Drop in Summer Work for Teenagers Linked to Increased Immigration

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EXACTLY

of course a teenager is gonna do UBER and E COMMERCE


Sometimes you nikkas should just shut the hell up .





Wow

Your a horrible poster breh. That's the way to do it . shyt on blacks to support Immigration . Anything to push the democratic agenda .

I don't give a damn about immigrants but I do have the reading comprehension.

"In the summer of 1978, 60 percent of teens were working or looking for work," the Atlantic‘s Derek Thompson recently wrote. "Last summer, just 35 percent were."


"Increased minimum wage has also reduced the likelihood that companies will employ inexperienced seasonal workers"



"while teenagers' focus on summer classes has contributed to the downturn in their workforce participation."



I know you all want illegal immigrants to be the big bad boogie man but there are other factors in play as to why Trevor and Tyrone aren't working or looking for work this summer.

But this is higher learning. We don't have to rely on an article from FreeBeacon.

Government cutbacks:
Less summer jobs available to area teens after federal funding cuts

Less entry level jobs:
Here's Why the Summer Job is Disappearing

Pew researchers also found that teen employment differed across racial groups. White teenagers in the U.S. were more likely to work summer jobs last year, with employment at 34% for white 16 to 19-year-olds—versus 19% for black teens, 23% for Asian teens, and 25% for Hispanic teens.

racism still seems to be big issue for blacks seeking jobs.

Unpaid internships don't count as jobs. So picking up skills doesn't already count as being a worker even though you're working.

Hrmm maybe we're overstating why less kids are working:

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?

"Just 7 percent of American teens are NEETs, which is lower than France and about the same as the mean of all advanced economies in the OECD. The supposed laziness of American teenagers is unchanging and, literally, average."

NEET == Neither in education, employment, or training

Maybe I was on to something earlier. Maybe kids are actually taking their education more seriously and are actually enrolled in classes to meet the competitiveness of secondary education:

Oh wow, the number of kids taking summer courses has almost sextupled. Could that have something to do with less teens working in the summer?


"Since the mid-1990s, the share of teenagers who say they wish they were working has fallen by about 50 percent, according to the BLS. That suggests—although it cannot prove—that summer jobs have lost cultural cachet, as the norm has shifted away from working."

Two things to note: only 15 percent on-working teenagers want to work.


The drop in Hispanic summer work is actually larger than that of AAs 25 percent compared to roughly 5 percent.

I know. I know. The data doesn't fit your narrative.

 

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Can you imagine a teenager pulling up as your UBER driver?

UBER probably wouldn't even want to cover the insurance for a teen driver, especially male one.

These dudes is retarded. He literally said teens should be doing uber for summer jobs .

I don't give a damn about immigrants but I do have the reading comprehension.

"In the summer of 1978, 60 percent of teens were working or looking for work," the Atlantic‘s Derek Thompson recently wrote. "Last summer, just 35 percent were."


"Increased minimum wage has also reduced the likelihood that companies will employ inexperienced seasonal workers"



"while teenagers' focus on summer classes has contributed to the downturn in their workforce participation."



I know you all want illegal immigrants to be the big bad boogie man but there are other factors in play as to why Trevor and Tyrone aren't working or looking for work this summer.

But this is higher learning. We don't have to rely on an article from FreeBeacon.

Government cutbacks:
Less summer jobs available to area teens after federal funding cuts

Less entry level jobs:
Here's Why the Summer Job is Disappearing


racism still seems to be big issue for blacks seeking jobs.

Unpaid internships don't count as jobs. So picking up skills doesn't already count as being a worker even though you're working.

Hrmm maybe we're overstating why less kids are working:

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?

"Just 7 percent of American teens are NEETs, which is lower than France and about the same as the mean of all advanced economies in the OECD. The supposed laziness of American teenagers is unchanging and, literally, average."

NEET == Neither in education, employment, or training

Maybe I was on to something earlier. Maybe kids are actually taking their education more seriously and are actually enrolled in classes to meet the competitiveness of secondary education:

Oh wow, the number of kids taking summer courses has almost sextupled. Could that have something to do with less teens working in the summer?


"Since the mid-1990s, the share of teenagers who say they wish they were working has fallen by about 50 percent, according to the BLS. That suggests—although it cannot prove—that summer jobs have lost cultural cachet, as the norm has shifted away from working."

Two things to note: only 15 percent on-working teenagers want to work.


The drop in Hispanic summer work is actually larger than that of AAs 25 percent compared to roughly 5 percent.

I know. I know. The data doesn't fit your narrative.

Your idiot breh .

