"Drake Brought Lyricism Back" - DJ Premier

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Well a lot of people give Drake props, specially a lot of rappers.
A lot of rappers probably don't (never heard of them).

We can't make any statistical inference of whether he do or don't deserve props. All we know is a lot of people think he deserves the props, including highly respectable figures in hiphop. Others don't you being one of my few references to those people. But you're just as entitled to your opinion as Premo.

And I've yet to see anyone say that he had direct influence on every rapper, besides yourself.
What people is saying it that he had influence on the game, labels and it's fans, to start accepting lyrical skills, technical skills etc as the main factors in mainstream hiphop again. Cause obviously it wasn't before his generation.

I never said dude doesn't deserve props. He's very accomplished, he makes good music, he has a big following.

But the idea that he brought lyricism back... I don't see it. And you don't either, according to your reasoning. "Hes at the top of the game, so he deserves props for everything happening in it". Nah. He's never been the most lyrical dude in the mainstream, and when he came in the game there were significantly more lyrical mainstream rappers (Eminem, Twista, Lupe), so how can he be credited with bringing lyricism back? It was already here

 

[Harry B]

I never said dude doesn't deserve props. He's very accomplished, he makes good music, he has a big following.

But the idea that he brought lyricism back... I don't see it. And you don't either, according to your reasoning. "Hes at the top of the game, so he deserves props for everything happening in it". Nah. He's never been the most lyrical dude in the mainstream, and when he came in the game there were significantly more lyrical mainstream rappers (Eminem, Twista, Lupe), so how can he be credited with bringing lyricism back? It was already here

The game was not lyrical, there were lyrical rappers. But the game wasn't lyrical, there wasn't a tour like Club Paradise with 50 million bucks grossed, featuring rappers like Asap, J. Cole and K Dot.


You can't see it, fine. I can.

It's an opinion.


Lyricism in hiphop is highly relevant after Drake, fact.
Drake was the rapper who made it happen, not a fact an opinion.


Lupe is another factor, but when he was doing his thing rap was in it's lowest point as far as lyrics goes since the early 80s. So obviously what he was doing had no effect on the game. But one could claim that it affected the new underground generation which would later grow up to become to mainstream generation today.

I don't know anyone who worked with music related matters on a label back in 2008-09 but I'd like to ask them how significant Drake was in the decision to start shifting funds from "non-lyrical rappers" to "lyrical rappers".. Or maybe they followed the fans.. Perhaps the fans didn't get to exhibit their demand for lyrical hiphop clearly enough until myspace, twitter and blogs made it possible.

 

[Klos2God]

How did powerpuff bring something back that never left? Maybe he had much better content amongst his peers but thats about it...

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Drake is a great lyricist...I dont see how anyone can deny this. Whether they like his style or his actual lyrics, is one thing, but to say that he can't write is quite incorrect

I make it a point to avoid Twitter feeds and interviews of young rappers in this day and age. Ignorance is bliss, when it comes to avoiding their off-mic persona

 

[hex]

Let's play devil's advocate here and say he's nice and has some classic verses.

Who did he bring lyricism back to? Who is saying "yeah, I heard that Drake album and had to step my bars up?". And I don't mean a couple people....I mean where is this "lyricism" movement that Drake supposedly started? People are acting like Drake went around the country doing open mics on some Lyricist Lounge shyt and singlehandedly saved lyricism from the brink of extinction.

Hell, TI was lyrically nice and going plat before, during, and after Drake popped up. Nobody says he brought lyricism back though.

Fred.

 

[BAMBINO]

The game is so watered down that a nikka like Drake is look upon as a great lyricist.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Let's play devil's advocate here and say he's nice and has some classic verses.

Who did he bring lyricism back to? Who is saying "yeah, I heard that Drake album and had to step my bars up?". And I don't mean a couple people....I mean where is this "lyricism" movement that Drake supposedly started? People are acting like Drake went around the country doing open mics on some Lyricist Lounge shyt and singlehandedly saved lyricism from the brink of extinction.

Hell, TI was lyrically nice and going plat before, during, and after Drake popped up. Nobody says he brought lyricism back though.

Fred.

.......

 

[thernbroom]

"Drake is, man, what can he not do? He can sing, he can rap, and he talks about real s--t. What’s better than that, man? I love it.”

