Dr. Ellis on Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West and the Black Cultural Crisis

[cornercommission2k12]

The issue is black people, participate fully in the creation of chief keef and other negative things

People including myself participated in bullshyt that was going against our community even when we warned by people like Delores tucker

But one thing I agree with is that white people would not allow negative images of themselves to be too widespread

You totally missing the point of my post

No matter what we do, there will always be ignorant amongst black people, just like it is ignorant amongst every race. To generalize it is short sighted. Which is what so many of us do in our community. Because we still hold a self conscious stronghold we developed from slavery when these images used to shame us is displayed heavily we, out of shame run to extreme judgement .

The true culprit is the millions being poured into negative imagery being plastered all over the airwaves. I participated in crap too but knew plenty of productive blacks doing good. Problem is Viacom universal etc finances the ignorant and put nothing into the positive. Right now in my hood englewood high school is graduating hundreds of black men and getting them scholarships to great colleges, where is the reality show for them? But they skip past that positive at the high school go down the street to lamron and finance fredo, durk, Reese and keef.

I was a product of what I saw. If all I saw was banging getting high violence and sex and identified with it because everytime I saw a young black male on tv he was that so I became that. I'm even more vulnerable to becoming that because I don't have a father in the house and I'm poor with no opportunity. And I'm poorly educated cause our school systems are shot. But what if I looked at young black men graduating and opening businesses every day on tv? What if all I heard was positive productive music on the radio? What if ras kass and little brother got the same machine behind them as cash money and no limit got where all I heard was that being played? See what i mean

There are others outside of our community financing our negative, earning billions from it, then leave the world judging us by the worst of us. Nobody judges white people by the very worst acting and impoverished of them. This only happens to us because the world only see that of us.

 

[theworldismine13]

You totally missing the point of my post

No matter what we do, there will always be ignorant amongst black people, just like it is ignorant amongst every race. To generalize it is short sighted. Which is what so many of us do in our community. Because we still hold a self conscious stronghold we developed from slavery when these images used to shame us is displayed heavily we, out of shame run to extreme judgement .

The true culprit is the millions being poured into negative imagery being plastered all over the airwaves. I participated in crap too but knew plenty of productive blacks doing good. Problem is Viacom universal etc finances the ignorant and put nothing into the positive. Right now in my hood englewood high school is graduating hundreds of black men and getting them scholarships to great colleges, where is the reality show for them? But they skip past that positive at the high school go down the street to lamron and finance fredo, durk, Reese and keef.

I was a product of what I saw. If all I saw was banging getting high violence and sex and identified with it because everytime I saw a young black male on tv he was that so I became that. I'm even more vulnerable to becoming that because I don't have a father in the house and I'm poor with no opportunity. And I'm poorly educated cause our school systems are shot. But what if I looked at young black men graduating and opening businesses every day on tv? What if all I heard was positive productive music on the radio? What if ras kass and little brother got the same machine behind them as cash money and no limit got where all I heard was that being played? See what i mean

There are others outside of our community financing our negative, earning billions from it, then leave the world judging us by the worst of us. Nobody judges white people by the very worst acting and impoverished of them. This only happens to us because the world only see that of us.

I understand and understood your point and my response to both posts is that black people themselves partake in the negative stereotyping of the culture, I think times have changed and overall black people are just as culpable as the white executives

The video in the op is referring to the fact that that there needs to be an overhaul of black culture by black people, aside from what white executives are doing

 

[Deezy314619]

Why would we expect a group who has made it clear that they are our enemy to view us positively in their media

We need to get out of the habit of asking whites to do right by us and do for ourselves.

Truu.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I think moral reasoning has gone as far as it can go, I don't think you need to wake up white folks to do anything, moral reasoning eventually runs into the fact that white people have the individual right to be racist

There is nothing wrong with making moral arguments against racism or any other cism, there is something seriously wrong with making the moral analysis of racism the basis of black prosperity and espousing a view that says the future of black people depends on convincing white people

black people will prosper when develop means to threaten violence and threaten economic consequences against those that try to violate our individual rights, so that is what we need to discuss, we don't need to wake white folks up

But violence and economics does not address the thought patterns of
white consumers,
white juries,
white spouse,
white cops,
white gun owner,
white real estate broker,
etc...

