Dominicans Have Reached a Boiling Point

[Thurgood Thurston III]

Breh you can come with the ad hominem attacks when I’ve been a legal resident for 6 years. And if you follow my font I’m very open against black men traveling to Latin America for sex tourism as it’s a negative stereotype for our image.

to history breh I’m not going to get into that as it’s just historical facts that Spanish arrived first with African slaves and created settlements. These ppl became Dominicans. Black slaves to what is now Haiti didn’t arrive for a whole 150 years after Spanish arrival.

https://socialjusticebooks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ccdr_timeline.pdf

Why y’all are stuck and continue to distort this easily verifiable fact is all the more reason of the internal crisis that takes part inside of y’all. It’s very evident that y’all haven’t rectified your origins. But like I always say ask 3 of ya and you’ll get 5 different answers

You have a personal saying that goes "Ask 3 Haitians about their origins, and you'll get 5 different answers"?

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

@Brehvity3135

What does your claim of which enslaved Africans arrived on which side of Hispaniola have to do with anything?

Haiti was a country first…

 

[Brehvity3135]

I only speak facts.

How do you personally feel about Haitians?

Before moving here no real opinion. Knew a little about the revolution. But living here I understand fully why things materialized the way they did in history.

Here I don’t interact with any. None live in my zone and the company I hired for my properties was German and the crew all Dominican as I don’t support illegal immigration anywhere.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

I only speak facts.



Before moving here no real opinion. Knew a little about the revolution. But living here I understand fully why things materialized the way they did in history.

Here I don’t interact with any. None live in my zone and the company I hired for my properties was German and the crew all Dominican as I don’t support illegal immigration anywhere.

See my last message, #185, in this thread

 

[Brehvity3135]

@Brehvity3135

What does your claim of which enslaved Africans arrived on which side of Hispaniola have to do with anything?

Haiti was a country first…

Haiti was a country first but Dominicans arrived before Haitians. That’s not a claim, that’s just a fact. That was the point. The way you phrased it is usually said to undermine Dominican nationality as “There weren’t Dominicans before Haitians” because Haiti was a country first.

You can say it’s done as shyt talking but it’s a very fundamental belief of Haitians as if the entire island is theirs.

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

I only speak facts.



Before moving here no real opinion. Knew a little about the revolution. But living here I understand fully why things materialized the way they did in history.

Here I don’t interact with any. None live in my zone and the company I hired for my properties was German and the crew all Dominican as I don’t support illegal immigration anywhere.

Cool. If you don't mind me asking, are you dark skin or lightskin?

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

1. Yes it’s important to reiterate who arrived first because the way Haitian history is taught is that Dominicans didn’t exist until Haitian independence . So that’s important to their very identity but it’s a complete distortion of history and reality.

Edit: Forget it I understand what you're saying now

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Haiti was a country first but Dominicans arrived before Haitians. That’s not a claim, that’s just a fact. That was the point. The way you phrased it is usually said to undermine Dominican nationality as “There weren’t Dominicans before Haitians” because Haiti was a country first.

You can say it’s done as shyt talking but it’s a very fundamental belief of Haitians as if the entire island is theirs.

They weren’t Dominicans. They were Wolof, Kongolese, Fulani, Kimbundu etc.

No Dominican identity existed then. Haitian nationhood came first.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Cool. If you don't mind me asking, are you dark skin or lightskin?

I’m the same color as Kevin Durant. This place is the most classist place I’ve ever been. Last name, school, family ties matter.

At first it threw me off but I understand and don’t mind it. I can’t recall a time I’ve been outright discriminated against.

Maybe when I first arrived, didn’t have a car yet and was renting a place. This was my first year as I was scoping it out to see if it was livable.

Anyways walking is bummy and I was dressed like a gringo on vacation

I didn’t speak the language well yet. So I was walking and looking for the metro, couldn’t find it, went into a really nice restaurant. Straight 10’s from the staff to the patrons. White Dominicans. Two patrons looked at me with straight disgust as I was butchering their language asking them a question.

