Dominicans Have Reached a Boiling Point

[Brehvity3135]

1.DR is multi racial but not "multi ethnic", there aren't different cultures or different ethnicities within the DR population. And regionalism doesn't count, nor does baseball team rivalries.

2.Cultural and ethnic identity isn't the synonym of citizenship or state. The jewish people were stateless for centuries and they were still considered a nation and ethnicity and had a strong cultural identity. Also that doesn't disprove what i said about dominicans existing way before haitians.

3. That was just an offtopic comment and wasn't intended to be relevant to the current conversation.

The Dominican identity won’t make sense as they’ve Balkanized themselves into insanity. It’s why they immediately created north and south kingdoms . If you ever read the constitution of 1805 it’s pure comedy and an insight into their identity crisis.

From naming themselves in honor of people they have minimal genetic ties to all while proclaiming Dominicans self hating for acknowledging that genetic tie to Taínos, it’s just insanity.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

@Brehvity3135 - Don't leave now; things are just starting to get interesting.

Why is the source of the conversation the explanation as to why Haiti is, in your words, a "dumpster fire"?

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

The Dominican identity won’t make sense as they’ve Balkanized themselves into insanity. It’s why they immediately created north and south kingdoms . If you ever read the constitution of 1805 it’s pure comedy and an insight into their identity crisis.

From naming themselves in honor of people they have minimal genetic ties to all while proclaiming Dominicans self hating for acknowledging that genetic tie to Taínos, it’s just insanity.

Is your minimal linkage to Taino ancestry a base for your supposed Dominican superiority over Haitians?

 

[#1 pick]

Cut all diplomatic relations = stop all business relations.

Cut all import/export deals with the Haitian elites.

Send all those bullshyt products to Cuba or Jamaica.

That way - both the Dominican and Haitian elites can suffer.

But the DR gov't refuses to do that for some reason.

Cuba and Jamaica don't want the Dominicans bullshyt. Jamaica got China already for that and China owns whole cities in Jamaica. The Dominicans only got Haiti.

 

[#1 pick]

Exactly... Haitian & Dominican elites smoke cigars and eat fried pork together

Making big money.

The average Haitian/Dominican elite probably makes between $10 to $30 million each month.

OP is just a sex tourist acting like a Dominican nationalist.

nikka done went raw too many times in Maria and Carla

 

[Brehvity3135]

You’ve read constitution of 1805. The one Haitian document free of foreign influence. It gave you the blueprint to your identity.

So I ask you and @Henri Christophe

Are you a good soldier?

Did he mean showing up on flag day?

I don’t think so.

When are you going to honor your founding fathers? Haiti needs it now more than ever

 

[#1 pick]

There’s a history tho. Dominicans were treated better by their oppressors than Haitian slaves. Spain gave them culture which and when they left there wasn’t as much ill will.

Haitian slaves were worked to death and their land stripped. They fought for their independence. They they tried to get aggressive with Dominicans at some point.


But having to pay reparations to France killed their chances of any economic development while the DR was able to somewhat thrive.


Then their is the European/western/CAC brainwashing and whitewashing. Dominicans are probably ignorant to the full history of Haiti.

Everyone Black is for the most part

 

[SomeoneFromThePast]

1. So, you're claiming that there's no Chinese or Lebanese in DR? Those two examples are ethnic identities in the country.

2. You've yet to provide material evidence of there being a Dominican sense of nationhood that pre-dates Haiti's independence. It would help the thread a lot if you had those documents to show...

1. The fact that there are people of chinese and labanese decent in DR doesn't make DR multi ethnic. Most of them are of 3rd and 4th generation and identify themselves as dominican. Yes they celebrate the culture of their inmigrant ancestors, but they dont consider themselves lebanese, palestine or syrian. Since the chinese are more recent, they still haven't fully blended into the DR population, so they still count as inmigrants. DR is vastly a monocultural population. For the most part, everybody in DR speaks the same language, eats the same type of food and dances to bachata and merengue, no matter where in DR you at, its the same. Dominicans from mountainous areas are lighter than those from the coast, but the cultural differences are very, very minimal.

