Drake Breaking Records, Lowest Selling #1 Album Of All Time

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This is the effect of the machine working for you. They should have never included streams with soundscan numbers

THIS.

if an album is hyped up, everybody is gonna want to hear it. especially these days where theres very few hyped up albums.

but that doesn't mean that most of the people clicking to listen to it, would want to buy it.

 

[tremonthustler1]

whoever looked at sales anyways, even in the 90s. I never put nsync over wu tang, never ranked backstreet boys over the lost boyz. Sales, streams, downloads dont mean shyt, its just whatever the boss wanted to push n market. Says nothing about the music.

Because some of y'all don't watch sports or the stock market so all y'all had were first week sales to see if your rapper "won". It's really hard to puff your chest out about a rapper you like when a rapper you don't like has all the talking points you used to use.

And make no mistake for anyone who hates streams, y'all woulda rode for a system that included bootlegs if it meant Jadakiss went 5x plat

 

[tremonthustler1]

THIS.

if an album is hyped up, everybody is gonna want to hear it. especially these days where theres very few hyped up albums.

but that doesn't mean that most of the people clicking to listen to it, would want to buy it.

Just because I tune into a show doesn't mean I wanna see it, but it might impact ratings anyway. Should they scrap that too?

 

[Icantspell]

Drake the goat it is what it is

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Just because I tune into a show doesn't mean I wanna see it, but it might impact ratings anyway. Should they scrap that too?

this is why I stopped leaving the TV on as background noise, actually.

not a good analogy either.

 

[hex]

Because some of y'all don't watch sports or the stock market so all y'all had were first week sales to see if your rapper "won". It's really hard to puff your chest out about a rapper you like when a rapper you don't like has all the talking points you used to use.

And make no mistake for anyone who hates streams, y'all woulda rode for a system that included bootlegs if it meant Jadakiss went 5x plat

Your logic is severely flawed, when did Jada fans give a fukk about his sales?

If you take any random 90's rapper and assume old heads would ride with the streams thing if it benefited them....nah. My generation doesn't come from an era where that would even be a topic of conversation. There wasn't sales figures available for most of the 40 years rap has been around. All that is a product of the internet and information like RIAA, Soundscan, etc. being readily available to the public now.

Just because I tune into a show doesn't mean I wanna see it, but it might impact ratings anyway. Should they scrap that too?

Unless you are a "Nielsen household" it's a moot point, so that's a bad analogy. They don't count everyone watching everything. Streams are tabulated regardless of whether or not anyone is listening, though. You could leave a song streaming for a month, go on vacation, and it would still count towards that artists "sales". There has never been a less accurate gauge than that.

Fred.

 

[Roberto Firmino]

Drake the goat it is what it is

All Summer 16

 

[tremonthustler1]

Your logic is severely flawed, when did Jada fans give a fukk about his sales?

If you take any random 90's rapper and assume old heads would ride with the streams thing if it benefited them....nah. My generation doesn't come from an era where that would even be a topic of conversation. There wasn't sales figures available for most of the 40 years rap has been around. All that is a product of the internet and information like RIAA, Soundscan, etc. being readily available to the public now.



Unless you are a "Nielsen household" it's a moot point, so that's a bad analogy. They don't count everyone watching everything. Streams are tabulated regardless of whether or not anyone is listening, though. You could leave a song streaming for a month, go on vacation, and it would still count towards that artists "sales". There has never been a less accurate gauge than that.

Fred.

Which makes Nielsen's ratings less reliable but when the numbers come out, that's what they use whether you like it or not. In other words, you and people like you could love a show and watch it religiously but if you don't have a Nielsen box it doesn't matter and they may dead your show based on faulty data just like how you perceive streams.

That said, even before streams there was never a true reliable criteria for what was popular. Calculating streams is just the industry's way of attempting to determine that. Faulty sure, but the old way didn't reveal much either (hell, the excuse you guys use when someone y'all don't like sells a ton of physical records is that they don't know how to stream or download. Well that excuse backfired like a motherfukker)

Btw, soundscan figures as we knew them have been around since 1991 (and were available via Billboard magazine). Hip-hop for the most part didn't really care for a long time because first week sales weren't emphasized so much (many artists worked their way up charts and you didn't have to chart super high to go platinum or whatever) and the genre didn't value it as much. Throwing in streams doesn't make the charts any more or less accurate, especially when the old way only gauged how you sold based off certain retailers (so if you bought your CD from some hole in the wall store, it likely didn't count toward the actual sales total, only towards the plaque)

 

[Rembrandt]

Drake stans are low key retarded as fukk.

It's not the same for everyone. If you take two equally popular artists, one on Apple and one on Tidal, it's impossible for the artist on Tidal to hit the same numbers. Due to the difference in the number of subscribers.

That alone makes counting streams wildly inaccurate. I guess this is the part where one of you brain trusts says "well, why don't they sign to Apple?"....because it would lead to a monopoly.

Fred.