I'm not saying that the basis of black prosperity is due to convincing white folks to be nice. I'm including in my reasoning the perspective of the various ways a white supremacist and/or racist could affect blacks of various tax brackets

 

[bright black]

Black culture can't be grab, twisted, and shaped into whatever this dude or heathcliff huxtable wants...they have to take it as it comes.. be it smooth or rough..and that is the source of their frustration...black culture is phenomenon...it is like the stars in the sky, you can't just reach up there and alter how it looks and moves...I'm suspicious of people that want to try to change black culture...

 

[theworldismine13]

But violence and economics does not address the thought patterns of
white consumers,
white juries,
white spouse,
white cops,
white gun owner,
white real estate broker,
etc...

I'm not saying that the basis of black prosperity is due to convincing white folks to be nice. I'm including in my reasoning the perspective of the various ways a white supremacist and/or racist could affect blacks of various tax brackets

I never said it did change the thought patterns of white people, I'm saying it doesn't really matter what white people think or do, what really matters is what black people think or do

I'm rejecting your premise that the future of black people depends on changing the minds of white people

I'm not interested in changing white people, a white person just like any other individual has the right to think whatever they want

I do think we need to fight for individual rights and economic rights but again the moral fight is pretty much over I think we need to focus on economics and education and we can do that regardless of what white people are doing

 

[cornercommission2k12]

I understand and understood your point and my response to both posts is that black people themselves partake in the negative stereotyping of the culture, I think times have changed and overall black people are just as culpable as the white executives

The video in the op is referring to the fact that that there needs to be an overhaul of black culture by black people, aside from what white executives are doing

And again I am contesting that state of thinking is short sighted, misinformed, and the strategy of hoping every single black person don't become negative so white media won't have anything to exploit is unrealistic and irresponsible.

You are still explaining this from a brainwashed pov

As I illustrated earlier, englewood high school located on 63rd in Stewart on the south side of Chicago in the englewood area have been graduating hundreds of young black men and sending them to college and it literally got very small media coverage.

Right up the street, literally 1 block up and 1 block over clear channel def jam owned by universal interscope also owned by universal all go and place media coverage and radio outlet to the " non achievers" and hand them million dollar contracts. All this while the black males right down the street although getting scholarships still have to deal with student loans that will kick they ass the rest of they life. Now I ask you if I'm a young impoverished man, which choice do you think I take and what image will I accept and imitate? Do you think this has no adverse effect on young black males who only have that imagery to identify with?

Does white kids who shoot up schools or like the case that happened Joliet il, where 4 whites lured these 2 black males in killed them had sex with the dead bodies and then played video games, is that the means in which you will judge white culture? What if blacks had multi billion dollar corporations that wouldn't finance all the positive white images you see on Disney and abc family by passed that went into the rural parts of Montana and Idaho etc where many poor whites reside do drugs commit acts of violence etc and plastered that all over the airwaves what effect do you think that would have on white America if that was all they were exposed to?

Whites understand the adverse effects based on images marketing media campaigns etc. This is why the cigarette tobacco companies have lost billions to law suits, why fast food restaurants like mcdonalds and Burger King have required to identify calories and fat in their food because of the law suits they have had, why video game designers are required to put a rating on they games and they have also been sued by many. Point is many sighted they advertising and marketing plans as heavy influences on the human mind which in term would aid in one becoming addicted to cigarettes, children becoming more violent due to games and people becoming obese based On the food from the fast good chains. Yet the solution for blacks to ignore the overwhelming negative imagery that define black culture and hope every single black person won't be negative? That is ridiculous

But this "that's y'all problem" sentiment is what we have always dealt with in this country so what's new really. Meanwhile everyone outside our community bank billions from exploitation in music and tv to the prison industrial complex housing these made criminals. But they solution, exonerate those who benefit the most from it and blame blacks cause despite not having the resources or power in media school systems and job opportunities we still have those who decide to be bad. Shame on us I guess. Meanwhile many great blacks will continue to get judged by the worst of us smh

 

[wheywhey]

Black culture can't be grab, twisted, and shaped into whatever this dude or heathcliff huxtable wants...they have to take it as it comes be it smooth or rough..and that is the source of their frustration...black culture is phenomenon...it is like the stars in the sky, you can't just reach up there and alter how it looks and moves...I'm suspicious of people that want to try to change black culture...

