MexicanKingpin
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2001 xplosive > any song on rd
Dr.Dre "2001" VS. Reasonable Doubt
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Housewife shouldn't be anywhere near that list. Nothing wrong with Akrite or bytch nikkaz. Murda Ink and Bang Bang match the songs perfectly.
To those saying 2001 had minimal impact, what cd brought back the west coast for a few years? Restless? The Last Meal? And what impact did RD have? That cd didn't launch Jay into being a star. Bleek didn't blow up off it. Sales were nothing special. No groundbreaking concepts. How did it change the game?
The crisp/clean sound on 2001 was some next level shyt. Bringing together all those different features and none sounded out of place. Name a weak feature, Dre is a perfectionist and it showed.
ManBearPig
half man half bearpig
Dead Presidents wasn't on Reasonable Doubt?
lol @ "to get loot and crossover like kareem Abdul-Jabbar".
horrible.
lines like that pretty much personify why this is mostly an album for tackheads.
Naah - 2001 is a classic - that wack line that I never fully appreciated and all.
I was still on the West Coast and this album was appreciated by everyone that liked hip hop and then even beyond that. Street, suburb, it didn't matter. If the streets in Philly wasn't rocking with 2001 - then that's the streets in Philly's loss.
it was an everything classic, thats an album that cant be relegated to some inferior status like RD, which was an afterthought when it dropped
eminem went from 3 million on SSLP to 10 million with MMLP, 2001 was that stepping stone up
they both benfited each other dre and em
yall can argue this retarded azz argument of RD being more influential than 2001 all you want
im done with this thread yall keeptho
So now Em and Dre both benefitted each other? Why don't you just admit that you took it too far with this "2001 made Eminem's career" argument? The truth is that Eminem helped 2001 go 7x plat. You made that argument yourself!
I don't understand why people gotta shyt on RD to boost 2001. Both are classics.
Yup the album didn't help launch anyone into stardom or help out any careers, it's not what it's made out to be....
It didn't help launch Eminem into super stardom.
It didn't help take Xzibit from Ras Kass Jr status to a house hold name.
It didn't breath new life into Snoop's career and make him 'cool' in the mainstream again.
It didn't launch Scott Storch into stardom and highly sought after for production by everyone from Timbaland to 50 Cent.
It didn't do any of this because well, Dre and Hitman had a falling out so he didn't blow up. Trumps it all.
On a side note the cross over line was a basketball reference and a movie reference, it's a double entendre, ironically enough while you guys are comparing Reasonable Doubt and 2001. That is why the line before it is "Oh yeah I scream on stars" you should probably...you know....listen to music instead of just skim through it?
I think we've already established that 2001 didn't make Eminem. If you've got the sales figures to show otherwise - please share them.
@Homeboy Runny-Ray debunked the Xzibit and Snoop-Dre reunion arguments. Why are they being advanced still? I don't understand why we all can't be reasonable about this?
"Nothing Wrong" and "Match the Beats" doesn't equal production masterpiece! Are you arguing the second half of the album is as good as the first half?
RD established Jay as a force to e core audience - which is all that matters anyhow. Otherwise why not make a thread that Country Grammer was a more street album then RD.
I already explained that Jay was the first to really run with the whole high level drug dealer concept. It was one of the most psychological albums to date as well.
No one is saying 2001 is wack.
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Established Jay as a force to the core audience. That's weak. I can easily spin that and say 2001 re-established Dre as a star. Just admit 2001 had a bigger impact. RD when it dropped wasn't viewed as a classic and was overshadowed by other cd's. 2001 wasn't going to be overlooked, no matter who dropped that year.
It was written came out like a week or two after RD and had a similar concept. Wonder how that happened. Oh ya, NY rap shifted towards that well before either dropped. Rae should get some credit, no?
It's funny how you just say 2001 helped no one. You really think that cd did little to help the careers of Xzibit and Storch? The hype for a Xzibit solo was a lot bigger after 2001. Maybe not to the core audience, but you don't go platinum plus off a core audience.
You really still don't think 2001 is a production masterpiece? I've never met anyone that hated on the beats for 2001. Lyrics, sure. People on this site just like being different, for the sake of being different.
ArchStanton
All Star
No. The Source gave it 4 mics. Classic reviews : Reasonable Doubt in The Source (1996) | Press Rewind If I Haven't...
And XXL wasn't even published back then to review it.
wow jay drops an album and all the butt hurt homos need to try to tear him down...don't mean sh1t though jay still the king of hip hop
Umm no. Dre's impact on Hip Hop>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jays
Originally yes, but it gave it 5 mic 2 years later when they realized that the album wasn't an album strictly promoting violence and misogyny.
No indie album was getting 5/5 back then and if you look at the source specifically you will see that the 10 best album that got 4 and 4.5 originally are better than the ones that got 5/5 from the get go.
Chronic, Doggystyle, 36 Chambers, Reasonable Doubt, OB4CL, AEOM, Death Certificate, The Infamous >>> People's Instinctive travels, Let the rhythm hit them, De La soul is dead, Life after Death, Illmatic, One For all, Aquemeni and Low end theory..
Imo
and the common denominator of the albums that originally didn't get 5 mics is that they were street dudes, while the ones that got 5 mics originally weren't besides Big (which he received after death).
I'll readily admit that at the time that both albums dropped, 2001 had a bigger impact in terms of how it was viewed by the public and, of course, sales. RD didn't have a huge impact on hip hop - in the way that Illmatic did - but it was influential. Whenever I listen to the Clipse - for example - I see RD's influence.
It was Written was similar - and OBFCL is considered the first Mafioso album from NY - but both albums can easily be distinguished from the subject matter of RD. when did I say 2001 helped no one? And how does thinking its not a production masterpiece equate to hating on the beats? Did you not read the very post of mine you quoted where I referred to 2001 as a classic numerous times?
You ducked my question if whether the second half of 2001 is as good as the first half, and we both know why you ducked it.
Cube got 5 too - and Illmatic wasn't street?
CHAIN
All Star
Smh @ this shyt
And RD received 5 mics in 2002. Along with OB4CL, the chronic, All Eyez on Me and a bunch of other classics.
And RD received 5 mics in 2002. Along with OB4CL, the chronic, All Eyez on Me and a bunch of other classics.
Maybe it's cause im older but listening through 2001 since i saw this thread & this is an extremely generic gangsta rap album, there's so many cliches it's almost borderline paradoy. This is why Detox is never coming out. 50 year olds can't do gangsta rap & Dre has shown he isn't capable of doing much outside of it.