Tidal exclusivity is for a small amount of artists. Besides that, it's the Same for most people. Including that, just avoid service exclusive launches and hit all three if you want that boost like 98% of rappers do.

 

[hex]

Which makes Nielsen's ratings less reliable but when the numbers come out, that's what they use whether you like it or not. In other words, you and people like you could love a show and watch it religiously but if you don't have a Nielsen box it doesn't matter and they may dead your show based on faulty data just like how you perceive streams.

That said, even before streams there was never a true reliable criteria for what was popular. Calculating streams is just the industry's way of attempting to determine that. Faulty sure, but the old way didn't reveal much either (hell, the excuse you guys use when someone y'all don't like sells a ton of physical records is that they don't know how to stream or download. Well that excuse backfired like a motherfukker)

Btw, soundscan figures as we knew them have been around since 1991 (and were available via Billboard magazine). Hip-hop for the most part didn't really care for a long time because first week sales weren't emphasized so much (many artists worked their way up charts and you didn't have to chart super high to go platinum or whatever) and the genre didn't value it as much. Throwing in streams doesn't make the charts any more or less accurate, especially when the old way only gauged how you sold based off certain retailers (so if you bought your CD from some hole in the wall store, it likely didn't count toward the actual sales total, only towards the plaque)

Streams are less accurate than any previous system. If someone shipped 4 mill, RIAA would (payment pending) certify them at 4x plat. If someone sold 2 mill, Soundscan would say they sold 2 mill.
There was a clear line drawn between the distributors, sellers, and fans. It was easy to follow. If I went out and copped an album, it went towards Soundscan. It being in the store for me to buy in the first place, went towards RIAA numbers.

1.2 mill of "Views" 2x plat certification is from retroactive "Hotline Bling" streams. What kind of sense does that make? Imagine if Wayne's singles went towards "C3" sales. He would've went 13x plat instead of 3x plat. A difference of 10 mill ain't big to you? This is what I'm talking about. It's not that the old way was so good, it's just that the new way is far worse.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Tidal exclusivity is for a small amount of artists. Besides that, it's the Same for most people. Including that, just avoid service exclusive launches and hit all three if you want that boost like 98% of rappers do.

Up until this point there was dozens of ways to get distribution, streaming narrows it down to 3 avenues, really down to 2 (Spotify and Apple). That alone is problematic.

And exclusivity aside, there's no reason for a consumer to have multiple streaming services. So it's all a piece of the same pie, which is why Tidal is struggling. Imagine if two companies distributed every rap song of the last 30+ years, how easy it would be to manipulate things.

Fred.

 

[Ronald]

looks like more ducktales being spread in here so i'll just go ahead and post this again

The link you posted has no idea what its talking about

Only sources that can be trusted are the ones with access to Nielson Soundscan (Billboard, HDD, Buzzangle, etc.). Along with that, album #s only include on-demand streams, so YouTube doesn't contribute to them. All of that only counts for singles (aka separate from albums).

http://www.lidestri.com/files/buzzanglemusic/BuzzAngleMusic-2016-MidYear-Report.pdf

This is from the first 6 months of 2016 and a majority of HLB's #s came from 2015, meaning it had a minuscule impact in its 2.6 total #s that got it to it's double certification. One Dance, Too Good and Controlla are the real album sellers you're referring to.

You used RIAA's June 9th date in your post, which holds no weight whatsoever. It's literally certified at any point the record label chooses to certify it. If you hadn't noticed, June 9th is the 6th month of 2016, the last month accounted for in Views 2.6m album equivalent units. By RIAA's metrics, Views is already x3 plat when we include Hotline Bling because the song itself is x5 plat as of January.

RIAA doesn't reveal its exact #s which is why referencing it with nothing else attached is pointless.

 

[hex]

looks like more ducktales being spread in here so i'll just go ahead and post this again

Quote a guy multiple times that has no idea what he's talking about, brehs.

BuzzAngle doesn't use Nielsen Soundscan. So he's wrong in the very first post.

RIAA's system has nothing to do with BuzzAngle or Soundscan. So we're talking about 3 different sources of information. No shyt, the numbers don't add up.

Fred.

 

[Griffith]

This is the effect of the machine working for you. They should have never included streams with soundscan numbers

Except streams are Soundscan numbers

Quote a guy multiple times that has no idea what he's talking about, brehs.

BuzzAngle doesn't use Nielsen Soundscan. So he's wrong in the very first post.

RIAA's system has nothing to do with BuzzAngle or Soundscan. So we're talking about 3 different sources of information. No shyt, the numbers don't add up.

Fred.

Why are you still holding value to a system that functions off when labels decide to certify something? I told you they are not for facts and figures to base arguments off of.

As far as them having access to Soundscan, even common folk have access to it so don't try it. I'm sure you can see that yourself from the rest of my post. They leak every week if you know the right people.

 

[Easy-E]

Mayne...Kidz Bop stay knockin' heads off.

I'mma have to get me some kids together and take some of that shmoney...