Dr. Boyce and Dr. Umar seem to be beefing (7 days left of the year and he's still making videos)

[Deutsche Bank]

dude's plan for that school was on some weirdo ambiguous shyt though. I'm not against it...but the whole presentation was shoddy

Dudes and chicks clamoring for a black leader in a pathological extension of a search for an adequate father figure. This is why a lotta fukkers start calling people white supremacist racial epithets when you question the motives and raw data associated with these cats' plans. To them, you're talking bad about they daddy. That's how dangerous nationalistic fervor in the post-industrial age is, because it turns into psychotic delusion which stifles progress and prevents effective solutions that can benefit the collective group.

These negroes are actually a giant waste of time in the long run, with wholly unrealistic plans that make not a lick of sense, which is why they cling to nationalism to leech funds from their community. It's just to keep brehs segregated from their more upwardly mobile counterparts through preoccupation with nationalistic pride. Thirteen percent of the population with 2.7% of the nation's wealth don't have a fukking prayer in achieving massively significant upward mobility through nationalistic segregation. But these dudes won't tell you that because their purpose is not to uplift the black community, but rather to scam hoodwinked negroes and uplift themselves, instead.

Assimilation with a passive regard for cultural tradition is the key to a racial minority acquiring a decent share of wealth in a country. Basically, if a Chinese family were to move into Claude Anderson's "Africatown", they would have a whole lot more success assimilating with blacks rather than engaging in peculiar Chinese customs and traditions and nationalistic fervor. These dudes know this, but they won't tell blacks this, because then they can't sell you a bullshyt dream and appear to be some sort of heroic father figure to their community.

Plus I'm half drunk.

 

[EndDomination]

Dr Watkins has always came across as more reasonable and level headed on most issues so.....

On all issues pretty much.
He also doesn't hide behind ambiguity or transparent ideology.
A lot less misogyny and homophobia from him too.
He also has a real doctorate.
And real publications.
Why are we even comparing an actual PhD with a guy who calls himself "the New Marcus Garvey" but doesn't even know the history of the Blackline

 

[EndDomination]

Nah someone needs to shut Umar up. we can`t have hypocrites, creeps and shady people trying to be role models.

And this is a legitimate issue, he is clearly not 100% straight, he is both flip-floppy, vague, and full of vitriol, especially toward Black women.
There are plenty of Black men who could take his place, and would fill the position without controversy.

 

[EndDomination]

I hate seeing this play out in front of everyone. We need unity.

Nah, we need to get rid of Umar Johnson entirely, I'd rather deal with the Nation of Islam than with him, at least they were honest w/ a plan.

 

[EndDomination]

I don't think that's our problem. We debate and rhetoric every single thing to death.

I just seen a preacher get eviscerated by Roland Martin, the preacher had no where else to go with his opinion cause all he had to offer was that same mumbo jumbo about what the Lord and the Holy Spirit will provide to his "children."

Boyce Watkins is really no different, I watched a couple of his videos and can't say I got anything from it, and he does his workshop hustle in Hotel conference rooms.

I honestly feel any change that comes will come from the under 30 crowd, and the completely pro-black like Umar and Dr. Claude Anderson

Black Lives Matter started with 20 year olds, the old folks have not done us any good for the past 50 years, its always been the youth that keeps trying to keep things progressing.

Umar isn't completely pro-Black.
He's pro-Black man, and he's pro-(certain kinds of) Black women.
Really, people like Michelle Alexander should be at the forefront of all of this. People with clear agendas, impressive work to back up their activism, and a very direct way of dealing with people, with no foolishness.

 

[EndDomination]

First Black People need to stop thinking you have to choose sides when there's a disagreement between 2 parties. WTF. We're so lost. We divide and conquer ourselves.






Exactly.

He might be smashing these chicks or he's a simp. That super lightskin chick was going at Farrakhan the God and he didn't shut her up. I like Boyce but you can't let anyone talk reckless like that. Black people are so fragile and so easily turned off. Just look at @agnosticlady. She thinks Umar should quit trying to help Blacks bcuz he slept with a hooker.