 

[Phoenix Rising]

I don't give a damn about immigrants but I do have the reading comprehension.

"In the summer of 1978, 60 percent of teens were working or looking for work," the Atlantic‘s Derek Thompson recently wrote. "Last summer, just 35 percent were."


"Increased minimum wage has also reduced the likelihood that companies will employ inexperienced seasonal workers"



"while teenagers' focus on summer classes has contributed to the downturn in their workforce participation."



I know you all want illegal immigrants to be the big bad boogie man but there are other factors in play as to why Trevor and Tyrone aren't working or looking for work this summer.

But this is higher learning. We don't have to rely on an article from FreeBeacon.

Government cutbacks:
Less summer jobs available to area teens after federal funding cuts

Less entry level jobs:
Here's Why the Summer Job is Disappearing


racism still seems to be big issue for blacks seeking jobs.

Unpaid internships don't count as jobs. So picking up skills doesn't already count as being a worker even though you're working.

Hrmm maybe we're overstating why less kids are working:

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?

"Just 7 percent of American teens are NEETs, which is lower than France and about the same as the mean of all advanced economies in the OECD. The supposed laziness of American teenagers is unchanging and, literally, average."

NEET == Neither in education, employment, or training

Maybe I was on to something earlier. Maybe kids are actually taking their education more seriously and are actually enrolled in classes to meet the competitiveness of secondary education:

Oh wow, the number of kids taking summer courses has almost sextupled. Could that have something to do with less teens working in the summer?


"Since the mid-1990s, the share of teenagers who say they wish they were working has fallen by about 50 percent, according to the BLS. That suggests—although it cannot prove—that summer jobs have lost cultural cachet, as the norm has shifted away from working."

Two things to note: only 15 percent on-working teenagers want to work.


The drop in Hispanic summer work is actually larger than that of AAs 25 percent compared to roughly 5 percent.

I know. I know. The data doesn't fit your narrative.

You skipped over the part in the Atlantic article that mentioned that illegal immigration was a factor... you were so busy championing your reading comprehension skills you missed that part.

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?
First, the rise of low-skill immigration in the last few decades has created more competition for exactly the sort of jobs that teenagers used to do, like grocery-store cashiers, restaurant servers, and retail salespeople.

I actually didn't comment as a way to bash illegal immigration mind you but your over sensitivity to admitting that illegal immigration has in impact is astounding....

Also, as far as kids taking more summer school, god no!!!!

There's more to education than school for the love of God ... and summer work and summer school aren't mutually exclusive. They don't cancel each other out... teens can do both.

And I'm also curious who the NEET study looked at. There's a huge segment of the population that is never gets looked out, the working class and poor...two groups Dems like you love to ignore,lol

Poor Kids Need Summer Jobs. Rich Kids Get Them.
Poor Kids Need Summer Jobs. Rich Kids Get Them.

It’s July, which means that across the country teenagers are flipping burgers, scooping ice cream and mowing lawns to save up money for school clothes, movie tickets and — oh, right — college tuition. But fewer young Americans are working summer jobs than in decades past, and fewer of those jobs are going to the teens who need them most.

The improving job market is gradually beginning to benefit teens, who are often among the first to lose jobs during a recession and the last to find them in a recovery. During the 2008-2009 recession, the share of Americans ages 16 to 19 working during the summer plummeted from 40 percent to less than 30 percent, a steeper drop than for the population at large. But last year, the teen employment rate rose to 32 percent, and with the unemployment rate now below 5 percent, most experts expect even more teens to find jobs this year.

That rebound, however, has barely made a dent in the decades-long decline in teen employment. In the summer of 1995, more than half of teens age 16 to 19 worked in the summer; today, less than a third do. The drop has been especially steep for boys, who are now less likely than girls to work during the summer. Experts attribute the decline to a variety of forces: the disappearance of many entry-level jobs, the rising share of young people spending their summers in school or other educational activities and, at least recently, a rising minimum wage. (Employers may not see teen workers — especially those with less experience or fewer skills — as worth $10 or more per hour.)

Young Americans from low-income families have been especially hard-hit by the decline in summer employment. According to data from the Current Population Survey, teenagers whose families make less than $20,000 per year are now less than half as likely to work as those from families who earn at least $100,000, and, unlike their wealthier peers, low-income teens have seen hardly any rebound in employment since the recession ended. (Black and Hispanic teens, too, have far lower employment rates than whites.)

