Dr. Ellis on Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West and the Black Cultural Crisis

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My questions:

Are the none achievers setting the tone for the Black race? Are the non-achievers the leaders in our community? If so, how did they become the voice of our race?

yes...they became the leaders through Negative propaganda & the Meritorious Manumission granted for doing such things.

While I agree with him for the most part, he is underestimating how much damage this Racism Propaganda campaign has done to us. The thing is...I don't really know how we can change it other than gaining more ownership in media
 
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He is spot on as it pertains to the cultural decline of black Americans. If he can use the word of God to reform some of these young men then more power to him. I would use a different approach but what does it matter if the desired outcome Is the same
 

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Black Americans live in the White supremacist country as an underclass and that will always be our fate.

I'm sorry but I disagree.
yes...they became the leaders through Negative propaganda & the Meritorious Manumission granted for doing such things.

While I agree with him for the most part, he is underestimating how much damage this Racism Propaganda campaign has done to us. The thing is...I don't really know how we can change it other than gaining more ownership in media

The non achievers and those the perpetuate this culture need to be exposed and ostracized. Yes, the propaganda machine is powerful but the use of propaganda is a two way street.
 

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Interview with Dr. Carl Ellis (professor at Westminter Theological Seminary) where he discusses Dyson, West missing what he feels is the true cultural crisis (low achievers setting the tone in the Black community). And in his view, an outdated model.

i disagree with him.
dr. cornel west tackles the white supremacy problem. he cannot tackle all of them. other leaders on other platforms can tackle the internal problems we have.

like i've heard dr cornel west say 'this is my lane. i'll deal with barack. it's not everyone's lane. you deal with another one'. it's not that he hates barack. infact he loves barack. (i don't.) he says he's just a "critic". but the hardcore left wingers just cannot live with barack criticism. he goes at barack because barack is the face of white supremacy.

so it's not that dr cornel west is "outdated".. the biggest problem in the black community is still white supremacy. they choose and give the dummies a platform to act on their c00nery and fukkery. the c00ns and "under achievers" then execute white supremacy on the black community. just like barack.
 
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The non achievers and those the perpetuate this culture need to be exposed and ostracized. Yes, the propaganda machine is powerful but the use of propaganda is a two way street.

ok...what methods could be used to do so?
 

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i disagree with him.
dr. cornel west tackles the white supremacy problem. he cannot tackle all of them. other leaders on other platforms can tackle the internal problems we have.

like i've heard dr cornel west say 'this is my lane. i'll deal with barack. it's not everyone's lane. you deal with another one'. it's not that he hates barack. infact he loves barack. (i don't.) he says he's just a "critic". but the hardcore left wingers just cannot live with barack criticism. he goes at barack because barack is the face of white supremacy.

so it's not that dr cornel west is "outdated".. the biggest problem in the black community is still white supremacy. they choose and give the dummies a platform to act on their c00nery and fukkery. the c00ns and "under achievers" then execute white supremacy on the black community. just like barack.
Are there black leaders who are tackling this lane since this is not dr. West job?
 
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A summary of the video:

Racism is still an issue (not nearly as much of an issue as it used to be). The bulk of the problem is a cultural crisis.

Felt that Cosby addressed the failures of the non achiever culture among us. Cosby used economic categories to identify the none achievers. He did acknowledge that maybe Cosby didn't use the right terminology, but understood where he was coming from.

He critiqued Dyson's critique that Cosby was just criticizing poor people. He felt that Dyson didn't get the message related to the culture of poverty.

He feels that while most AA, 88%, are achievers or have achiever values, a small minority lives by non achiever values. Generally, achievers set the trends and tones for everyone else; they are the leaders. However, He feels that the non achievers have become the dominant group/voice of blacks and that they sets the trends for us.


My questions:

Are the none achievers setting the tone for the Black race? Are the non-achievers the leaders in our community? If so, how did they become the voice of our race?

