Dominicans Have Reached a Boiling Point

[Brehvity3135]

Exactly... Haitian & Dominican elites smoke cigars and eat fried pork together

Making big money.

The average Haitian/Dominican elite probably makes between $10 to $30 million each month.

OP is just a sex tourist acting like a Dominican nationalist.

Ive live here and never engage because I don’t have to. You’re just another blan talking crazy from abroad. I’ve been in Haiti more times than your entire bloodline.

The reality is the Haiti idealism is just a hotep pipe dream. When I touched down I had those same delusions until I started to peep how y’all entire history is invented and a distortion of reality.

There hasn’t been a moment of stability in your history. The very identity to be Haitian has been in contention since inception. Y’all don’t even count your own as such.

You can talk about economics but that’s the foolishness of your mindset. Economics comes from stability. Your own people cannot provide that for themselves ñ

 

[OfTheCross]

Ive live here and never engage because I don’t have to. You’re just another blan talking crazy from abroad. I’ve been in Haiti more times than your entire bloodline.

The reality is the Haiti idealism is just a hotep pipe dream. When I touched down I had those same delusions until I started to peep how y’all entire history is invented and a distortion of reality.

There hasn’t been a moment of stability in your history. The very identity to be Haitian has been in contention since inception. Y’all don’t even count your own as such.

You can talk about economics but that’s the foolishness of your mindset. Economics comes from stability. Your own people cannot provide that for themselves ñ

Where you live in DR ?

 

[BigBlackSea]

Thats not going to play here

Sad thing is a lot of them are as dark as me and got the same 4C naps, yet they don't see themselves as black due to speaking Spanish.

 

[Brehvity3135]

If y’all read Confronting Black Jacobins you’ll get to find out all about the way DR even came into existence. I’ll give you two hints, it involves America and a project of destabilization/Balkanization along the lines of identity.

The bullshyt they pull all the time now was learned and perfected on the island of Hispaniola.

Lol y’all speak like a group who arrived 150-200 years prior to what are Haitians today, came afterwards.

This is the distortion of reality I am talking about why the identity and that book is mostly junk science.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Where you live in DR ?

Cerros Alto to be exact

 

[OfTheCross]

Sad thing is a lot of them are as dark as me and got the same 4C naps, yet they don't see themselves as black due to speaking Spanish.

Being Black has nothing to do with them protecting their sovereignty.

 

[OfTheCross]

Cerros Alto to be exact

I was just by there a couple weeks ago. My first time in Santiago. The country really impressed me during this trip. It seems great.

 

[LokBigBoss]

Lol y’all speak like a group who arrived 150-200 years prior to what are Haitians today, came afterwards.

This is the distortion of reality I am talking about why the identity and that book is mostly junk science.

my question is what what have you got against Haitians because right now your spouting some b.s. about Haiti never being stable in its history (which is false, modern day Haiti is unstable). About Haitian identity being invented or something like that. So my question to u is why the disrespect towards Haitians?

 

[Brehvity3135]

Sad thing is a lot of them are as dark as me and got the same 4C naps, yet they don't see themselves as black due to speaking Spanish.

I’ll post this again. The only subject required in Dominican schools to be taught in Spanish is history. There’s a reason for that.

Moreno(masculine) means brown skinned and is interchangeable with black/negro. But the usage of the word negro is only used descriptive or in positive manner more often then not. Moreno can be from Big Papi who is obviously black to Alex Rodriguez types.

Thats why you’ll hear “negra bella” (beautiful black) or “negro guapo” (handsome black) in common language. The discrepancy in the usage of the word black is historically problematic in Dominican society. You’ve seen or heard those phrases and they are prefacing the word “black” with a positive description. That’s not happenstance.

The use of moreno started pre and post slavery (slavery was significantly different in DR versus Haiti). Majority of black Dominicans in Dominican Republic are descended from free people in the Dominican Republic, so that’s where a large misunderstanding comes from. Before you read further read that sentence again.

