Dr.Dre "2001" VS. Reasonable Doubt
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Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
How does an album that sells 7 million fuking records have a minor impact?
Eminem was at 3 million with his first album, 10 million with his second one. The difference was Forgot About Dre
at the end of the day this entire argument is irrelevant, because what the fukkk did RD influence? Did RD even influence Marcy projects?
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RD got 4 mics from the Source. XXL didn't even exist.
Sales are irrelevant - especially given the OP's assertion that one album is a better "street album" then the other.
This is a strange comparison. RD was the work of one artist - it was an album with a cohesive theme. 2001 was the work of many different people and did not have a cohesive theme.
Neither album is perfect. 2001 starts to fall off in terms of quality after Next Episode. RD has some beats that don't stand out quite like the standouts.
Still - in terms of lyrics - I don't see how this doesn't go to RD? What are the stellar verses on 2001? Sure - its a relatively well written album from start to finish - but are we really comparing it to Jay in his lyrical prime?
Production is about even as well Both albums were very well produced. But not perfect.
Which album was better engineered with better "sonics" is completely irrelevant.
So what is the case for 2001 then? What was the lasting impact of 2001? The original Chronic transformed the game - but what did 2001 do?
2001 beats
even till this day
Why didn't Xzibit sell an additional 7 million albums then?
What about Snoop? Kurupt?
If 2001 alone caused Eminem to sell an additional 7 million albums - why did it only have that impact on him?
RD was one of the first albums that dealt exclusively in the extremely wealthy drug lord character. Other emcees had touched on this theme here and ther - but Jay took it and ran with it. And it's still the dominant trope in the music.
I disagree!
How every if you wanna say 2001 was better I wouldn't blame u, I mean he came out the gate with "Next Episode" which was entirely written by Jay-Z. Plus various track written by an in his prime Eminem. Not to mention all the other people that ghost wrote and ghost produced for the album
How every if you wanna say 2001 was better I wouldn't blame u, I mean he came out the gate with "Next Episode" which was entirely written by Jay-Z. Plus various track written by an in his prime Eminem. Not to mention all the other people that ghost wrote and ghost produced for the album
NYK Loyalist
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This comparison makes no sense at all and the OP probably wasn't even listening to hip hop when these albums came out
Production is about the same?
2001 beats
I'll give 2001 another listen soon. It's definitely a very well produced album and I can see how people would prefer it over RD.
So are people shytting on RD's production? Or do you consider 2001 to be this perfect production masterpiece?
To me - the most well produced allum of all time is either the Infamous or Midnight Marauders.
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
Forgot about Dre took em to the next level. U may not remember when that shyt dropped but dres album sales jumped immediately after that shyt dropped.
Xzibit wasn't featured on no singles but yet his album sold 5x what his last one did because of Dre affiliation
If u wanna sit here and argue an album that sold 400,000 records in the mid 90s rapping about the same shyt damn near every rapper from his city already did, u go ahead and do that
Like I said u jay z Stan's exist in some fukkin bizarro world, I ain't trying to join u there
It's not a knock on RD. Production wise, 2001 is a masterpiece.
And of course 2001 had an impact. Even Kanye took from it,
"And at that time, like the drums really weren't soundin right to me
So I went and um, I was listening to Dre "Chronic 2001" at that time
And really I just, like bit the drums off "Xxplosive" "
Forgot about Dre took em to the next level. U may not remember when that shyt dropped but dres album sales jumped immediately after that shyt dropped.
Xzibit wasn't featured on no singles but yet his album sold 5x what his last one did because of Dre affiliation
If u wanna sit here and argue an album that sold 400,000 records in the mid 90s rapping about the same shyt damn near every rapper from his city already did, u go ahead and do that
Like I said u jay z Stan's exist in some fukkin bizarro world, I ain't trying to join u there
So are you arguing that Em caused 2001 to sell then? Doesn't that torpedo your whole argument?
Dre affiliation is different from 2001.
If your saying I'm a Jay Stan ill take it as a compliment - usually people are saying I'm a Nas stan so this something different for me.
