Dr. Umar Johnson: No African Community Ever Legitimized Being Gay

[KingDanz]

Thats bullshyt. Homosexuality and the black nuclear family have shyt to do with each other. Kids need parenting...it dont matter if 2 dad's...2 mothers...or mother and father. Parents of all backgrounds need to raise kids period.

 

[Neil Tyson]

Only fukking idiots listen to this guy.

 

[Geek Nasty]

5:00 this is something I believe. I think there's a very small percentage of homosexuals *born* gay. The vast majority IMO are sexually abused. Every gay friend I've had or gay family member has had sexual abuse in their background.

6:30 Great observations as well. We got all these people calling their 8 year old boys "transgender" when the parents have been raising them to emulate effeminate behavior.

11:00 Oh shyt breh just broke i down

 

[Birnin Zana]

I saw an interview where he said he had 700k. He said he's probably not gonna buy the 1st one since it would need a bunch of money in repairs. He said he has a couple other schools he's looking at.

Usually if you watch one of his lectures on YouTube he'll give an update on the school.

He should consider going for a smaller facility, and then hopefully expand in the future. Might be for the best.

 

[Gravity]

Thats bullshyt. Homosexuality and the black nuclear family have shyt to do with each other. Kids need parenting...it dont matter if 2 dad's...2 mothers...or mother and father. Parents of all backgrounds need to raise kids period.

This is why there's a problem. You just basically said that mothers and fathers are inconsequential, and kids just need "parenting" which goes directly against what people like Umar believe. Mothers and fathers are very important and children do better when both are in their lives. This is undeniable. Umar can't support an ideology or agenda that directly opposes his ideology and agenda, that makes no sense. I'm with Umar here. I don't believe that dumb shyt that you just said and I think your line of thinking is counterproductive to the betterment of the black community. It's not about creating some master black race it's about fundamentally disagreeing with you.

I don't even get why you're denying the obvious points of contention. I don't trust homosexual parents and I'm not totally in agreement with them being allowed to adopt and raise kids. I've see seeing lesbians and bisexual women raising kids more and more and I think that it's a bad trend. Again, you can't promote the reparation of the black family while promoting homosexuality acceptance at the same time. It's a contradiction.

 

[VegasCAC]

Homosexuality is worldwide and a part of all tribal societies

Sex with younger men was practiced in the Kingdom of Buganda (part of modern day Uganda) until the British took over. Part of the reason the British took over is because King Mwanga II was pissed that the white man's religion was making his Christian male servants resist his sexual advances. He then burned the Christians who were homophobic alive and the British used that as an excuse to take control

 

[froggle]

Sometimes i wonder if these so called pro black speakers are aware that the very concepts that they hold so dear to them such as "race" and homophobia come from the same european entities and institutions that they claim they are against.

The land that is now know as Africa lgbt folks roaming around in prehistoric and precolonial times. The colonialists saw this and they saw that as demonic behavior and as another reason to "civilize" the natives of that continent. Hence the missionaries with the religions that preach homophobia that he's bigging up.

 

[Busted_Toes]

@ yall trying to convince that precolonial Africa had lgbt lifestyles. Yall agenda Just because the moist moist tribe (three people) engage in sexual deviancy does not mean the rest of Africa wasn't ready to bombard them with spears

Yall believe anything these CACs write about Africa

"We went to Africa and these savages were having homosexual relationships"

Believe CACS in 2016 brehs..

Keep that shyt in Europe where it belongs.

 

[AlainLocke]

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[Gravity]

Homosexuality is worldwide and a part of all tribal societies

Sex with younger men was practiced in the Kingdom of Buganda (part of modern day Uganda) until the British took over. Part of the reason the British took over is because King Mwanga II was pissed that the white man's religion was making his Christian male servants resist his sexual advances. He then burned the Christians who were homophobic alive and the British used that as an excuse to take control

People have always done immoral depraved shyt, so what's your point? That because here are people who have always been gay that we as blacks should accept and promote it now?

 

[AlainLocke]

If you nikkas are brave and willing to stop being delusional, as if they first place where Homo Sapiens existed would not have diverse sexualities...

