo que se habría negado, aunque admitió que ayudó en el traslado de muebles y otros ajuares al apartamento de la prevenida.


Source: http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...-haitianos-de-ahorcar-compatriota-en-Santiago

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More propaganda by the U.S. to unite the island so that they can build a base there since Cuba wants their land back...


This story is BS and I can't believe Al jazeera publish this without investigating further....


1. the motive of the murder allegedly was robbery...and so that he would not speak about furniture that was hidden and belonged to an old lady that they killed (70 year old)

2. They police arrested 2 Dominicans and later let go

3. They arrested 2 of his friends and they confessed to the murder .

Policía acusa a 2 haitianos de ahorcar a compatriota

SIGUE BAJO ARRESTO ANNERYS MASSIEL NÚÑEZ, VINCULADA AL SUCESO

  • El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

    ">
    364EF9C2-F520-4468-8FF0-68407D5C4B76.jpeg

    El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

Ricardo Santana
Santo Domingo
Dos haitianos detenidos
e investigados por la Policía Nacional en torno al ahorcamiento de un compatriota suyo, cuyo cadáver fue encontrado colgando en un árbol del parque Ercilia Pepín de Santiago, habrían supuestamente confesado que cometieron el hecho para despojarle de dos mil pesos y no revelara el lugar donde habían llevado unos muebles propiedad de una anciana a la que habían estrangulado. - The friends confessed that they killed him to take $2,000 pesos and so that he would not reveal where the property of the old lady is located killed by them (them = his friends)...I guess the police was investigating so they off him so the he would not snitch.

Los dos haitianos imputados del hecho por la Policía, cuyos nombres no reveló, habrían declarado que los dos mil pesos fueron pagados a la víctima, Jean Claude Harry, de 23 años, por la señora Annnerys Massiel Núñez, que está detenida, para que la ayudara a trasladar a su apartamento varios muebles y otros utensilios que fueron sustraídos de la casa de su cuñada, Altagracia Díaz Ventura, de 70 años, que fue estrangulada la semana pasada en su residencia. - So this Annerys Massiel sent someone to kill the old lady or she killed her (that was her sister-in-law) and she paid the Haitians to take the old lady's property (furniture etc.) to her house.
The Dominican woman involved is locked up for murder and theft. I am not sure why but the police is not revealing the names of the Haitians involved in the hanging.


Tanto los detenidos, como la víctima, que se dedicaba a limpiar zapatos, pernoctaban en la zona y casi siempre dormían juntos.

El crimen lo habrían cometido en horas de la madrugada cuando no había nadie y los vecinos de los alrededores dormían.

Las investigaciones de la Policía apuntan a que Harry, presumiblemente junto a otro de sus compatriotas que se encuentra detenido, ayudó a la señora Annery Massiel Núñez, a quien un juez del Tribunal de Atención Permanente dictó tres meses de prisión preventiva como medida cautelar por la muerte de la anciana, a trasladar los efectos electrodomésticos y los muebles sustraídos de su residencia.

Uno de los haitianos arrestados dijo a los investigadores que escuchó a la anciana quejarse y que a él le propusieron participar en su muerte, a lo que se habría negado, aunque admitió que ayudó en el traslado de muebles y otros ajuares al apartamento de la prevenida.


Source: http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...-haitianos-de-ahorcar-compatriota-en-Santiago

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More propaganda by the U.S. to unite the island so that they can build a base there since Cuba wants their land back...


This story is BS and I can't believe Al jazeera publish this without investigating further....


1. the motive of the murder allegedly was robbery...and so that he would not speak about furniture that was hidden and belonged to an old lady that they killed (70 year old)

2. They police arrested 2 Dominicans and later let go

3. They arrested 2 of his friends and they confessed to the murder .

Policía acusa a 2 haitianos de ahorcar a compatriota

SIGUE BAJO ARRESTO ANNERYS MASSIEL NÚÑEZ, VINCULADA AL SUCESO

  • El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

    ">
    364EF9C2-F520-4468-8FF0-68407D5C4B76.jpeg

    El caso. El jefe de la Policía, Manuel Castro Castillo, se ha mantenido muy activo en la investigación de este crimen, a través de un seguimiento permanente con la comisión investigadora en Santiago.

Ricardo Santana
Santo Domingo
Dos haitianos detenidos
e investigados por la Policía Nacional en torno al ahorcamiento de un compatriota suyo, cuyo cadáver fue encontrado colgando en un árbol del parque Ercilia Pepín de Santiago, habrían supuestamente confesado que cometieron el hecho para despojarle de dos mil pesos y no revelara el lugar donde habían llevado unos muebles propiedad de una anciana a la que habían estrangulado. - The friends confessed that they killed him to take $2,000 pesos and so that he would not reveal where the property of the old lady is located killed by them (them = his friends)...I guess the police was investigating so they off him so the he would not snitch.