"I'm listening to] Drake and always Scarface," Nas revealed in an interview. "Drake is new. He's here to show anybody who questions him that he'll get at you. He's like fresh water right now on dry land. Scarface is the realist rapper. He's the most musically serious"

Elzhi

ou know what? I think that he’s doing what he has to do to sustain his level of popularity, fame, as well as music man. I feel like he’s growing I still think he’s a phenomenal emcee, even when he does his radio songs. I feel like he still makes an effort to put out a metaphor here or a rhyme pattern there to show that he’s connected to the classic hip-hop era. I love what he’s doing. I definitely think he keeps hip-hop in his heart even though he’s got like crazy radio hits.

ScHoolboy QVerified
‏@ScHoolBoyQ
nikkaHz be mad, drake Hard i dnt care wat u say and dis coming frm a real Hoova #HnC

 

[Tetris v2.0]

To say, "Drake brought lyricism back" is a pretty inflammatory and statement lets be reality

The same thing could have been said about Lupe Fiasco in 06. I think people are just excited to see a super pop-star type rapper cross-over into the mainstream but still have the ability to kill a 16 like Drake.

Lyricism hasnt really gone anywhere, but to see it being reflected in the pop world from new talent every few years is refreshing. Hopefully, it wont take "a few years" each time though

 

[hex]

Elzhi

You just linked up a bunch of people saying they listen to him and/or he's dope.

That's not a point of contention, or even relevant to the discussion.

Fred.

 

[thernbroom]

damn nikka you still following me around, i wasn't even talking 2 you

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The game was not lyrical, there were lyrical rappers. But the game wasn't lyrical, there wasn't a tour like Club Paradise with 50 million bucks grossed, featuring rappers like Asap, J. Cole and K Dot.


You can't see it, fine. I can.

It's an opinion.


Lyricism in hiphop is highly relevant after Drake, fact.
Drake was the rapper who made it happen, not a fact an opinion.


Lupe is another factor, but when he was doing his thing rap was in it's lowest point as far as lyrics goes since the early 80s. So obviously what he was doing had no effect on the game. But one could claim that it affected the new underground generation which would rather grow up to become to mainstream generation today.

I don't know anyone who worked with music related matters on a label back in 2008-09 but I'd like to ask them how significant Drake was in the decision to start shifting funds from "non-lyrical rappers" to "lyrical rappers".. Or maybe they followed the fans.. Perhaps the fans didn't get to exhibit their demand for lyrical hiphop clearly enough until myspace, twitter and blogs made it possible.

Who are these lyrical rappers?

2008 was the year before BIEH dropped... who was hot

Weezy, TI, Kanye, Ross, Plies

Summer 2009, BIEH drops... whos hot for 09

Weezy, TI, Drake, Kanye

2010

Rap Songs - 2010 Year End Charts | Billboard

Weezy, Drake, Em, Jay (who were lyrical before Drake + dropping music in 07, 08, 09), Nicki Minaj

2011, Weezy, Wacka Flocka , Drake, Ross, Kanye, etc

2012, same folks as well as Kirko Bangz (not lyrical) and Jeezy (also not lyrical)

There were lyrical "underground" acts out this whole time, none of em broke to the surface... and the ones that did were not influenced by Drake

So where is this lyrical resurgence that Drake spearheaded? Its not in the charts, its not in sales, its not in Drakes music. And I guarantee if Premier had said Drake is why lyricism died, you'd be tripping over yourself to discredit him

So whats the deal... nikkas talkin about Drake brought it back... where is it

 

[Jparker]

kill yo self

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You just linked up a bunch of people saying they listen to him and/or he's dope.

That's not a point of contention, or even relevant to the discussion.

Fred.

You called him out by name and then played dumb when he responded... must be a Drake fan

 

[CrimsonTider]

Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?

"I don't like this guy, but I'm going to say he's a legend solely because he's giving props to an artist I dikk ride. Hopefully no one notices that I never mentioned him or Gangstarr prior to today".

Next time have enough sense to make a few "Gangstarr was awesome" threads beforehand so your ulterior motive isn't so obvious.

Fred.

Why every time Drake is mentioned you show up doing the same hating routine?


Fred.

Average = not wack

Good = not wack

Hol up..did Kanye admit he had ghost writers? Ima need a link/proof :smugobama:
Drake didnt bring back shiit..he spit some of worst and corniest verses on his debut album..now if you said his mixtape work... then

He had a great second album and he DID step it up..ill give him that.

List those verses from TML