Dominican Republic "official" thread

[loyola llothta]

In the comments section people from The Bahamas are saying that they have thousands of undocumented Haitians and The Bahamas is also being criticized by human rights groups. I wasn't aware of that. It is also mentioned that the US, France, and Canada don't want to take the Haitians while blaming the Caribbean countries for not wanting them. Sounds about right.

its no real united on the island ( islands together)


the only one i fuk with is cuba don't let these islanders fool you.

 

[loyola llothta]

Haitians Accuse Dominican Police of Covering Up Motive for Lynching

By Josh Surtees

February 18, 2015 | 1:30 pm
The family of a Haitian man found lynched in a public square in the Dominican Republic in an apparently racially-motivated killing have accused authorities of trying to cover up the nature of the crime in a bid to dampen growing protests over racism in the country.

Henry 'Tulile' Claude Jean was found hanging from a tree in the city of Santiago on Wednesday with his hands and feet bound. Despite the macabre way in which his body was displayed, authorities were quick to dismiss racism as a possible motive, insisting instead that he had been killed by other Haitians during a theft.

Now his widow, Erzuline Celuma, has claimed in an interview with a Haitian TV stationthat Dominican authorities have buried his body in secret, without informing the family. Celuma, 22, stepmother to Claude's two daughters aged ten and eight, was joined by his sister who revealed that two of her own children had also been strangled in a similar way and that violence and discrimination against Haitians in the larger, wealthier neighboring state has reached alarming levels.

For Haitians living in the Dominican Republic, the initial response from police, the media and Dominicans themselves to the murder — which took place amid increasing tensions over a law that could see up to 200,000 Haitians deported from the country — has been dismaying. Within hours a senior police officer from the city of Santiago, Damian Arias Matos, had used his personal Twitter account to deny that the killing was racially motivated.

The media, hastily briefed by the police, put out reports that the killing had been perpetrated by two Haitians who stole a winning lottery ticket from the victim.

Many Dominicans — sensitive to their country's swelling reputation for racism — also took to social media to deny the murder was racially aggravated.

VICE News has since learned, from Dominican media sources, that police have now begun to unofficially circulate the theory that Claude participated in a robbery in which a woman died, and that his two accomplices then killed him.

There has, however, been no explanation of why a man well known in the community who had worked as a shoe shine in the park having migrated from Haiti in 2000 would have been lynched in such a manner.

According to an English language report on Celuma's interview — conducted in Creole — by human rights lawyer Ezili Danto, Seluma, clearly traumatized, emotional and often incoherent, told the TV interviewers that her husband did not play the lottery, had no enemies and was "a hard and diligent worker." She said she wanted "justice for her husband" and did not "want to live," adding that with Claude the sole bread winner, she was unsure how she would be able to support her family.

Chief of Police Manuel Castro Castillo has now taken charge of the investigation, after it became clear local police had discarded the hate crime theory without having carried out any investigation. He is now in Santiago and has brought in a group of youths who publicly burned the Haitian flag the evening before the hanging for questioning. No charges have yet been brought.

Activists have rejected outright the claim that Claude was killed by other Haitians.

"Ask the Haitian students I've spoken to studying not far from the park (where he was killed)," Danto said. "They speak about the continual humiliation they must endure, the community cover up, the glee that's been expressed by a good majority of Dominicans in the area of the park."

The killing has even been condemned by the Dominican Republic's more extreme politicians, including Vinicio Castillo Seman, a congressman with the Fuerza Nacional Progresista (National Progressive Force) party, who is a strong advocate of the mass expulsion of Haitians.

The Haitian prime minister, Evans Paul, has made no comment.

Edwin Paraison, former Haitian consul to the Dominican Republic, told VICE News, "There is no justification for a hanging in a public place no matter what the motive of the murder. It leads us to believe we are dealing with a hate crime in a particular context where hate speech against the Haitian community by certain commentators is scarcely concealed."

Paraison said that the day before Claude's body was discovered, a public demonstration had taken place in which war was declared on illegal immigration and that well known journalists had received death threats from ultra-nationalists for sympathizing with Haitian immigrants.

The protest followed a Febuary 1 deadline for Haitians born in the Dominican Republic to report to the authorities with proof that their ancestors came to the country legally, or face the possibility of deportation. The deadline was imposed after a 2013 ruling which effectively stripped Haitians born in the country after 1929 of their citizenship.