Teens from less privileged backgrounds face numerous barriers to finding jobs. They are less likely to own a car (or have access to one), and often live in areas where jobs are scarce. Their parents are less likely to be able to help them get a foot in the door at a local business. They may attend schools that are, or are perceived as, inferior, making them less attractive to prospective employers. And they may face discrimination based on race, class or other factors. None of those barriers is new, of course, but they may have grown higher as the U.S. has become more unequal and more segregated by class.

Unfortunately, low-income teens are also the ones who most need summer jobs. They need the money, of course — a job that might provide pocket-money to a middle-class teen could be a key source of income for someone from a poorer family. But they also need the experience. Young people from low-income backgrounds can’t count on family connections, expensive extracurricular activities or, in most cases, degrees from private colleges to help them land jobs as adults. So they are particularly dependent on work experience to get ahead. Past research has found that at-risk teens who work perform better academically, are less likely to get into trouble with the law and earn more as adults than those who don’t.

 

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You skipped over the part in the Atlantic article that mentioned that illegal immigration was a factor... you we so busy championing your reading comprehension skills missed that part.

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?
First, the rise of low-skill immigration in the last few decades has created more competition for exactly the sort of jobs that teenagers used to do, like grocery-store cashiers, restaurant servers, and retail salespeople.

I actually didn't comment as a way to bash illegal immigration mind you but your over sensitivity to admitting that illegal immigration has in impact is astounding....

Also, as far as kids taking more summer school, god no!!!!

There's more to education than school for the love of God ... and summer work and summer school aren't mutually exclusive. They don't cancel each other out... teens can do both.

As far as government funding for teen work...I didn't get job through the government when I was a kid, I got it through the private sector or I made my own job babysitting.

The Atlantic pointed out that teens are being affected by same economic forces adults face when they enter the private sector job market, the recession affected work for teens greatly.

And I'm also curious who the NEET study polled. There's a huge segment of the population that is never gets looked out, the working class and poor...two groups Dems like you love to ignore,lol


Poor Kids Need Summer Jobs. Rich Kids Get Them.
Poor Kids Need Summer Jobs. Rich Kids Get Them.

It’s July, which means that across the country teenagers are flipping burgers, scooping ice cream and mowing lawns to save up money for school clothes, movie tickets and — oh, right — college tuition. But fewer young Americans are working summer jobs than in decades past, and fewer of those jobs are going to the teens who need them most.

The improving job market is gradually beginning to benefit teens, who are often among the first to lose jobs during a recession and the last to find them in a recovery. During the 2008-2009 recession, the share of Americans ages 16 to 19 working during the summer plummeted from 40 percent to less than 30 percent, a steeper drop than for the population at large. But last year, the teen employment rate rose to 32 percent, and with the unemployment rate now below 5 percent, most experts expect even more teens to find jobs this year.

That rebound, however, has barely made a dent in the decades-long decline in teen employment. In the summer of 1995, more than half of teens age 16 to 19 worked in the summer; today, less than a third do. The drop has been especially steep for boys, who are now less likely than girls to work during the summer. Experts attribute the decline to a variety of forces: the disappearance of many entry-level jobs, the rising share of young people spending their summers in school or other educational activities and, at least recently, a rising minimum wage. (Employers may not see teen workers — especially those with less experience or fewer skills — as worth $10 or more per hour.)

Young Americans from low-income families have been especially hard-hit by the decline in summer employment. According to data from the Current Population Survey, teenagers whose families make less than $20,000 per year are now less than half as likely to work as those from families who earn at least $100,000, and, unlike their wealthier peers, low-income teens have seen hardly any rebound in employment since the recession ended. (Black and Hispanic teens, too, have far lower employment rates than whites.)

Teens from less privileged backgrounds face numerous barriers to finding jobs. They are less likely to own a car (or have access to one), and often live in areas where jobs are scarce. Their parents are less likely to be able to help them get a foot in the door at a local business. They may attend schools that are, or are perceived as, inferior, making them less attractive to prospective employers. And they may face discrimination based on race, class or other factors. None of those barriers is new, of course, but they may have grown higher as the U.S. has become more unequal and more segregated by class.

Unfortunately, low-income teens are also the ones who most need summer jobs. They need the money, of course — a job that might provide pocket-money to a middle-class teen could be a key source of income for someone from a poorer family. But they also need the experience. Young people from low-income backgrounds can’t count on family connections, expensive extracurricular activities or, in most cases, degrees from private colleges to help them land jobs as adults. So they are particularly dependent on work experience to get ahead. Past research has found that at-risk teens who work perform better academically, are less likely to get into trouble with the law and earn more as adults than those who don’t.