Los dos haitianos imputados del hecho por la Policía, cuyos nombres no reveló, habrían declarado que los dos mil pesos fueron pagados a la víctima, Jean Claude Harry, de 23 años, por la señora Annnerys Massiel Núñez, que está detenida, para que la ayudara a trasladar a su apartamento varios muebles y otros utensilios que fueron sustraídos de la casa de su cuñada, Altagracia Díaz Ventura, de 70 años, que fue estrangulada la semana pasada en su residencia. - So this Annerys Massiel sent someone to kill the old lady or she killed her (that was her sister-in-law) and she paid the Haitians to take the old lady's property (furniture etc.) to her house.
The Dominican woman involved is locked up for murder and theft. I am not sure why but the police is not revealing the names of the Haitians involved in the hanging.


Tanto los detenidos, como la víctima, que se dedicaba a limpiar zapatos, pernoctaban en la zona y casi siempre dormían juntos.

El crimen lo habrían cometido en horas de la madrugada cuando no había nadie y los vecinos de los alrededores dormían.

Las investigaciones de la Policía apuntan a que Harry, presumiblemente junto a otro de sus compatriotas que se encuentra detenido, ayudó a la señora Annery Massiel Núñez, a quien un juez del Tribunal de Atención Permanente dictó tres meses de prisión preventiva como medida cautelar por la muerte de la anciana, a trasladar los efectos electrodomésticos y los muebles sustraídos de su residencia.

Uno de los haitianos arrestados dijo a los investigadores que escuchó a la anciana quejarse y que a él le propusieron participar en su muerte, a lo que se habría negado, aunque admitió que ayudó en el traslado de muebles y otros ajuares al apartamento de la prevenida.


Source: http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...-haitianos-de-ahorcar-compatriota-en-Santiago

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Who gives a shyt, if the US wanted to build a base they'd build it. Dominic00ns need the money, jobs, and political capital.
 

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In the comments section people from The Bahamas are saying that they have thousands of undocumented Haitians and The Bahamas is also being criticized by human rights groups. I wasn't aware of that. It is also mentioned that the US, France, and Canada don't want to take the Haitians while blaming the Caribbean countries for not wanting them. Sounds about right.

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once those tourist dollars start drying up they are fukked because they don't have highly educated populations and they don't make anything.

We do have an educated populace. Most everyone finishes high school at bare minimum. After high school a lot of seniors go off to college, USA, Canada, UK, elsewhere.. what percentage return home though. That is the reason I left.

If the children are the future of a nation, and 30-40% your smartest leave every year. Sucks for your nation. The ones that remain are at a disadvantage.

No we don't "make" anything for export. But we do have major banking, tax havens, fisheries and farming also, for local production. What do other Carib countries make?

The Bahamas isn't like Cuba or Jamaica with one major island. It is many, and the capital (Nassau) is only on a 21x7 mile island New Providence. I think we are doing well for ourselves, compared to others in the region

I will probably retire there one day.
 
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Haitians Accuse Dominican Police of Covering Up Motive for Lynching

By Josh Surtees

February 18, 2015 | 1:30 pm
The family of a Haitian man found lynched in a public square in the Dominican Republic in an apparently racially-motivated killing have accused authorities of trying to cover up the nature of the crime in a bid to dampen growing protests over racism in the country.

Henry 'Tulile' Claude Jean was found hanging from a tree in the city of Santiago on Wednesday with his hands and feet bound. Despite the macabre way in which his body was displayed, authorities were quick to dismiss racism as a possible motive, insisting instead that he had been killed by other Haitians during a theft.

Now his widow, Erzuline Celuma, has claimed in an interview with a Haitian TV stationthat Dominican authorities have buried his body in secret, without informing the family. Celuma, 22, stepmother to Claude's two daughters aged ten and eight, was joined by his sister who revealed that two of her own children had also been strangled in a similar way and that violence and discrimination against Haitians in the larger, wealthier neighboring state has reached alarming levels.

For Haitians living in the Dominican Republic, the initial response from police, the media and Dominicans themselves to the murder — which took place amid increasing tensions over a law that could see up to 200,000 Haitians deported from the country — has been dismaying. Within hours a senior police officer from the city of Santiago, Damian Arias Matos, had used his personal Twitter account to deny that the killing was racially motivated.

The media, hastily briefed by the police, put out reports that the killing had been perpetrated by two Haitians who stole a winning lottery ticket from the victim.

Many Dominicans — sensitive to their country's swelling reputation for racism — also took to social media to deny the murder was racially aggravated.

VICE News has since learned, from Dominican media sources, that police have now begun to unofficially circulate the theory that Claude participated in a robbery in which a woman died, and that his two accomplices then killed him.

There has, however, been no explanation of why a man well known in the community who had worked as a shoe shine in the park having migrated from Haiti in 2000 would have been lynched in such a manner.

According to an English language report on Celuma's interview — conducted in Creole — by human rights lawyer Ezili Danto, Seluma, clearly traumatized, emotional and often incoherent, told the TV interviewers that her husband did not play the lottery, had no enemies and was "a hard and diligent worker." She said she wanted "justice for her husband" and did not "want to live," adding that with Claude the sole bread winner, she was unsure how she would be able to support her family.

