Dr.Dre "2001" VS. Reasonable Doubt

[mobbinfms]

This is irrelevant.

 

[mobbinfms]

On 2001 theres more "hits" that will be remembered by more people. Im talking about "Next Episode" or "Still DRE".

This is irrelevant.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Naah - 2001 is a classic - that wack line that I never fully appreciated and all.

I was still on the West Coast and this album was appreciated by everyone that liked hip hop and then even beyond that. Street, suburb, it didn't matter. If the streets in Philly wasn't rocking with 2001 - then that's the streets in Philly's loss.

you just proved my point. you were on the west coast.

its not just philly homie. lol.

Yup the album didn't help launch anyone into stardom or help out any careers, it's not what it's made out to be....
It didn't help launch Eminem into super stardom.
It didn't help take Xzibit from Ras Kass Jr status to a house hold name.
It didn't breath new life into Snoop's career and make him 'cool' in the mainstream again.
It didn't launch Scott Storch into stardom and highly sought after for production by everyone from Timbaland to 50 Cent.
It didn't do any of this because well, Dre and Hitman had a falling out so he didn't blow up. Trumps it all.
On a side note the cross over line was a basketball reference and a movie reference, it's a double entendre, ironically enough while you guys are comparing Reasonable Doubt and 2001. That is why the line before it is "Oh yeah I scream on stars" you should probably...you know....listen to music instead of just skim through it?

youre just repeating the same stuff that already got shot done.

and what movie was he referencing exactly with that kareem line? LOL.

 

[mobbinfms]

you just proved my point. you were on the west coast.

its not just philly homie. lol.



youre just repeating the same stuff that already got shot done.

and what movie was he referencing exactly with that kareem line? LOL.

The point is any area that wasn't rocking with 2001 was missing out.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The point is any area that wasn't rocking with 2001 was missing out.

im not saying that other areas weren't rockin with it. just not on THAT level.

nobody was missing out. its considered a hot album, but it just wasn't a highly-decorated album in the streets outside of the west for the most part.

people in here(not you) trying to give it the chronic treatment and its just hilarious.

Maybe it's cause im older but listening through 2001 since i saw this thread & this is an extremely generic gangsta rap album, there's so many cliches it's almost borderline paradoy. This is why Detox is never coming out. 50 year olds can't do gangsta rap & Dre has shown he isn't capable of doing much outside of it.

GREAT POST.

this album was so dam outdated and tacky when it dropped. that and all the marginal guest appearances had me like

take away all the mainstream hype, and this album is really just your typical sophomore slump that's not bad, but would get the trash treatment anyway. I remember waiting YEARS for this album, only to give it the "THIS CHIT LIGHT" reaction when I finally heard it. im glad that something told me to dub it instead of actually buying it.

 

[Reign X]

I'll readily admit that at the time that both albums dropped, 2001 had a bigger impact in terms of how it was viewed by the public and, of course, sales. RD didn't have a huge impact on hip hop - in the way that Illmatic did - but it was influential. Whenever I listen to the Clipse - for example - I see RD's influence.

It was Written was similar - and OBFCL is considered the first Mafioso album from NY - but both albums can easily be distinguished from the subject matter of RD. when did I say 2001 helped no one? And how does thinking its not a production masterpiece equate to hating on the beats? Did you not read the very post of mine you quoted where I referred to 2001 as a classic numerous times?

You ducked my question if whether the second half of 2001 is as good as the first half, and we both know why you ducked it.

You originally said 2001 had a minor impact. So now if it had a bigger impact then RD when it dropped, what impact did RD have when it dropped? None.

I said you hated on the beats because you said it was equal to rd in beats. RD is better lyrically but now you're gonna say that 2001 is classic but RD has equal beats? You have flip flopped a lot. What makes 2001 classic to you? Since you keep saying you consider it one but then keep down-playing it.

The first half of 2001 is better, and?

And people saying 2001 was only for the west coast. You think RD was bigger in the west coast, then 2001 was on the east? A lot of posters can't look past their region. This site is and always has been east coast biased.

 

[up in here]

Originally yes, but it gave it 5 mic 2 years later when they realized that the album wasn't an album strictly promoting violence and misogyny.

And this is why you shouldn't get your hip hop knowledge from Wikipedia, you will misinterpret things. RD rating got revised in 2002 along with a slew of other albums that didn't initially get 5 mics.

 

[mobbinfms]

You originally said 2001 had a minor impact. So now if it had a bigger impact then RD when it dropped, what impact did RD have when it dropped? None.

I said you hated on the beats because you said it was equal to rd in beats. RD is better lyrically but now you're gonna say that 2001 is classic but RD has equal beats? You have flip flopped a lot. What makes 2001 classic to you? Since you keep saying you consider it one but then keep down-playing it.

The first half of 2001 is better, and?

And people saying 2001 was only for the west coast. You think RD was bigger in the west coast, then 2001 was on the east? A lot of posters can't look past their region. This site is and always has been east coast biased.

Impact isn't limited to when a record drops. In fact, the influence of a record is best viewed years after the record releases.

My original comment regarding impact was in the context of comparing the two records and wondering how anyone could believe 2001 was hands down better when RD was better lyrically and the beats were even. My original comment was essentially "this isn't a genre changing record like its predecessor - it didn't have a big impact on the direction of hip hop - so people couldn't be looking to impact to determine that 2001 was better".

You're hating on RD's beats to take offense to my comment about the beats being even.

What's makes 2001 classic? The songs! And I've never downplayed the record, I never said it was wack. I don't think it's a masterpiece. If you think that's downplaying then that's on you.

The first half being clearly better shows that the album isn't this perfect production masterpiece that you claim it to be.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

And people saying 2001 was only for the west coast. You think RD was bigger in the west coast, then 2001 was on the east? A lot of posters can't look past their region. This site is and always has been east coast biased.

edit: had to restructure post. lol.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

And people saying 2001 was only for the west coast. You think RD was bigger in the west coast, then 2001 was on the east? A lot of posters can't look past their region. This site is and always has been east coast biased.

1. east coast has the most delegates, as someone said on here a while back.
2. dre 2001 was a mega-mainstream release. everybody heard it. theres really no excuse for it to mostly be considered a classic in the streets of just one coast. its just nothing more than a regional classic. nothing more to say really.

 

[Gizza]

Jay aint even the best outta BK let alone NYC Pun,L,Biggie,Nas,rakim/kool g rap top 5 LMFAO! Fuk I say Blacc Album his best work. I was drivin home listening to "LIG" by Nas n thought "if he wasnt monotone wit a bland personality I like his style since im into double entendre n metaphors n write in that style" ya b*stards!

 

[up in here]

How old is this thread?

 

[ROFL_GUY]

How old is this thread?

15months

im outta bud


gtta wait till 830


sippin coronas with 2001 on till its time

 

[Nuuko]

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