"It is a situation that seems to escape the control of the leaders of both countries, who have neglected to deal with the long-standing migration issue during the bilateral high-level talks held last year," Paraison said. "Everything seems to show that the anti-Haitian warhorse will be used again by certain political leaders in the election campaign."


According to María Isabel Soldevila, editor-in-chief of the country's biggest selling newspaper Listin Diairo, Santiago, the second largest city in the Dominican Republic, has become a particularly hostile environment for Haitians.

She said that last year racist groups in the city had burned a book by Peruvian Nobel Laureate Mario Vargas Llosa,"as a way to protest his views on the constitutional court's ruling and his son Gonzalo Vargas Llosa's work for the United Nations refugee division here. These groups have marched against the presence of Haitians in Santiago before and the hanging is not something to take lightly."

Vargas Llosa, the novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2010 and whose novelThe Feast of the Goat was based on the 30-year dictatorship of Dominican president Rafael Trujillo during which between 10,000 and 20,000 Haitians were executed in a state-sponsored massacre in 1937, has been vocal about the 2013 court ruling.

According to Myrtha Desulme, an activist on the board of the Haitian Diaspora Foundation, the law is so strict that "even a Dominican born to Dominican parents could be denationalized if they could trace an undocumented Haitian ancestor going back 80 years. Someone who has resided in the country for 80 years could be deemed to be 'in transit' for the purposes of this law. Of course, the law doesn't specify Haitians, it refers to all foreigners. But everyone knows that Haitians are the main targets."

The court ruling came after a young girl was refused citizenship because her undocumented Haitian parents were considered "in transit." An appeal case was brought against the Dominican government who responded by passing the controversial measure.

There are 450,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent and up to 200,000 of them could be at risk of deportation.

After the ruling was publicly criticized by the Jamaican economist and long-standing champion of Haitian rights, the late Norman Girvan, heads of state from the Caribbean bloc Caricom iwrote strongly-worded letters to the Dominican president, Danilo Medina, expressing their humanitarian concerns.

The measure, which initially provided for automatic deportation, was subsequently amended to allow whose parents were undocumented to "normalize" their status by applying for two-year permits to stay in the country of their birth until they are allowed to formally re-apply for citizenship.

Haitian journalist Louis-Joseph Olivier of the newspaper Le Nouvelliste, told VICE News, "Everything began on 23 September 2013. Racist, anti-Haitian feeling intensified in the Dominican Republic since the decision of the Constitutional Court. It is in this context that cases of violence against the Haitian community are becoming more and more frequent on the other side of the island."

Despite the criticism from the outside world, many Dominicans are supportive of their government's position.

Prominent artist Marcos Lora Read told VICE News: "The government has invited (the international community) to come and see for themselves. Our country doesn't have the capacity to give nationality to everyone that crosses the border to give birth. The hospitals are already collapsing and tensions will increase. Every country has laws that go beyond human solidarity and compassion."

Referring to the Feb 1 deadline, he said that 43,000 Haitians had just been given residency papers. "Still there is an estimate of one million illegal here and unfortunately the country will not be able to legalize all of them, we don't have enough infrastructure. We hope that the rest of the Caribbean countries and the world can take some to lessen the pressure in Haiti a little bit and slow down the friction between the two countries."

https://news.vice.com/article/haiti...-up-motive-for-lynching?utm_source=vicenewsfb

vile people

 

[loyola llothta]

Dominican Journalists Claim Death Threats For Covering Citizenship Debate

Four journalists in the Dominican Republic say they have been threatened for covering their country’s increasingly contentious citizenship and immigration debate and accuse an outspoken nationalist of calling for their deaths.

The journalists filed a lawsuit this month alleging Dominican nationalist Luis Díaz fomented the threats at a public protest. The reporters also demanded that the government address the growing trend of protesters calling for “death to traitors” during demonstrations advocating the expulsion of undocumented Haitian migrants.

One of the journalists, Juan Bolívar Díaz, said the reporters have been threatened while at the supermarket and while driving through Santo Domingo. Bolívar Díaz, who has been reporting for four decades in print and television, said he and three colleagues have been targeted for denouncing hostility toward Dominicans of Haitian descent and the country's widespread repugnance against Haitian migrants.


“There are sectors and groups that are trafficking in nationalist sentiment,” Bolívar Díaz told The Huffington Post. “There’s racism and a historic anti-Haitianism in this country, so these people want to silence the media who are defending human rights… Some people promote a veritable apartheid.”

Dominican officials opened an investigation and interrogated Díaz, the nationalist accused in the lawsuit, last week. He was released without charges, according to news reports, though the case remains open. Outside the interrogation, dozens of protesters chanted slogans, including, “We are all Luis,” and “Death to the traitors.”