He needs to keep he's people on the same page as him. Fox News might be fukked up, but they're on the same page. That's where power and unity comes from.



Right. There's a wrong and right way to ask a question. She made Umar get defensive.







Why do you all expect perfection for these men? You do think a man can have great ideas and sleep with a whore?

So this man should stop trying to help the Race bcuz he slept with a whore?



For some reason Blacks don't know how to "eat the meat and throw away the bone" Take the good and threw out what you can't use. A person says or does one thing you don't like and he's absolutely no good and should quit. WTF! we are done!

How am I supposed to respect "The Prince of Pan-Africanism" if he can't even control himself?
He's out here preaching pro-Blackness, "melanin-love," and a host of other things, but he's having promiscuous sex w/ random women.
We aren't expecting "perfection" we're just not expecting complete stupidity, coupled with a shoddy message, vague answers, lies, and no real body of work to back up everything he says.
I'd put Cornell West over this guy, at least I see Cornell in the streets damn near every day, constantly working.

 

[BiggWebb79]

I'm not choosing between these two. They need Umar need to check the ego at the door for the greater good of empowering black people.

 

[Stuntone]

How am I supposed to respect "The Prince of Pan-Africanism" if he can't even control himself?
He's out here preaching pro-Blackness, "melanin-love," and a host of other things, but he's having promiscuous sex w/ random women.
We aren't expecting "perfection" we're just not expecting complete stupidity, coupled with a shoddy message, vague answers, lies, and no real body of work to back up everything he says.
I'd put Cornell West over this guy, at least I see Cornell in the streets damn near every day, constantly working.

Who doesn't sleep with random women? MLK did. All the Presidents.



You dudes just keep praying to White Jesus to help.

 

[EndDomination]

Dr.Umar's F.D.M.G St Paul's Fund
4,228
4.2k
4,228 people like this campaign

PHILADELPHIA, PA EDUCATION

$233,053 of $4.0M


I'm don't know if Umar's a crook or not, but you aren't starting a Burger with $233,053 nowadays, let alone a school.


You can tell this chick did no research, I just went to his gofundme page and saw he only has gotten 233k or 4 million.


First, she says she hasn't seen a business plan, like he suppose to look her up no name azz up and show her.

Then she says how he just asked for money with no plan just because he's Umar Johnson, pretty much calling him a fraud and/or idiot and expect him not to get upset and question a nobody's questions.


I like Dr. Boyce and Umar, I will not choose sides. I do feel like Dr Boyce shouldn't let these women say anything under his name.

He could very easily start a loosely-organized online day school.
At the very least a Saturday school, w/ tutoring for inner-city/rural Black kids.
He's not even trying, he's touring around the country instead of building. If he can't get the money, he needs to build with his bare hands until he makes progress.
Its like people don't even want to try anymore.
I run a tutoring program in my school's neighborhood right now with about 80-100 students, and we get $200/year in funding from my school.
I can only imagine what could be done with a few hundred thousand.

 

[EndDomination]

Who doesn't sleep with random women? MLK did. All the Presidents.



You dudes just keep praying to White Jesus to help.

I'm atheist.
I don't sleep with random women.
Malcolm X met Betty Shabazz in '55, and his record was so clean afterward that J. Edgar Hoover couldn't even find a scrap of dirt on him.
Its not had to show self-control. If he's going to talk about it, he needs to be about it. Don't talk down on a specific type of Black woman, if that's the woman you're going to pursue for sexual favours afterward.
And I don't use "all the Presidents" for example. All but one of them was White, and the majority were racists.

 

[Stuntone]

He could very easily start a loosely-organized online day school.
At the very least a Saturday school, w/ tutoring for inner-city/rural Black kids.
He's not even trying, he's touring around the country instead of building. If he can't get the money, he needs to build with his bare hands until he makes progress.
Its like people don't even want to try anymore.
I run a tutoring program in my school's neighborhood right now with about 80-100 students, and we get $200/year in funding from my school.
I can only imagine what could be done with a few hundred thousand.