You should read this book

Here'se the link
http://www.arcados.ch/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/MURRAY-ROSCOE-BOY-WIVES-FEMALE-HUSBANDS-98.pdf

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

He is so fukking wrong it's not even funny.

Please disprove his statement. I would love to hear you examples of African communities where homosexuality is embraced.

 

[Gravity]

It's pretty well known that there was a thriving LGBT community and caste system of sexuality in Africa before Christian Colonizers came over. The colonizers of Africa made homosexuality illegal, not Africans.

And it's pretty well know that Africans started believing that LGBT isn't native to Africa...when crazy ass conservative White Christians from the USA and England came to Africa AND TOLD THEM THAT.

It is important to know the concept of sexual relationships and as it is understood today..heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality is WESTERN. It isn't native to non-White people.

How Uganda was seduced by anti-gay conservative evangelicals

One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”

That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.

Dr Frank Mugisha, director of the LGBT rights organisation, Sexual Minorities Uganda (Smug), recently told The Independent on Sunday, “[The idea] of a gay agenda, of recruiting people to homosexuality – that language wasn't used in Uganda pre-2009. [Lively] made my work very difficult and was conspiring with my legislators, but [to Ugandans] he was like God himself. People were worshipping him as if he was from heaven.”


OPINION: Homosexuality is not un-African
African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

All you've done here is support the belief that the shyt is a choice. Behavior that can be taught and passed down. I don't give a fukk that there were Africans whi practiced homosexuality and all kinds of shyt before they encountered whites, that shyt should not be promoted and pushed now. That shyt is counterproductive to what we need to do right now.

 

[Busted_Toes]

It's pretty well known that there was a thriving LGBT community and caste system of sexuality in Africa before Christian Colonizers came over. The colonizers of Africa made homosexuality illegal, not Africans.

And it's pretty well know that Africans started believing that LGBT isn't native to Africa...when crazy ass conservative White Christians from the USA and England came to Africa AND TOLD THEM THAT.

It is important to know the concept of sexual relationships and as it is understood today..heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality is WESTERN. It isn't native to non-White people.

How Uganda was seduced by anti-gay conservative evangelicals

One of the first to investigate links between American conservatives and the African anti-gay movement was Kipya Kaoma, a Zambian clergyman living in Boston. Homosexuality was illegal in Uganda under existing colonial laws, he explained, “But nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted based on those old laws. People turned a blind eye to it. Homosexuality was not a political issue.”

That changed in 2009, Rev Kaoma said, when a group of American evangelicals led by Pastor Scott Lively, a self-proclaimed expert on the “gay movement”, held a series of talks in Uganda. Mr Lively warned audiences that the “evil institution” of homosexuality sought to “prey upon” and recruit Ugandan children in a bid to “defeat the marriage-based society”.

Dr Frank Mugisha, director of the LGBT rights organisation, Sexual Minorities Uganda (Smug), recently told The Independent on Sunday, “[The idea] of a gay agenda, of recruiting people to homosexuality – that language wasn't used in Uganda pre-2009. [Lively] made my work very difficult and was conspiring with my legislators, but [to Ugandans] he was like God himself. People were worshipping him as if he was from heaven.”


OPINION: Homosexuality is not un-African
African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

How did i know that the writer is a Black Feminist..

Dr Sylvia Tamale


Just because these "tribes" engaged in sexual deviancy does not make it right. And they certainly aren't representative of precolonial Africa.

 

[AlainLocke]

People have always done immoral depraved shyt, so what's your point? That because here are people who have always been gay that we as blacks should accept and promote it now?

...how is homosexuality immoral...

shyt is gross yeah...but immoral and depraved? According to who? White Christians?

And yeah...Black people should accept LGBT people because they will exist and always will exist and for the most part...they don't do shyt anybody. They are less than 1 percent of population. Nobody can get turned into a Transsexual or Gay person. It isn't contagious.


When you start rejecting people and putting them down, you get shyt like Black Lives Matters, an entire political movement ran by Black people that want nothing to do with straight Black men.

Identity politics is the dominant form of politics in the 21st century and going forward.

Isolating an entire group people will always come back to bite us in the ass.