Luis Díaz declines to speak to reporters while the case proceeds, according to Dominican daily Listín Diario. Attempts to reach him through his attorney, Leonte Riva, were unsuccessful.

The Dominican attorney general’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Attorney Wade McMullen said the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights, and the Caribbean Institute for Human Rights planned to file a petition on behalf of the four journalists with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

“In this extremely concerning climate where journalists are receiving death threats and the government isn’t doing what’s necessary to investigate these threats, we find it necessary to go to an international body to ensure the protection of these journalists’ lives and enable to them to continue to do their jobs,” McMullen told HuffPost.

Fausto Rosario, director of Dominican digital news outlet Acento, said each article he publishes concerning citizenship or immigration issues unleashes a torrent of aggressive personal attacks painting him as sympathizer of what he referred to as a “supposed plan from the United States, France and Canada to fuse the Dominican Republic with Haiti.”

Rosario said authorities hadn’t done enough to protect journalists like Bolívar Díaz and the other three reporters in the lawsuit -- Huichi Lora, Amelia Dechamps and Roberto Cavada.

“The government is totally indifferent,” Rosario told HuffPost. “The government can’t allow these things to happen and stay quiet.”

A series of legal measures dating back to 2004 have done away with birthright citizenship in an effort to crack down on illegal immigration from Haiti. A Constitutional Court decision in 2013 applied the new standard retroactively, stripping thousands of Dominicans of Haitian descent of their citizenship.

Under intense international criticism, the Dominican government passed a law modifying the ruling. The law returned citizenship to some Dominicans of Haitian descent, but only extended lawful migrant status to others, who would then have to apply for naturalization after two years.

Fewer than 9,000 people applied to normalize their status under the law by the time the registration period expired on Feb. 1. Human rights watchdog Amnesty International, however, estimates that more than 100,000 people might have benefitted. Human rights groups attributed the low registration numbers to lack of publicity and poor management by the government.

The Dominican government has staunchly defended the laws and bristles at criticism, complaining of undue influence by international human rights organizations defending Dominicans of Haitian descent and Haitian migrants.

“Amnesty International is an organization with private interests, directed by Mexicans who want to drag our country down so that tourism doesn’t prosper and instead people go to Mexico, to the Riviera Maya, where they hang people in the streets, and then you see them on the poles,” the Dominican minister of the interior and police, José Ramón Fadul, said of the U.K.-based group earlier this month. “What do they want? For the country to declare itself a desert, without laws, and that everyone here be equals and that everyone walk around without any kind of proof of identification?”

Site source :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/dominican-journalists-death-threats_n_6674160.html

 

[beanz]

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[lenfantdelacapitale]

"I am not Black I'm Dominican" LOL classic quote for about 95% of Dominicans that looked like me and darker

 

[Liu Kang]

*banned @Dip from ever replying to this thread for repeat use of the c00n epithet*

 

[Arianne Martell]

@loyola llothta

I suggest you stick to updating the Mike Brown thread...

You know nothing...

 

[Digga38]

*banned @Dip from ever replying to this thread for repeat use of the c00n epithet*

is cac not a *epithet*

 

[Liu Kang]

is cac not a *epithet*

Yes it is and I delete or edit posts that contains it. For example I deleted the "Why cacs do the most drugs" thread because of that. Why do you ask ? Are you hurt by its use ?
Only reason Dip got banned from the thread is because he first say that "Dominicans were known c00ns" which I deleted then he came back and said "Dominic00ns [a number of times] ". Had he not came back with a vengeance he'd still be able to post in this thread. We can debate without using derogatory terms and that's why I delete or edit posts.

 

[Digga38]

Yes it is and I delete or edit posts that contains it. For example I deleted the "Why cacs do the most drugs" thread because of that. Why do you ask ? Are you hurt by its use ?
Only reason Dip got banned from the thread is because he first say that "Dominicans were known c00ns" which I deleted then he came back and said "Dominic00ns [a number of times] ". Had he not came back with a vengeance he'd still be able to post in this thread. We can debate without using derogatory terms and that's why I delete or edit posts.

You seem to defend the Jews real well are u offended when Zionist get called out you seem too.


I'm just marking your double standards u employee. ...Muslim disrespect rampant but no blocks no bans.....I post an example of middle east goals that were stated by rabbis before the UN and u delete my post. Your doing more harm then good m8

 

[Liu Kang]

*** OFF TOPIC

You seem to defend the Jews real well are u offended when Zionist get called out you seem too.[...]