Dude said a "Loosely-organized online day school?"


No disrespect, but you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about or what Umar plan is/was.

1.So you think you can get some grade-school kids to sit home alone and take online classes?


2.Umar is talking about an academy were kids are there 24 hours 5 days a week. I believe his is way over his head in this. It would be easier to convert an older school than to create a new.

3. You know the type of regulations and red tape come with beginning a new private academy? There aren't many that aren't over 50 years old. And this isn't something you loosely organize.

 

[Stuntone]

I'm atheist.
I don't sleep with random women.
Malcolm X met Betty Shabazz in '55, and his record was so clean afterward that J. Edgar Hoover couldn't even find a scrap of dirt on him.
Its not had to show self-control. If he's going to talk about it, he needs to be about it. Don't talk down on a specific type of Black woman, if that's the woman you're going to pursue for sexual favours afterward.
And I don't use "all the Presidents" for example. All but one of them was White, and the majority were racists.

Show me where Dr Umar says he doesn't sleep with random women? I've heard him give advice to women seeking a husband.

Are you a feminist or something? There has always been women around solely for men sexual pleasures. Most straight men participate in casual sex nowadays. I don't see that as a problem for any leader to have a mistress on the side or whatever, doesn't effect the mission at all. Actually I think it's helpful.

 

[agnosticlady]

I listened to Ms. LLoyd and Dr. Boyce and they both made valid points. I have been questioning this since the original donate to his school thread ( @bdizzle thread) I donated $300 in the early stages where my money is going or went I dont know, but asking the common question of a business plan or progress brings the worst outta of Umar which to me seems like the milk aint clean.

I went in on a couple of posters questioning his character on here after the stripper thing and now realize they were right in their observations (@HankHill my bad you called it) Dude is a fraud and we basically funding his trips to various places across the world and whatever vices we dont know he possibly have behind closed doors. I love his idea of an Afrocentric school which is why I supported him, but blocking folks on twitter and making goofy ass memes as a grown ass man who is asking people to support your cause, with no receipts, and this shyt is going on 2 years now, I dont respect it nor respect calling him Dr. when I see no receipts of that either.

I'm atheist.
I don't sleep with random women.
Malcolm X met Betty Shabazz in '55, and his record was so clean afterward that J. Edgar Hoover couldn't even find a scrap of dirt on him.
Its not had to show self-control. If he's going to talk about it, he needs to be about it. Don't talk down on a specific type of Black woman, if that's the woman you're going to pursue for sexual favours afterward.
And I don't use "all the Presidents" for example. All but one of them was White, and the majority were racists.

Thank you! It's like people are thinking that we are judging Umar for having sex. Who cares about him having sex If he was having sex with some Claire huxtable, Michelle Obama, Mae Jemison, and other classy black women that are out there it wouldn't even make news. NOBODY cares about him having sex. It's deeper than the whole sex thing. He could have 200 wives and I still wouldn't care as long as it is all consenting. The thing is that he was happily and willingly messing around with the same type of black woman he tells black women not to be like. It's one thing if in the messages he was having internal conflict, but he wasn't. It just came off as, "In front of people...I preach one thing, but behind closed doors I'll do other stuff". He can sleep with all the blonde weave strippers he wants to, but don't preach to black women about getting our lives together if that's what you're messing with even though there are plenty of black women who are classy/educated who would enjoy being with him.

Secondly if you NEED the public's money to fund a project then PLEASE show proof such as blueprints, 5 year business plans, where the kids will sleep, whether or not background checks will be done, how the kids will eat, clothing, books, school supplies, and etc. How is it absurd to ask for things like this?

 

[GunRanger]

does umar ever go to protests?

 

[Osmosis]

Don't ask for specifics.

Can you c00ns stop dapping this cac?