Chief of Police Manuel Castro Castillo has now taken charge of the investigation, after it became clear local police had discarded the hate crime theory without having carried out any investigation. He is now in Santiago and has brought in a group of youths who publicly burned the Haitian flag the evening before the hanging for questioning. No charges have yet been brought.

Activists have rejected outright the claim that Claude was killed by other Haitians.

"Ask the Haitian students I've spoken to studying not far from the park (where he was killed)," Danto said. "They speak about the continual humiliation they must endure, the community cover up, the glee that's been expressed by a good majority of Dominicans in the area of the park."

The killing has even been condemned by the Dominican Republic's more extreme politicians, including Vinicio Castillo Seman, a congressman with the Fuerza Nacional Progresista (National Progressive Force) party, who is a strong advocate of the mass expulsion of Haitians.

The Haitian prime minister, Evans Paul, has made no comment.

Edwin Paraison, former Haitian consul to the Dominican Republic, told VICE News, "There is no justification for a hanging in a public place no matter what the motive of the murder. It leads us to believe we are dealing with a hate crime in a particular context where hate speech against the Haitian community by certain commentators is scarcely concealed."

Paraison said that the day before Claude's body was discovered, a public demonstration had taken place in which war was declared on illegal immigration and that well known journalists had received death threats from ultra-nationalists for sympathizing with Haitian immigrants.

The protest followed a Febuary 1 deadline for Haitians born in the Dominican Republic to report to the authorities with proof that their ancestors came to the country legally, or face the possibility of deportation. The deadline was imposed after a 2013 ruling which effectively stripped Haitians born in the country after 1929 of their citizenship.

"It is a situation that seems to escape the control of the leaders of both countries, who have neglected to deal with the long-standing migration issue during the bilateral high-level talks held last year," Paraison said. "Everything seems to show that the anti-Haitian warhorse will be used again by certain political leaders in the election campaign."


According to María Isabel Soldevila, editor-in-chief of the country's biggest selling newspaper Listin Diairo, Santiago, the second largest city in the Dominican Republic, has become a particularly hostile environment for Haitians.

She said that last year racist groups in the city had burned a book by Peruvian Nobel Laureate Mario Vargas Llosa,"as a way to protest his views on the constitutional court's ruling and his son Gonzalo Vargas Llosa's work for the United Nations refugee division here. These groups have marched against the presence of Haitians in Santiago before and the hanging is not something to take lightly."

Vargas Llosa, the novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2010 and whose novelThe Feast of the Goat was based on the 30-year dictatorship of Dominican president Rafael Trujillo during which between 10,000 and 20,000 Haitians were executed in a state-sponsored massacre in 1937, has been vocal about the 2013 court ruling.

According to Myrtha Desulme, an activist on the board of the Haitian Diaspora Foundation, the law is so strict that "even a Dominican born to Dominican parents could be denationalized if they could trace an undocumented Haitian ancestor going back 80 years. Someone who has resided in the country for 80 years could be deemed to be 'in transit' for the purposes of this law. Of course, the law doesn't specify Haitians, it refers to all foreigners. But everyone knows that Haitians are the main targets."

The court ruling came after a young girl was refused citizenship because her undocumented Haitian parents were considered "in transit." An appeal case was brought against the Dominican government who responded by passing the controversial measure.

There are 450,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent and up to 200,000 of them could be at risk of deportation.

After the ruling was publicly criticized by the Jamaican economist and long-standing champion of Haitian rights, the late Norman Girvan, heads of state from the Caribbean bloc Caricom iwrote strongly-worded letters to the Dominican president, Danilo Medina, expressing their humanitarian concerns.

The measure, which initially provided for automatic deportation, was subsequently amended to allow whose parents were undocumented to "normalize" their status by applying for two-year permits to stay in the country of their birth until they are allowed to formally re-apply for citizenship.

Haitian journalist Louis-Joseph Olivier of the newspaper Le Nouvelliste, told VICE News, "Everything began on 23 September 2013. Racist, anti-Haitian feeling intensified in the Dominican Republic since the decision of the Constitutional Court. It is in this context that cases of violence against the Haitian community are becoming more and more frequent on the other side of the island."

Despite the criticism from the outside world, many Dominicans are supportive of their government's position.

Prominent artist Marcos Lora Read told VICE News: "The government has invited (the international community) to come and see for themselves. Our country doesn't have the capacity to give nationality to everyone that crosses the border to give birth. The hospitals are already collapsing and tensions will increase. Every country has laws that go beyond human solidarity and compassion."

Referring to the Feb 1 deadline, he said that 43,000 Haitians had just been given residency papers. "Still there is an estimate of one million illegal here and unfortunately the country will not be able to legalize all of them, we don't have enough infrastructure. We hope that the rest of the Caribbean countries and the world can take some to lessen the pressure in Haiti a little bit and slow down the friction between the two countries."

https://news.vice.com/article/haiti...-up-motive-for-lynching?utm_source=vicenewsfb

Haitians should cross the border in mass.
 
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