2. https://summa.upsa.es/high.raw?id=0000004909&name=00000001.original.pdf

That PDF is a document from a provincial council held in Santo Domingo by spanish authorities in 1622, where the demonym "dominican" is used several times and that is because "dominican" mean't "people native to Santo Domingo" (Sanctus Dominicus in latin) which was the name of the island back in the day. The name was coined by Cristopher Columbus who named the island Santo Domingo in honor of his father "Domingo Colón" or "Dominicus Columbus" and because he arrived in the island on a sunday that was coincidentally the day of "Santo Domingo de Guzman", so the people who were born here were to be called...you guessed it...dominicans. Which is why i find it very interesting that dominicans love to party on sundays and for some reason its the favorite day of the week.

More information about the word "Dominican":

Luis José Peguero, a native of Baní, was the first native of the island to write a history from the so-called discovery until the middle of the 18th century, entitled "History of the conquest of the Spanish island of Santo Domingo, transposed in the year 1762". For almost two centuries, the original manuscript was kept in the National Library of Madrid until it was rescued and published for the first time in 1975, in two volumes, sponsored by the Museo de las Casas Reales, with an introductory study and notes by the historian Pedro Julio Santiago. In the first volume appears a Romance in which its author states "that the brave Dominicans have known how to defend their island of Española." Later, in the second volume, Peguero again calls the natives of the island of Santo Domingo Dominicans and states "that this [is the] name [that] they give to the natives of this island." From the book “Dominican Pseudonyms”, by Emilio Rodríguez Demorizi, I transcribe the following: “Dominican, our gentile. Since when is it used between us? “And you can title this Provincial (Council) Dominican”, says a Royal Decree from 1621, referring to the Dominican Council held in Santo Domingo in 1622 “Dominicans or spanish criollos”, writes Sánchez Valverde in his “Idea del valor de la isla Española ”, published in 1785. “Faithful and courageous Dominicans”, says Governor Urrutia in his proclamation on the occasion of the assault of his collective troops on the audacious sailors of Simón Bolívar in the Bay of Ocoa. “Dominican faithful”, exclaims Governor Kindelán in his Manifesto of December 10, 1820. But even before, at the time of the Reconquest (1808-1809), the use of our name had already become frequent”.

Source

The problem with "spanish criollos" is that venezuelans, colombians, cubans and puertoricans also refered to themselves as spanish criollos, because back in the day there was very little difference between dominicans, cubans, puertoricans, venezuelans and northern colombians (mostly Cartagena) and were closely related, but the term "dominican" was necessary to specify the inhabitants of the island of Santo Domingo, because spanish criollo could be anybody from Cartagena to Caracas to Havana to Santo Domingo. We call ourselves "criollo" even to this day.

 

[Brehvity3135]

Haiti solution is NOT in Haiti. Their issue is the white supremacists

That’s just false. They never had a chance in reality. Pre revolution and the first 20 years post was a clear example of the intra fighting that would plague them. And it’s simple. The Haitian identity has never been an encompassing one. Never.

Who is and what is Haitian? That is the question.

And quite frankly the government ppl have is a representation of values. Us Americans elected Trump. He is a reflection of American cultural values.

 

[#1 pick]

That’s just false. They never had a chance in reality. Pre revolution and the first 20 years post was a clear example of the intra fighting that would plague them. And it’s simple. The Haitian identity has never been an encompassing one. Never.

Who is and what is Haitian? That is the question.

And quite frankly the government ppl have is a representation of values. Us Americans elected Trump. He is a reflection of American cultural values.