Carl Ellis is a staunch evangelical Christian. He has devoted his life to telling people that they are doing something wrong. In this video, starting at the 13:00 mark, he explains that the black power movement of the 1960s stole the ideas of Pan-Africanism and Afrocentrism from Christianity.

 

[theworldismine13]

And again I am contesting that state of thinking is short sighted, misinformed, and the strategy of hoping every single black person don't become negative so white media won't have anything to exploit is unrealistic and irresponsible.

You are still explaining this from a brainwashed pov

As I illustrated earlier, englewood high school located on 63rd in Stewart on the south side of Chicago in the englewood area have been graduating hundreds of young black men and sending them to college and it literally got very small media coverage.

Right up the street, literally 1 block up and 1 block over clear channel def jam owned by universal interscope also owned by universal all go and place media coverage and radio outlet to the " non achievers" and hand them million dollar contracts. All this while the black males right down the street although getting scholarships still have to deal with student loans that will kick they ass the rest of they life. Now I ask you if I'm a young impoverished man, which choice do you think I take and what image will I accept and imitate? Do you think this has no adverse effect on young black males who only have that imagery to identify with?

Does white kids who shoot up schools or like the case that happened Joliet il, where 4 whites lured these 2 black males in killed them had sex with the dead bodies and then played video games, is that the means in which you will judge white culture? What if blacks had multi billion dollar corporations that wouldn't finance all the positive white images you see on Disney and abc family by passed that went into the rural parts of Montana and Idaho etc where many poor whites reside do drugs commit acts of violence etc and plastered that all over the airwaves what effect do you think that would have on white America if that was all they were exposed to?

Whites understand the adverse effects based on images marketing media campaigns etc. This is why the cigarette tobacco companies have lost billions to law suits, why fast food restaurants like mcdonalds and Burger King have required to identify calories and fat in their food because of the law suits they have had, why video game designers are required to put a rating on they games and they have also been sued by many. Point is many sighted they advertising and marketing plans as heavy influences on the human mind which in term would aid in one becoming addicted to cigarettes, children becoming more violent due to games and people becoming obese based On the food from the fast good chains. Yet the solution for blacks to ignore the overwhelming negative imagery that define black culture and hope every single black person won't be negative? That is ridiculous

But this "that's y'all problem" sentiment is what we have always dealt with in this country so what's new really. Meanwhile everyone outside our community bank billions from exploitation in music and tv to the prison industrial complex housing these made criminals. But they solution, exonerate those who benefit the most from it and blame blacks cause despite not having the resources or power in media school systems and job opportunities we still have those who decide to be bad. Shame on us I guess. Meanwhile many great blacks will continue to get judged by the worst of us smh

Breh I understand what you are saying, my point is the same, black people are full participants in the denigration of black culture and of negative images of black people

The onus is on black people to change, white media gets away with portraying black people in negative ways because we let them

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Breh I understand what you are saying, my point is the same, black people are full participants in the denigration of black culture and of negative images of black people

The onus is on black people to change, white media gets away with portraying black people in negative ways because we let them

If you understood what I was saying

You wouldn't come to such a dumb ass baseless conclusion

You "we are our own worst enemy" nikkas kill me

 

[151_Pr00f]

I understand and understood your point and my response to both posts is that black people themselves partake in the negative stereotyping of the culture, I think times have changed and overall black people are just as culpable as the white executives

The video in the op is referring to the fact that that there needs to be an overhaul of black culture by black people, aside from what white executives are doing

I think the heart of the matter is again that there will always be a segment of the population who represent the lowest common denominator of any group but how much of this is a true representation of our culture and what portion of black people actively embrace it?