Example: Al Horford who’s grandfather is from the Bahamas. It’s almost a guarantee that side was enslaved at some point in Bahamas, but were free upon arrival in the late 1800’s to the DR to work in sugar plantations (bateys) in San Pedro Macoris, but I guarantee if you asked Al Horford he would struggle with answering whether he is or black or not or whether he descends from slaves because his history in the DR weren’t enslaved. This is consistent with every census report and just the overall history of the DR that is lost in translation.

“Approximately 9,648 slaves remain in Santo Domingo. With decline of sugar production, some slaves are sold elsewhere, while others escape into the interior of the island or die of epidemic diseases”

https://socialjusticebooks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ccdr_timeline.pdf

Moreno was used to describe “freemen” as well as to make a distinction between the newly arrival and larger black slave population of Haiti. They arrived directly from Africa a whole 150-175 years after what we know as “Dominicans” today who not only had a decimated population but had a significant mixed raced population by this point.

So “black” will always garner a in the manner it is used because historically it’s associated with “enslaved” within this society. And more recently “African American”. You’ll also hear “rubia” (blonde) in reference to a fair skinned women. It also could mean describing a blonde haired woman obviously, and “indio” (Indian) describing someone who has Indigenous Taino blood, which is pretty much 75 percent of the population. The only subject in school here that is required in Spanish is history. And that’s why a lot of what is interpreted as “self hate” is really a lack of understanding of history here. Of course “one boat, different stops” is how we contextualize histories but it’s just not going to work here. While some parts intertwine a large part diverges.

You add in the identity of Dominican, everyone is just Dominican. If you have Dominican blood. Whether poor, rich, white, black, etc the culture is Dominican. There is no black Dominican culture, white Dominican culture, might be “Tigre” (street savvy) versus “Popis” (posh, preppy, American) but it’s still Dominican. Whereas we as black Americans are saying “we feel more American outside of America”.

That’s the difference. If you don’t understand that fundamental difference then yeh ideologically things will appear self hating or anti black to you, and I’m not saying that shyt don’t exist because it can. But it’s not in the manner you think.

 

[Remote]

Without getting into the shyt show that these threads always become, it just fascinates me from the sidelines how people on this board get this pretentious attitude when it comes to other countries or cultures speaking about social/racial/political American dynamics....but those same people have no problem whatsoever inserting their opinions the other way around.

 

[RARI_Godwind]

-Brehminicans, probably.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Lol y’all speak like a group who arrived 150-200 years prior to what are Haitians today, came afterwards.

This is the distortion of reality I am talking about why the identity and that book is mostly junk science.

Read the book and discredit it then.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Being Black has nothing to do with them protecting their sovereignty.

Yeh that’s what I had to unlearn. Extrapolating black American identity politics to a place in Latin American is peak ignorance. It’s natural because phenotypically more brehs are going to look more like the other. Knee jerk reaction is automatically align.

A certain group has weaponized this and brehs fall for it cause that’s our history, purely race based. Meanwhile that same group has been on social media shyttin on African Americans in the same breath calling us lazy

 

[tremonthustler1]

Their economy would collapse if they didnt have access to cheap labor and the Haitian market to export their low-quality agriculture.

Dominicans do alot of talking and flexing but the numbers don't lie.

They benefit from Haiti being destabilized but wanna play victim.

Their economy ain't shyt now.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Until the wall is built and diplomatic relations are cut - I'm not trying to hear shyt.

You're a sovereign nation....act like one.

Man up and cut those diplomatic relations!!!!

Let Haiti sink or swim on its own.... and you can do the same.

But you won't.... cause you p*ssy.

they're 1/3rd of the entire island. I get wanting more secure borders, but cutting off diplomatic relations would be foolish. Not many places on Earth have the set up we have of 2 countries on the same island.

Besides, the Haitian side of the island is damn near uninhabitable just off where it is and what happens to it naturally. Even if DR wanted to wipe Haiti out, nobody's tryna develop on a fault that's subject to so many natural disasters.