I don't disagree that illegal immigration plays a role. But I see no evidence to suggest it's more prevalent than other factors, that in my opinion are bigger issues, to support right wing anti immigrant rhetoric. Rhetoric, again to me, is rooted more in racism than anything.

To each their own though.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

I don't give a damn about immigrants but I do have the reading comprehension.

"In the summer of 1978, 60 percent of teens were working or looking for work," the Atlantic‘s Derek Thompson recently wrote. "Last summer, just 35 percent were."


"Increased minimum wage has also reduced the likelihood that companies will employ inexperienced seasonal workers"



"while teenagers' focus on summer classes has contributed to the downturn in their workforce participation."



I know you all want illegal immigrants to be the big bad boogie man but there are other factors in play as to why Trevor and Tyrone aren't working or looking for work this summer.

But this is higher learning. We don't have to rely on an article from FreeBeacon.

Government cutbacks:
Less summer jobs available to area teens after federal funding cuts

Less entry level jobs:
Here's Why the Summer Job is Disappearing


racism still seems to be big issue for blacks seeking jobs.

Unpaid internships don't count as jobs. So picking up skills doesn't already count as being a worker even though you're working.

Hrmm maybe we're overstating why less kids are working:

Teenagers Have Stopped Getting Summer Jobs—Why?

"Just 7 percent of American teens are NEETs, which is lower than France and about the same as the mean of all advanced economies in the OECD. The supposed laziness of American teenagers is unchanging and, literally, average."

NEET == Neither in education, employment, or training

Maybe I was on to something earlier. Maybe kids are actually taking their education more seriously and are actually enrolled in classes to meet the competitiveness of secondary education:

Oh wow, the number of kids taking summer courses has almost sextupled. Could that have something to do with less teens working in the summer?


"Since the mid-1990s, the share of teenagers who say they wish they were working has fallen by about 50 percent, according to the BLS. That suggests—although it cannot prove—that summer jobs have lost cultural cachet, as the norm has shifted away from working."

Two things to note: only 15 percent on-working teenagers want to work.


The drop in Hispanic summer work is actually larger than that of AAs 25 percent compared to roughly 5 percent.

I know. I know. The data doesn't fit your narrative.

Here's another article highlighting that some teens HAVE to work...and that labor forces are pushing them out the job market.

Affluent teens twice as likely to find seasonal work
Teens facing a jobs gap as well, study finds
Teens from well-off families most likely to land summer jobs, study finds - The Boston Globe

From her dorm room at Milton Academy, Mariah Redfern searches for a full-time summer job that will help her buy new clothes and pay for American University, which she will attend in the fall and where tuition alone tops $40,000 a year.

Just 13 miles away, in a Chelsea apartment she shares with six siblings, Halima Osman searches for summer work so she can help her parents pay bills and expenses.
study last year by the Brookings Institution, a think tank, found that the percentage of employed teens had plunged by nearly half in a decade, to 24 percent in 2011.

This year, nearly 30 percent of teens are expected to work, according to the Drexel report, up from recent years, but still well below the 2000 peak of 52 percent.


Osman, the Chelsea teen, currently works about 10 hours a week at the nonprofit Chelsea Collaborative, earning about $120 a week, which she said helps pay the bills for her family, with children ages 2 to 16. Her mother cares for the children, and her father works at McDonald’s.

Osman, 16, the oldest child, said she needs to earn more and hopes to land a full-time job this summer. But she said she felt discouraged after applying to more than a dozen retailers and getting no responses.

“People underestimate youth,” she said. “They don’t think they can work, and they usually look past them and look to adults.”

Redfern, the Milton Academy senior, said she got her first paycheck last year when she was accepted into a leadership program run by a nonprofit called The City School in Dorchester. The six-week program paid a stipend of $100 per week, and participants learned about a range of issues, from community organizing to economic inequality.

She heard about the program from a friend at Milton Academy, which sponsored Redfern. She said her mother, a high-level insurance executive, also strongly encouraged her to get involved.

Redfern, 18, has yet to begin her search for a summer job, but she said she turned down offers to join classmates in post-graduation Caribbean vacations because she needs to look for a job. “We’re not so upper-crust that I don’t need to work,” she said. “You don’t know what you’re going to get, and kinda lucky if you get anything.”

Robert Pollin, an economist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and codirector of the Political Economy Research Institute, said there are no quick fixes to inequities that leave teens who could most use a job with the least chance of landing one. Community outreach and training programs, he said, are vital to helping people at the bottom of the economic ladder.

Mayor Martin J. Walsh is lobbying Boston companies to hire more city youths to complement the millions in state and local dollars that pay for teens to work at pools, parks, and in other public-sector jobs. Last year, he fell slightly short of a goal to employ 12,000 teens, but aggressively recruited employers for this summer, youth advocates said.