LMAO. You are delusional. Get your face out of Maria cooch

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

1. The fact that there are people of chinese and labanese decent in DR doesn't make DR multi ethnic. Most of them are of 3rd and 4th generation and identify themselves as dominican. Yes they celebrate the culture of their inmigrant ancestors, but they dont consider themselves lebanese, palestine or syrian. Since the chinese are more recent, they still haven't fully blended into the DR population, so they still count as inmigrants. DR is vastly a monocultural population. For the most part, everybody in DR speaks the same language, eats the same type of food and dances to bachata and merengue, no matter where in DR you at, its the same. Dominicans from mountainous areas are lighter than those from the coast, but the cultural differences are very, very minimal.

2. https://summa.upsa.es/high.raw?id=0000004909&name=00000001.original.pdf

That PDF is a document from a provincial council held in Santo Domingo by spanish authorities in 1622, where the demonym "dominican" is used several times and that is because "dominican" mean't "people native to Santo Domingo" (Sanctus Dominicus in latin) which was the name of the island back in the day. The name was coined by Cristopher Columbus who named the island Santo Domingo in honor of his father "Domingo Colón" or "Dominicus Columbus" and because he arrived in the island on a sunday that was coincidentally the day of "Santo Domingo de Guzman", so the people who were born here were to be called...you guessed it...dominicans. Which is why i find it very interesting that dominicans love to party on sundays and for some reason its the favorite day of the week.

More information about the word "Dominican":



Source

The problem with "spanish criollos" is that venezuelans, colombians, cubans and puertoricans also refered to themselves as spanish criollos, because back in the day there was very little difference between dominicans, cubans, puertoricans, venezuelans and northern colombians (mostly Cartagena) and were closely related, but the term "dominican" was necessary to specify the inhabitants of the island of Santo Domingo, because spanish criollo could be anybody from Cartagena to Caracas to Havana to Santo Domingo. We call ourselves "criollo" even to this day.

Rep for the effort and primary sources.

 

[Brehvity3135]

its all economic class war. DR has been backed by the US throughout its history. If a country like Haiti has the resources to elevate its infrastructure, then it’s going to get destabilized by the hegemony unless they accede to being a puppet state.

Lol y’all use the term Puppet State while proudly living in the US.

Being isolate from economic opportunities and not playing diplomacy is suicide. It’s cute in your keyboard revolutionary discourse but in real life people starve due to egos.

Anyways DR was occupied twice from 1916-1924 and again from 1961-1965.

When DR applied for statehood in the late 1860’s they were denied.

US has never backed DR and DR has significant trade deals with China. It’s called diplomacy. Some are good at it and some just suck

 

[#1 pick]

Lol y’all use the term Puppet State while proudly living in the US.

Being isolate from economic opportunities and not playing diplomacy is suicide. It’s cute in your keyboard revolutionary discourse but in real life people starve due to egos.

Anyways DR was occupied twice from 1916-1924 and again from 1961-1965.

When DR applied for statehood in the late 1860’s they were denied.

US has never backed DR and DR has significant trade deals with China. It’s called diplomacy. Some are good at it and some just suck

They should proudly live in America. What's wrong with that especially since America and France is dominating Haiti

 

[loyola llothta]

No disrespect but I only see these comments from those who have no intention of fixing Haiti, have no solution to fixing Haiti, and are comfortably living abroad from Haiti.

There is nothing Dominicans want more than a stable Haiti .

That’s false. DR help create the current situation in Haiti. DR assisted in the 2004 Coup by helping the “rebels”(former Haitian military CIA trained officers) who ousted the president in 2004 … which help put in Haiti in the current situation (put them under the US proxy UN occupation)

I salute Jamaica. Cuba. Venezuela. South Africa for trying to help during that time though

 

[Brehvity3135]

Is your minimal linkage to Taino ancestry a base for your supposed Dominican superiority over Haitians?

We all know the importance of tying your people to be indigenous to the land.

Hell some black American groups proudly call themselves indigenous to the land because they arrived before America was formed. I vehemently disagree with this language and the use of indigenous but I understand the intent.

That’s not what indigenous means to me.

That’s why the “honoring of Taíno indians” is important in places like PR, DR.

My point was that’s part of the thought process in Haitian identity when genetically it’s disproven and timeline it’s disproven.