I like the fact that you just equated Jews and Zionists. I really like that because it proves that you don't even make a difference (in this case) between the ethnicity and the ideology. And there lies an insidious problem within some people in HL. That's exactly what I was talking about in Dieudonné's case : people start well by fighting for a good cause (a Palestinian state) and fighting against Zionism then they start equating Jews and Zionism because of Israel's policies and then they end up fighting against Jews as a people. I'd rightfully defend Jews when they are insulted as a people but I'll never ever ever ever defend Zionism or Israel and its current policies against Palestinians. That's the difference. When you attack "the Jews" (as you say it) you're simply being antisemitic and that is not tolerated. If you attack Israel or Zionists/sm, I let everything fly because it comes under the political side of the debate and that's absolutely what we want. So maybe next time, you'll hide that Jew hate a little better under your anti-zionism that'll avoid me to mod you.

And for your information, I'm French & Black which is known by most in HL.

I'm just marking your double standards u employee. ...Muslim disrespect rampant but no blocks no bans.....I post an example of middle east goals that were stated by rabbis before the UN and u delete my post. Your doing more harm then good m8

There's no double standard on my end : I delete and edit posts/threads that are disrespectful whether they target white/black/brown people, Muslims, Christians or every target possible. I banned people from replying because they were being islamophobic, I did the same for people who were being racist or dishonest and so on. Those are facts and you can look em up, no problem. And you can report bad posts by clicking on the "Snitch" button between the "Rep" and the "Bookmark" one on the top right of a post. That sends a report to the Mod team and that helps us moderating this board because we have lives IRL. We read those reports so if you got any complaints about islamophobic posts, report them, we'll gladly oblige. For example, in your Holocaust cartoon thread, I deleted all the posts that were attacking @thekingsmen because they were derailing the thread so be assured, I don't hold any grudge against anybody and I take cases one by one. Now, if you're a repeat offender, don't be surprised if I repeat mod

What is the "rabbis' goal before the UN" post you're talking about ? Which thread ? And PM me so we don't derail this thread any further. Once you PM'd me, I will delete all our posts so the thread can remain about Dominican Republic. And for your information, there is a pedophile rabbi thread on the first page, it's still up and will still be.

 

[Diunx]

Haiti needs to close the border already and cut off all trade with the Dominican Republic. They're basically feeding their own enemies.

You do know where most of the food in Haiti comes from right?

As a Dominican I find the idea of deporting people born and raised here completely moronic but I think that something needs to be done with the rampant illegal immigration from Haiti, this country can barely sustain its own citizens, anyone who has visited Santo Domingo has seen at least one Haitian family begging at a traffic light, shyt in a construction site next to my building there is a Haitian family living there with toddlers, that shyt isn't good for anyone.

Haiti needs to get its shyt together and build a country where their citizens can have a decent life, a poor country can not possible sustain another poor country, it this keeps going DR will end up collapsing too.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

You do know where most of the food in Haiti comes from right?

As a Dominican I find the idea of deporting people born and raised here completely moronic but I think that something needs to be done with the rampant illegal immigration from Haiti, this country can barely sustain its own citizens, anyone who has visited Santo Domingo has seen at least one Haitian family begging at a traffic light, shyt in a construction site next to my building there is a Haitian family living there with toddlers, that shyt isn't good for anyone.

Haiti needs to get its shyt together and build a country where their citizens can have a decent life, a poor country can not possible sustain another poor country, it this keeps going DR will end up collapsing too.

Dominican Republic of course. That's why I want Haiti to close the border.... stop giving money to DR and reinvest it only in Haiti. Cut off all trade with them and make them lose their cash flow.

 

[Diunx]

And how will they eat?, I'm sure there are countless of countries lining up to do business with a corrupt government and kidnappers, not to mention the big amount of Haitians that live from what they make in the weekly market in Dajabon.

There has actually been some economic tension in the last few years and the result is both Haitians and Dominicans revolting for the lost of food and money, in the end closing the border wouldn't be good for anyone and especially not for the Haitian people.

 

[NATU]

details of that 1st pic?

The guy was drunk, he threw the empty bottle of rum in the floor and the american soldier told him to pick it up, he didn't want to (dominicans don't like people to tell them what to do), he said that he did not throw that bottle and he preferred to fight the soldier with his bear hands instead of picking up the god damn fukking bottle of rum he just threw in the floor.

This is fact!! I'm not joking..