I broke down and just asked in English. Their mouths dropped with “you speak English?”

I said “that’s all I speak” . They proceeded to explain in English where I needed to go.

Initially I was pissed cause I wasn’t about to trade in another racist country for another. But I explained the situation to my white Dominican friend who grew up in Bk, upper class, etc and he gave me the playbook.

1. You stand out not dressed well and dress well here is decent jeans, nice dress shoes and a polo of some sort.

2. Bum’s don’t drive. Get a car.

3. And it’s really number, learn the language. It wreaks of being uneducated going to a country and not speaking the language. Same shyt we say about Hispanics who come here.

There’s a lot more but that’s like the basics

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

I’m the same color as Kevin Durant. This place is the most classist place I’ve ever been. Last name, school, family ties matter.

At first it threw me off but I understand and don’t mind it. I can’t recall a time I’ve been outright discriminated against.

Maybe when I first arrived, didn’t have a car yet and was renting a place. This was my first year as I was scoping it out to see if it was livable.

Anyways walking is bummy and I was dressed like a gringo on vacation

I didn’t speak the language well yet. So I was walking and looking for the metro, couldn’t find it, went into a really nice restaurant. Straight 10’s from the staff to the patrons. White Dominicans. Two patrons looked at me with straight disgust as I was butchering their language asking them a question.

I broke down and just asked in English. Their mouths dropped with “you speak English?”

I said “that’s all I speak” . They proceeded to explain in English where I needed to go.

Initially I was pissed cause I wasn’t about to trade in another racist country for another. But I explained the situation to my white Dominican friend who grew up in Bk, upper class, etc and he gave me the playbook.

1. You stand out not dressed well and dress well here is decent jeans, nice dress shoes and a polo of some sort.

2. Bum’s don’t drive. Get a car.

3. And it’s really number, learn the language. It wreaks of being uneducated going to a country and not speaking the language. Same shyt we say about Hispanics who come here.

There’s a lot more but that’s like the basics

That's some good insight. I assumed you were born there or something. Did your parents come from there?

Please share some more stories about your experience being black over there

 

[Brehvity3135]

They weren’t Dominicans. They were Wolof, Kongolese, Fulani, Kimbundu etc.

No Dominican identity existed then. Haitian nationhood came first.

Sad. We have Spanish criollos sending letters back to the crown as early as 1625 referencing themselves as Dominicans.

I guess Haitians who carry the most African DNA amongst the diaspora in the new world weren’t calling themselves Wolof, Fulani, Kongolese etc

@Thurgood Thurston III

Look what I’m responding too. They literally have zero idea about their origins and their identity has always been contentious. That’s the distortion I’m talking about. That is the crux of the beef that most of you on the outside and myself wasn’t understanding until I moved here. It’s completely one sided I might add.

 

[Brehvity3135]

That's some good insight. I assumed you were born there or something. Did your parents come from there?

Please share some more stories about your experience being black over there

Oh yeh I’ll definitely share a little later today.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Sad. We have Spanish criollos sending letters back to the crown as early as 1625 referencing themselves as Dominicans.

I guess Haitians who carry the most African DNA amongst the diaspora in the new world weren’t calling themselves Wolof, Fulani, Kongolese etc

@Thurgood Thurston III

Look what I’m responding too. They literally have zero idea about their origins and their identity has always been contentious. That’s the distortion I’m talking about. That is the crux of the beef that most of you on the outside and myself wasn’t understanding until I moved here. It’s completely one sided I might add.

So you’ve shifted the subject of who you think the first Dominicans. First you mentioned African slaves. Now it’s criollos. You’re shifting the subject.

Make up your mind…

You can’t erase that the Haitian arose first on Hispaniola.

 

[SomeoneFromThePast]

So you’ve shifted the subject of who you think the first Dominicans. First you mentioned African slaves. Now it’s criollos. You’re shifting the subject.

