Drake is past jayz in his prime

[Farrinto]

Drake's artist just wrote a #1 song...that does count for something

We wouldn't have classics like these if it wasn't for Jay putting artists on. Plus Bleek said in an interview that he helped put Ross on, so lowkey Jay plays a part in that too because he put Bleek on.

 

[Farrinto]

Drake has surpassed him in terms of cultural relevancy

Two different personalities. Can you picture Jay dancing around in Super Bowl commercials? Plus you have to factor in that this is the social media age.

 

[hex]

It's not a hop hop album

Then who cares? This is a rap board.

I'm at every single pro-Drake post in this thread completely ignoring the fact that he don't even write his own shyt. Every single compliment you could give him or his career needs an asterisk next to it.

But nah....let's compare him to prime Jay-Z.

Fred.

 

[an emissary from hell]

I like Drake's music but c'mon man

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

You can't compare what was considered going pop in '98 to what is considered going pop in 2016. People thought fukking "It Was Written" was a pop record in '96.

Fred.

Going Pop is going Pop. Vol 2 and Vol 3 were undoubtedly pop albums, and consequently neither have aged well.

It seems like you're bring other points into this equation that have nothing to do with the argument. The argument is if Drake is bigger popularity wise than Jay in his prime. The answer is evident in the markets Drake has penetrated and the sales he's generated. That's no dig at Jay. I dont think Drake could ever have the career that Hov has had, but as it is today Drake is bigger than Jay ever was in the 90s or 2000s.

 

[Sean312]

why are you comparing a pop star to a rapper? lol

 

[criminology]

I'm not a Jayz fan and I don't think I've ever negged anyone but you're just that stupid.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Exactly,and I was mainly just talking about the internet for this argument but you added another dimension....Because when you talk about popularity now,it seems like the only criteria is being known.....Well do young cats realize how easy it is to be KNOWN OF in todays era? You realize when Nas and Jay was battling,probaly the biggest battle in hiphop history,it was so many people/outsiders who had no idea that shyt was going on...Fast forward and anybody whos on social media knows about a damn Meek and Drake beef because its the talk of the internet,fast forward to where dance moves can go "viral" and next thing you know Bobby Smurda is famous,Soulja Boy famous,the news is talking about Drake dancing in a hotline bling video...You lil nikkas think the dougie got a chance to go "viral"

With Fred adding in a dimension,I don't think you can even say Drake was bigger than prime Jayz of the south,T.I.P....T.I definitely had greater competition....He arguably had as many females as apart of his fanbase,more classic albums than Drake,I'm going to guess more sales than Drake,huge hits in a more competitive period.

Matter of fact since yall wanna be disrespectable its time to stop being so humble,from now on we need to stop even acknowledging the Drakes,J Coles,Kendricks as anything more than the midcard nikkas that they are....No more of that superstar,elite,"on top of the game" talk,as if that means anything when we all know they are there by default

That's like if The Rock,The Undertaker,Stone Cold,Bret Hart,Hulk Hogan and all the other main event nikkas died in a tragic plane crash....Aint nobody tryna hear about the star power of the Brooklyn Brawler just because he in the main event now

Are you serious? Its hella harder now to be known than it was in the 90s and 2000s. For one, record companies marketed their artists qay more and were willing to take bigger risks because the market allowed for record comapnies to be compensated for such risks. Nowadays rappers have to find avenues to create buzz in otder for them to be backed by a major record label. shyt look at someone like Frank Ocean (not hip hop but the point still remains true). He was buried on def jam before his free mixtape blew up his name.

Nevermind the fact that these rappers who blow up still dont sell well in today. It takes a label to have A LOT of faith in an artist for them to continue to back them after 1 single, 1 album, etc. Nowadays a label will jump on an artist bandwagon, ride them for 6 to 12 months, and then move on to the next wave.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Nope.

Jay was going 3 mill in an era when there was multiple super stars from every region vying for attention.

And no, I obviously don't expect Drake to go 3x mill in 2016....but the sole reason he's on top is because there isn't much to compete with him. To put it into perspective his closest peer is probably Kendrick and they don't even make the same kind of music. Musically a Drake album is closer to an Adele album than what Kendrick is doing.

Hell, never mind all that. We're still talking about Jay in 2016. Do you seriously believe Drake will be a factor 20 years from now? People always over rate the importance of a rapper in his prime. The same thing happened to 50 and Wayne.

Fred.

How was wayne overrated in his prime? he probably has the most important Prime in hiphop history

 

[mikishere]

Going Pop is going Pop. Vol 2 and Vol 3 were undoubtedly pop albums, and consequently neither have aged well.

It seems like you're bring other points into this equation that have nothing to do with the argument. The argument is if Drake is bigger popularity wise than Jay in his prime. The answer is evident in the markets Drake has penetrated and the sales he's generated. That's no dig at Jay. I dont think Drake could ever have the career that Hov has had, but as it is today Drake is bigger than Jay ever was in the 90s or 2000s.

 

[hex]

Going Pop is going Pop.

No, it's not. We can't even engage in a discussion if that's the foundation of your argument.

Let's take "The Message" by Nas and "Over My Dead Body" by Drake.

That's the first song off a pop rap album from 1996 vs a pop rap album from 2011.

Can you compare the two? fukk no. They're not remotely on the same planet.

Are you serious? Its hella harder now to be known than it was in the 90s and 2000s. For one, record companies marketed their artists qay more and were willing to take bigger risks because the market allowed for record comapnies to be compensated for such risks. Nowadays rappers have to find avenues to create buzz in otder for them to be backed by a major record label. shyt look at someone like Frank Ocean (not hip hop but the point still remains true). He was buried on def jam before his free mixtape blew up his name.

Breh what are you talking about? Promotion in 2016 is literally a click away. The fact that you're using a free mixtape as a reason in favor of your argument is

There wasn't any option for free mixtapes 20 years ago. Unless it was literally a mixtape you were handing out in person. You get signed in '95, you sat your ass on a shelf until your label decided it was time to come out. In 2016 a rapper like Freddie Gibbs can exist completely independent of major labels, via Twitter, Soundcloud, Youtube, etc.

Fred.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

nas lost?

 

[Cynic]

It's not a hop hop album but it is a classic

What album would have a rap hit, pop hit & r&b hit all on the same album

Drake didn't change the game but he influenced it greatly

 

[The Mad Titan]

Drake is the new age Jay, I'm sure drake studies him closely because they move the same in alot that they do.

Drake, wanye and Kanye are probably the biggest influences in hiphop in the last 10 years or so.


Its way to soon to call anything for drake, but anything that guy touches is gold. And he keeps quality hits in rotation yearly, and has been every year for at least 9 years, I can't even say J did that. OP talking reckless but drake has the ability to be more successful than Jay in the rap game, but he'll

A) Never be a better rapper
B) Didn't have to come from what J came from.

 

[mr.africa]

no words for this foolishness