Draymond Green: Doesn't feel like Warriors committed to winning

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except dray is old and undersized and just going off smarts now

soon is going to be right around the age kevin garnett went from a 15 and 8 guy to 6 and 6

Nba is a young mans game old nikkaz get rinsed
Is he playing poorly?
 
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The big man rotation is a real problem that they haven’t really taken serious for some reason. Looks like mark williams was very available seeing how easily my suns got him. I think there is a happy medium between what GS does and iso ball. I don’t think Kerr is open to or knows how to find that.
You don't think they're doing that?

They accomodated KD when he was on the team, even to the point where he was dragging down the offense doing too much ISO in the playoffs.

This is from this season:

Jimmy is 27th in the league in ISO frequency (to put into perspective, it's an identical frequency to Giannis)
Jimmy is 36th in the league in post-up frequency (to put into perspective, it's more than Luka, Shai and JB)
Kuminga is top-50 in both post-up and ISO frequency, despite being terribly inefficient on those possessions.


Do you think the Warriors would be better off giving Jimmy and Kuminga even more ISO/post-ups? Who else on the team is worthy of getting ISO/post-ups? Moody? Podz? Hield? Quinten Post? Horford? What offense should they be running where they'd be better off?
 
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if you dont nurture the youth then you have to accept a fall off.
I don't necessarily disagree with that.

But tell me - which players from the youth movement should they have invested in to take over? Not even the Wizards wanted Poole and he's currently coming off the bench for the Pels. Wiseman was passed around from team-to-team and is now out of the league.

It's not like these players they drafted went on to do better and bigger things when they left GS. They fell off the map, most of whom never to be seen again.
 

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You don't think they're doing that?

They accomodated KD when he was on the team, even to the point where he was dragging down the offense doing too much ISO in the playoffs.

This is from this season:

Jimmy is 27th in the league in ISO frequency (to put into perspective, it's an identical frequency to Giannis)
Jimmy is 36th in the league in post-up frequency (to put into perspective, it's more than Luka, Shai and JB)
Kuminga is top-50 in both post-up and ISO frequency, despite being terribly inefficient on those possessions.


Do you think the Warriors would be better off giving Jimmy and Kuminga even more ISO/post-ups? Who else on the team is worthy of getting ISO/post-ups? Moody? Podz? Hield? Quinten Post? Horford? What offense should they be running where they'd be better off?
No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying I don’t like there system anymore with the pieces they have. It will likely start to work later in the season but it’s way too Steph centric to the detriment of others. The kd warriors was a long time ago and Kd is…Kd. In the mean time, they need to trade kuminga for more role players.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with that.

But tell me - which players from the youth movement should they have invested in to take over? Not even the Wizards wanted Poole and he's currently coming off the bench for the Pels. Wiseman was passed around from team-to-team and is now out of the league.

It's not like these players they drafted went on to do better and bigger things when they left GS. They fell off the map, most of whom never to be seen again.
it's not even just trying to keep and develop guys like poole and kaminga; they are not even a destination for any free agent with a future.
 

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Not getting rid of Dray showed that they're not committed to winning.

"Agendas?" This is the same selfish dude with a history of throwing temper tantrums during games, drawing Ts , and costing his team chances to win games.


This.

Draymond should have been traded.
as soon as his emo outburst.
cost the warriors at repeat title with 73-9.
Since then draymind has ruined wjat should have been two back to back titles.
displaying social dysfunction activity and behavior. Plus draymond was not the defensive savant or catalyst in the finals. That was klay who was the dominant defense specialist. Whom they disrespected and treated like chop liver. As well as taking away klay from cannon curry too.
Just completely unfocused front office lack of roster positional management. On and off court.


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if you dont nurture the youth then you have to accept a fall off.
.....but they have been nurtured. just because they aren't given 35 mpg to play like a tanking team doesnt mean they've been shafted :comeon:


And again, just about every single draft pick the warriors had in the Kerr era has peaked when playing for Golden State. Every single last one. If a draft pick leaves, they are out of the league or playing worse on a bad team. It goes downhill pretty damn quick for these guys

Jordan Bell - played minutes in the 2017 playoffs/finals, 2018 playoffs/finals, 2019 playoffs/finals --> left golden state and immediately dropped out the league

Jacob Evans best years came in GSW. after he left, he immediately fell out the league

Damian Jones left GSW and bounced around and was out the league

James wiseman is a bust

Kevon Looney is in New Orleans doing nothing on an abysmal Pelicans team

Poole was traded and is an afterthought on the Pelicans after a forgettable Wizards stint

Patrick Baldwin Jr is in the G-league

Patrick McCaw did nothing after leaving the Warriors.

Smailagic is back overseas after doing nothing in GSW

Eric paschall made all-rookie 1st team in GSW, was traded, and is out the league. Video from 2 seasons ago showed he was overweight





My point is, just about ALL these guys' best years were in GSW. They leave the Warriors and flame out. No one is holding any young player back, they're just not good. Plain and simple. Blaming Kerr, or Curry, or draymond for them sucking is nonsense
 

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.....but they have been nurtured. just because they aren't given 35 mpg to play like a tanking team doesnt mean they've been shafted :comeon:


And again, just about every single draft pick the warriors had in the Kerr era has peaked when playing for Golden State. Every single last one. If a draft pick leaves, they are out of the league or playing worse on a bad team. It goes downhill pretty damn quick for these guys

Jordan Bell - played minutes in the 2017 playoffs/finals, 2018 playoffs/finals, 2019 playoffs/finals --> left golden state and immediately dropped out the league

Jacob Evans best years came in GSW. after he left, he immediately fell out the league

Damian Jones left GSW and bounced around and was out the league

James wiseman is a bust

Kevon Looney is in New Orleans doing nothing on an abysmal Pelicans team

Poole was traded and is an afterthought on the Pelicans after a forgettable Wizards stint

Patrick Baldwin Jr is in the G-league

Patrick McCaw did nothing after leaving the Warriors.

Smailagic is back overseas after doing nothing in GSW

Eric paschall made all-rookie 1st team in GSW, was traded, and is out the league. Video from 2 seasons ago showed he was overweight






My point is, just about ALL these guys' best years were in GSW. They leave the Warriors and flame out. No one is holding any young player back, they're just not good. Plain and simple. Blaming Kerr, or Curry, or draymond for them sucking is nonsense
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