Make up your mind…

You can’t erase that the Haitian arose first on Hispaniola.

Not true!!

Ethnic dominicans were in the island way before the french occupied the western part of the island and brought in their slaves which later became haitians. And even after the haitian revolution, their identity wasn't yet consolidated until some generations later. During the haitian revolution, they were mostly rebellious slaves that were born in african from different ethnic groups and spoke different languages and were very disorganized, which is why dominicans were able to win the war despite their superior number. Also the word "Haiti" was the name the original tainos had for the island "Ayiti", not even the name of the country is originally from the haitians.

The dominicans had their identity and culture formed way before the french even arrived on the island. By the time the french came, black slaves in Santo Domingo spoke spanish and had lived on the island for generations, only retaining some aspects of their original african culture.

Just so you have an idea of what im talking about, the backbone of salsa music (which btw was coined and consolidated by a dominican called Johnny Pacheco), a music genre called "son" was invented in Santo Domingo in the 16th century, specifically in Santiago de los Caballeros. It was the music that dominicans danced to back in the colonial era and later on, since cubans, dominicans and puertoricans were so closely related, the music was exported to Cuba and became their trademark music genre that they're known for today.

Many don't like to accept the fact that the DR is the epicenter of latin caribbean music and is the most culturally influencial country in all of latin america. Everybody in latin america copies dominican culture, from Colombians to Venezuelans, to Boricuas, and even people all the way in europe. All these colombian artists like J Balvin, Karol G and Maluma using DR slang in their music, Rosalía using dominican rhythms, Bad Bunny making his most succesful album in the history of his career and latin music in general, almost completely inspired by dominican culture. Its crazy the amount of influence we have in this region, yet almost no recognition.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Not true!!

Ethnic dominicans were in the island way before the french occupied the western part of the island and brought in their slaves which later became haitians. And even after the haitian revolution, their identity wasn't yet consolidated until some generations later. During the haitian revolution, they were mostly rebellious slaves that were born in african from different ethnic groups and spoke different languages and were very disorganized, which is why dominicans were able to win the war despite their superior number. Also the word "Haiti" was the name the original tainos had for the island "Ayiti", not even the name of the country is originally from the haitians.

The dominicans had their identity and culture formed way before the french even arrived on the island. By the time the french came, black slaves in Santo Domingo spoke spanish and had lived on the island for generations, only retaining some aspects of their original african culture.

Just so you have an idea of what im talking about, the backbone of salsa music (which btw was coined and consolidated by a dominican called Johnny Pacheco), a music genre called "son" was invented in Santo Domingo in the 16th century, specifically in Santiago de los Caballeros. It was the music that dominicans danced to back in the colonial era and later on, since cubans, dominicans and puertoricans were so closely related, the music was exported to Cuba and became their trademark music genre that they're known for today.

Many don't like to accept the fact that the DR is the epicenter of latin caribbean music and is the most culturally influencial country in all of latin america. Everybody in latin america copies dominican culture, from Colombians to Venezuelans, to Boricuas, and even people all the way in europe. All these colombian artists like J Balvin, Karol G and Maluma using DR slang in their music, Rosalía using dominican rhythms, Bad Bunny making his most succesful album in the history of his career and latin music in general, almost completely inspired by dominican culture. Its crazy the amount of influence we have in this region, yet almost no recognition.

1. What is an "ethnic Dominican"? The DR is a multi-racial/multi-ethnic society.

2. Untrue, the concept of a Haitian nation (along with Haitian citizenship) was first conceived in 1805. The people who lived in the DR didn't transition from being Spanish subjects to being DR citizens until 1844.

3. The rest of what you've written about how DR won its independence from Haiti in the mid 19th century, salsa and J Balvin isn't that relevant. I could talk about dance music from Haiti in the 1700s (called Kontradans), but again - it's not relevant.