Thanks for the summary
I'm tired of the common tactic "acknowledging to dismiss," when it comes to racism
Either you believe racism exist or not. Save the half azz acknowledgement but then proceed to critique black folks within an isolated environment by dismissing the obstacles that only institutional racism can create

If you really believe that the wealth imbalance is due to black folks hanging on the corner, then you've been taught wrong, brain washed, and you lack the perspective to rationally critique blacks folks


Both Cosby and Farrakhan critique black folks for the same shyt....but why are their opinions accepted differently? simply...one proved he has the guts, knowledge, and perspective to rationally critique any community accordingly, while the other have followed the blue print of cherry picking which community to critique, while ignoring blatant racist tactics in his own industry
Dr. Dyson was correct in calling out Cosby for his critique which either lacked perspective OR utilized the "acknowledging to dismiss" tactic

Personal responsibility means nothing without societal responsibility, and vice versa
You can't focus your blame solely on a certain black demographics, while ignoring the camera operator, the entertainer, the prison industrial complex, the director, and the education system, just to name a few other entities that contributes to the existence of certain black demographics

My main problem with folks who focus on certain demographics of the black community is that in a different instance, those same folks would co-sign the antics of the demographics if it benefits them
For example:

Entertainers:
-Rick Ross to Jennifer Lopez goes back to the hood periodically for a new project, to capitalize off the stereotype and conditions for an edgier promotion
-Marlon Wayne and Lord Jamal twitter exchange. Marlon used every hood stereotype towards Jamal, but yet he has and will use those same stereotypes in his movies


Regular person:
-Dudes raised in the suburbs using hood characteristics when trying to seem edgy for some poosay, but then shytting on those black folks who satisfy certain hood characteristics
-A black colleague of mine, would switch up between striving to prove he's a safe negro to some white colleagues and mimicking hood characteristics when the topic among the same white colleagues was about how great the wire was and what was the latest hip hop song
-My cousin was a big waka flocka when he first came out. This mawfacka always chanting "hard in the paint," and other quotes from flocka when it was justifying his overreaction and ignorant antics. But at different times, he would say "this is why black folks ain't got shyt" when viewing worldstar vids or some negative news report about a black person
 
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Are there black leaders who are tackling this lane since this is not dr. West job?
Which lane?
Also, as I'm sure you know....there are many local organizations and/or leaders trying to address various lanes. They are completely ignored by those who want to pretend that black folks are embracing the mass killings and self destructive behaviors by members of the community
 

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ok...what methods could be used to do so?

Through social media, blogs, art whatever it takes to depict them in a negative light. There are all sorts of creative ways to influence the minds of people. I recommended you look at the Panthers and their use of propaganda. It is largely effective if used correctly
 

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Which lane?
Also, as I'm sure you know....there are many local organizations and/or leaders trying to address various lanes. They are completely ignored by those who want to pretend that black folks are embracing the mass killings and self destructive behaviors by members of the community
The lane in terms of the cultural crisis lane which is talked about in Ellis video. Yes, I agree there local leaders on that tip. But as far as national leaders like Dyson, Jesse, Dr. West. Since this isn't Dr. West lane, who is filling that void in terms of nationally known leaders.
 

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The book Promises I Can Keep: Why Poor Women Put Motherhood Before Marriage (2005) is a study that explains why poor white, black and Hispanic women in the Philadelphia area have children out of wedlock. It is not due to lack of education about or access to birth control or because they want welfare. Instead their children give them purpose, validation, and companionship.

Poor women are no better off financially if they wait until their late 20s or early 30s to have children. The men they have to choose from are frequently in jail, unemployed, abusive, cheat, or are addicted. The women don't trust the men as stable life-long partners.
 
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The lane in terms of the cultural crisis lane which is talked about in Ellis video. Yes, I agree there local leaders on that tip. But as far as national leaders like Dyson, Jesse, Dr. West. Since this isn't Dr. West lane, who is filling that void in terms of nationally known leaders.
I havent seen the vid, I'm at work.
But is the cultural crisis a separate entity from other problems OR is it a product?
If it's a product, then wouldn't it be efficient to address the problems that creates this product?

Maybe it's just me, but Dr. Dyson and Dr. West are not black community leaders, but are still very important and contributes to the clarity of problems black folks face

I consider Jesse, Rev Al, Farrakhan black community leaders because of their attempts to address most or all lanes
 

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I get tired of talking about black people problems. People take whichever side lets them demonize whichever group they hate rather than addressing the whole problem. And at the end of the day its just talk talk talk. We need more action.
This comment is in the same vein as the criticism you're lodging
 
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