I can't get the sound to work on my PC right now but from the summary in the 2nd post I'm curious as to how he arrived at the 88% figure. If the majority of black people are achievers then we must then ask how we as a group have allowed this type of propaganda to reach the pandemic levels it has today.

 

[theworldismine13]

I think the heart of the matter is again that there will always be a segment of the population who represent the lowest common denominator of any group but how much of this is a true representation of our culture and what portion of black people actively embrace it?

I can't get the sound to work on my PC right now but from the summary in the 2nd post I'm curious as to how he arrived at the 88% figure. If the majority of black people are achievers then we must then ask how we as a group have allowed this type of propaganda to reach the pandemic levels it has today.

It's easy to see why it got to be that way because overall black people approve of it or don't care about it

Let's look at the coli for example, Why are y'all fronting like people in the coli won't write a 5 page essay defending chief keef? The reality is that black people have allowed black culture to deteriorate, it's not an outside force it's an inside force, I'm not tryna take take the white executives off the hook but how many people in the coli hate jimmy iovine vs the number that admire him?

When a black woman named Delores tucker attacked white executives black people took the side of the white executives, we are living in the consequences of not standing up for our culture years ago

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I never said it did change the thought patterns of white people, I'm saying it doesn't really matter what white people think or do, what really matters is what black people think or do

I'm rejecting your premise that the future of black people depends on changing the minds of white people

I'm not interested in changing white people, a white person just like any other individual has the right to think whatever they want

I do think we need to fight for individual rights and economic rights but again the moral fight is pretty much over I think we need to focus on economics and education and we can do that regardless of what white people are doing

Like I said earlier, personal responsibility means nothing with societal responsibility, vice versa. It does matter what white people think and do because they have strategically positioned themselves to have influence on entities that affect all people

That why I mentioned white jurors and white cops, to highlight clear examples of how the white supremacist religion and/or racist could affect black folks. There are a few black millionaires and there are a very very few black folks targeting white folks for violence, but yet we still have Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner case

Black entrepreneurs venturing into white dominated industries, still will need those white folks seated in influential positions to not be poisoned by the white supremacist religion by seeing black entrepreneurs VS just entrepreneurs

The notion that money is the clear motivation for business men have once again been proven wrong by the exposure of both Mark Cuban and Donald Sterling

Economics and educations are certainly important factors to push, but they are not the only strategy

 

[wheywhey]

I think the heart of the matter is again that there will always be a segment of the population who represent the lowest common denominator of any group but how much of this is a true representation of our culture and what portion of black people actively embrace it?

I can't get the sound to work on my PC right now but from the summary in the 2nd post I'm curious as to how he arrived at the 88% figure. If the majority of black people are achievers then we must then ask how we as a group have allowed this type of propaganda to reach the pandemic levels it has today.

My opinion is that he made up the 88% figure. In the video he stumbles for a second then says that 85-88% of blacks are achievers. He contradicts himself in the video in post 8. There he speaks about all races not just black, but focuses on blacks. (I know you can't hear video but if you go to the 25:00, you can read the charts of achiever and non-achiever values.) He has two lists for non-achievers under subsistence values and nihilistic values. Far more than 12% fit into his definition of non-achiever.

 

[theworldismine13]

Like I said earlier, personal responsibility means nothing with societal responsibility, vice versa. It does matter what white people think and do because they have strategically positioned themselves to have influence on entities that affect all people

That why I mentioned white jurors and white cops, to highlight clear examples of how the white supremacist religion and/or racist could affect black folks. There are a few black millionaires and there are a very very few black folks targeting white folks for violence, but yet we still have Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner case

Black entrepreneurs venturing into white dominated industries, still will need those white folks seated in influential positions to not be poisoned by the white supremacist religion by seeing black entrepreneurs VS just entrepreneurs

The notion that money is the clear motivation for business men have once again been proven wrong by the exposure of both Mark Cuban and Donald Sterling

Economics and educations are certainly important factors to push, but they are not the only strategy

Yeah and you are espousing a view that says the future of black people is dependent in white people, which IMO leads to an intellectual, economic and cultural dead end