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
Breh, Eminem was triple platinum when Dre 2001 came out. For fukks sake, Dre mentions it in the single (he's triple platinum, doing 50 a week) to selling 9 million next go 'round. 2001 sold 7 million albums. Just logically, using numbers, you can see it helped boost him to super stardom. 3 -> 7 -> 9
Only back packers and people from the Westcoast knew who Xzibit was like that. He turned into a multi platinum artists.
It put Aftermath records on the map as far as a 'heavy weight' in the industry and stayed that way for a while.
The crisp sound, that perfect mix down, became what everyone wanted after that album came out. So much so that the main thing Dre has done on records since is mix them down for artists. And even DJ Quik gets his trickle down work now
Scott Storch became a house hold name off the album.
The biggest duo in the 90s known as Dre and Snoop were fully restored as 'Dre And Snoop' after this album.
Kanye West has openly admitted to using Dre's drums from Xxplosive and completely biting his sound on The Dynasty album.
Do I really need to go on?
bytch nikkaz
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Are not masterpiece level production wise.
Good point about Kanye. He did bite the drums from Xxplosive. But let's not act like 2001 was the template for his production style. I don't remember any sped up vocal samples on that album.
Breh, Eminem was triple platinum when Dre 2001 came out. For fukks sake, Dre mentions it in the single (he's triple platinum, doing 50 a week) to selling 9 million next go 'round. 2001 sold 7 million albums. Just logically, using numbers, you can see it helped boost him to super stardom. 3 -> 7 -> 9
Only back packers and people from the Westcoast knew who Xzibit was like that. He turned into a multi platinum artists.
It put Aftermath records on the map as far as a 'heavy weight' in the industry and stayed that way for a while.
The crisp sound, that perfect mix down, became what everyone wanted after that album came out. So much so that the main thing Dre has done on records since is mix them down for artists. And even DJ Quik gets his trickle down work now
Scott Storch became a house hold name off the album.
The biggest duo in the 90s known as Dre and Snoop were fully restored as 'Dre And Snoop' after this album.
Kanye West has openly admitted to using Dre's drums from Xxplosive and completely biting his sound on The Dynasty album.
Do I really need to go on?
Triple Platinum was hugely successful for a rapper in 1999. MMLP sold like it did because Eminem appealed even more directly to the TRL fan base with the real slim shady. Are you seriously tryi g to argue that if Em wasn't on 2001 then MMLP only goes triple plat? Just because Em was on 2001 you can't attribute all of his success to that. MMLP was as successful as it was for a multitude of reasons - 2001 was a negligible factor.
Xzibit - to my knowledge - went plat once - due to his Dre single and Dre affiliation. And genetal attempt to cross over. Lets not act like if he had dropped What You See is What You Get part 2 he would have still gone plat due to 2001. His next album went gold. Do you have a source for Restless being multi plat?
Scott starch did make his name off that album - that's a good point.
Kanye produced one track on Dynasty.
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
Just because Em was on the lead single you can't attribute some of his success to that? Him working with the hottest producer coming off a multi platinum album didn't help grow his fan base? Okay. Im not trying to argue anything. It's a fact that 2001 helped boost Eminem. That Up In Smoke Tour was huge for his career and fan base.
If you think that Eminem blows up to unheard of levels with out 2001 and the tour it spawned you are sadly mistaken.
He almost went double platinum with Restless and Man Vs Machine went gold. That's more than 2 million sold. He also was in all those Aftermath affiliated movies like The Wash and 8 mile. Acting like he didn't 'blow up' after 2001 is a joke.
Sadly theres still people on this board who never heard his early work and how good it really is.
Right. And that one track he produced? He said he bit from Xxplosive. Influencing the biggest producer in the last 10 years is quite an impact, wouldn't you agree?
"'Xxplosive', off 2001, that's [where] I got my entire sound from—if you listen to the track, it's got a soul beat, but it's done with those heavy Dre drums. Listen to "This Can't Be Life," a track I did for Jay-Z's Dynasty album, and then listen to "Xxplosive". It's a direct bite."
But back to the original point....you are trying to split hairs with me on THREE examples of it being a record with a big impact. You conceded on two other ones. Your idea that it wasn't that big of an album and on par with Reasonable Doubt is just flat out wrong.
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