" don't wait to start acting like her man when u see another doing it" thoughts brehs?

[WELLDONE]

You don't have a man bytch. Stop being delusional. Your father has a thot for a daughter. That's the worst ether a man can ever experience. He's probably ashamed of you. That's IF you know who he is

jesus christ

 

[karim]

Marriage Rates Are Near Their Lowest Levels In History — Here's Why
Check number 5. Lower marriage rates due to more women leaving home for the work force.

they list 5 reasons, only one of which has to do with traditional gender roles. also, the notion that woman now have greater social, political and economic freedom contradicts your claim that things were better when men and woman adhered to traditional gender roles (unless you meant better for men, which would still be debatable). your argument ignores that and the other four reasons mentioned for low marriage rates. and you didn't even try to substantiate your other claims (fewer std's, less homosexuals etc.).

 

[#SOG_soldier]

how exactly has history proven that it is better that way?

Name a successful society in which men were not the collective leaders. Even with a woman at helm the empires all have been patriarchal

 

[Rack4K]

they list 5 reasons, only one of which has to do with traditional gender roles. also, the notion that woman now have greater social, political and economic freedom contradicts your claim that things were better when men and woman adhered to traditional gender roles (unless you meant better for men, which would still be debatable). your argument ignores that and the other four reasons mentioned for low marriage rates. and you didn't even try to substantiate your other claims (fewer std's, less homosexuals etc.).

You asked for cause and effect, which I substantiated for marriage solely because lower marriage (and monogamy) are the cause of all the other things I mentioned with the exception of homosexualty and sexual-fluidity, which are rejections of gender norms innately.

Greater social, political and economic freedom have been great for women. I didn't imply otherwise. It hasn't been great for the family structure in our society or relationships.

 

[karim]

Name a successful society in which men were not the collective leaders. Even with a woman at helm the empires all have been patriarchal

seriously, that's your argument? i could use the same logic to defend slavery

 

[karim]

You asked for cause and effect, which I substantiated for marriage solely because lower marriage (and monogamy) are the cause of all the other things I mentioned with the exception of homosexualty and sexual-fluidity, which are rejections of gender norms innately.

Greater social, political and economic freedom have been great for women. I didn't imply otherwise. It hasn't been great for the family structure in our society or relationships.

but you didn't substantiate it. i asked for cause and effect and you took a list of five reasons, only one of which had to do with traditional gender roles. if you wanted to substantiate cause and effect, you would need to proove that men not being the sole breadwinner was the main cause of lower marriage rates. and if you claim that things were better when traditional gender roles were more relevant, then you have to take greater freedom for woman into account. you might have a trade off, where more stable family structures were exchanged for greater individual freedom. in order to proove that things were better, we would have to define better (for example indicators for personal happiness, domestic violence etc.) and then try and compare the before and after. maybe people (stayed) married because they couldn't afford to live alone, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were happy or things were better. there is a reason why gender roles changed, and that is that people felt oppressed by them. racists would probably point to 1950's America and claim that things were better when black people knew their place. they could point to lower crime rates, less unemployment and other things and argue that black people don't know how to deal with freedom as evidenced by black incarceration and murder rates and that they should return to their traditonal role, which is serving the white man. that's the same logic you're using here.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

seriously, that's your argument? i could use the same logic to defend slavery

Slavery is not a bad thing. Racism is a good tool to use if the moor enslaved cacs instead of helping them they would have done the world a good service

 

[karim]

Slavery is not a bad thing. Racism is a good tool to use if the moor enslaved cacs instead of helping them they would have done the world a good service

sure

 

[#SOG_soldier]

sure

Most great empires practice slavery

 

[Rack4K]

but you didn't substantiate it. i asked for cause and effect and you took a list of five reasons, only one of which had to do with traditional gender roles. if you wanted to substantiate cause and effect, you would need to proove that men not being the sole breadwinner was the main cause of lower marriage rates.

You would need to prove that I said it was the main cause. Find that quote if you can.

and if you claim that things were better when traditional gender roles were more relevant, then you have to take greater freedom for woman into account. you might have a trade off, where more stable family structures were exchanged for greater individual freedom. in order to proove that things were better, we would have to define better (for example indicators for personal happiness, domestic violence etc.) and then try and compare the before and after.maybe people (stayed) married because they couldn't afford to live alone, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were happy or things were better. there is a reason why gender roles changed, and that is that people felt oppressed by them

Personal happiness can't be measured statistically and domestic violence doesn't have data going back that far (the numbers start in the 80s, where they've proved steady with the exception of a huge spike in the 90s)
https://fullfact.org/sites/fullfact.org/files/styles/large/public/domestic abuse 3.jpg?itok=SJ9NqJFT
This is a thread about relationships so when I say 'better', I'm speaking in terms of relationships. There's no objective, data-based way to determine relationship success better than marriage.

racists would probably point to 1950's America and claim that things were better when black people knew their place. they could point to lower crime rates, less unemployment and other things and argue that black people don't know how to deal with freedom as evidenced by black incarceration and murder rates and that they should return to their traditonal role, which is serving the white man. that's the same logic you're using here.

Blacks serve the white man today now more than ever so poor analogy.

 

[JackRoss]

oh the irony, youre more likely to share that bytch then he is. facts.

You don't know life and you dislike women in your spare time.... Keep acting Like you ain't the hoe or hoes I speak on... You are a p*ssy

 

[WELLDONE]

You don't know life and you dislike women in your spare time.... Keep acting Like you ain't the hoe or hoes I speak on... You are a p*ssy

you just admitted you dont have any experience with women, i can tell you have no father too, or he was wet behind the ears like yourself young man.