JOANNE RATHE/GLOBE STAFF

Halima Osman, 16, has applied for summer jobs in retailing but has not received any responses.

Pollin noted, however, that teens from privileged backgrounds still have advantages because they receive guidance and support from parents that might not be available — or possible — in poor families.

For example, Pollin said, his godson had a job at a fast-food restaurant, but could not drive. Fortunately, his parents were willing to pick him up when his shift ended at 3 a.m. “These things matter hugely,” he said.

The Boston Private Industry Council, which places public school students in summer jobs, said its work has become more important as the employment rate among teens from low-income families has fallen faster than for those from affluent households.

The council helped place 2,700 Boston teens in private jobs last summer, 80 percent of whom qualified for free or reduced-price school lunches. Executive director Neil Sullivan said teens need access not only to education, but also to jobs, to help them and their families climb out of poverty.

“That’s the America we want, but the labor market data says that’s not happening,” Sullivan said. “Youth employment has to be a very conscious public-policy effort. Without that, the income gap grows wider, generation by generation.”

 

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These dudes is retarded. He literally said teens should be doing uber for summer jobs .



Your idiot breh .

My 6 figure 6 cert lifestyle disagrees with you. :youmadcam:

I also don't see you refuting any of the information presented. :DameMJLol:

 

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Here's another article highlighting that some teens HAVE to work...and that labor forces are pushing them out the job marke

I haven't said that no teens have to work. I have said that should not be our primary focus

Granted I'm also against people having children if they can't afford them (random hardship aside).

 

[Pressure]

Your idiot breh .

The Irony.

 

[theworldismine13]

 

[Phoenix Rising]

I haven't said that no teens have to work. I have said that should not be our primary focus

Granted I'm also against people having children if they can't afford them (random hardship aside).

Except for if they're illegal immigrants right?

Why shouldn't work be the primary focus???? What the hell you want kids to go to school for?

Oh I know, for cultural enrichment and an enlightened mind..whatever.

There are better ways to enrich yourself outside of the education system. If anything, especially these days, all the school system do are indoctrinate kids with whatever philosophy is ruling the day...these days it's liberalism...I'd much rather my kid develop a strong work ethic and learn skills you can't learn in a classroom.

 

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Why shouldn't work be the primary focus???? What the hell you want kids to go to school for?

We're talking about summer jobs. The article is referring to shyt like working as a cashier, being a lifeguard, mowing lawns, gap employees or any other low skill low wage job.

THOSE TYPES OF JOBS SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS.

People go to school for a variety of reasons. Me, I went to play D1 sports and get an education from a good school, network, and give myself a better chance at having a well paying job that would allow me to provide for myself and live the type of life I desire.

That said, I played sports, I worked summer jobs at restaurants and bars, and it's not even a footnote on my resume.

There are better ways to enrich yourself outside of the education system. If anything, especially these days, all the school system do are indoctrinate kids with whatever philosophy is ruling the day...these days it's liberalism...I'd much rather my kid develop a strong work ethic and learn skills you can't learn in a classroom.

Sounds like a bad gamble. And a bunch of false equivalence.

"I don't want my kids going to no college. They just need to learn a trade."

Shall we also disregard the income disparity between the two:

Indeed, median annual earnings for full-time working 25- to 32-year-olds with bachelor's degrees grew by nearly $6,700 to $45,500 from 1965 to 2013. During that same time, median annual earnings for high school graduates in that same age group fell by nearly $3,400 to $28,000.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

We're talking about summer jobs. The article is referring to shyt like working as a cashier, being a lifeguard, mowing lawns, gap employees or any other low skill low wage job.

THOSE TYPES OF JOBS SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS.

People go to school for a variety of reasons. Me, I went to play D1 sports and get an education from a good school, network, and give myself a better chance at having a well paying job that would allow me to provide for myself and live the type of life I desire.

That said, I played sports, I worked summer jobs at restaurants and bars, and it's not even a footnote on my resume.



Sounds like a bad gamble. And a bunch of false equivalence.

"I don't want my kids going to no college. They just need to learn a trade."

Shall we also disregard the income disparity between the two:

Who said it would be the pinnacle of anyone's resume? Like I said, some kids don't have a choice they NEED these jobs, regardless to how you look down on them. ...

We're talking about 16 year olds with no work experience. There's nothing wrong with a young kid being a cashier, or bagging groceries. And for teenagers yes those jobs should be the focus! They're teenagers and for the most part that's the kind of work most will do.

My point was most people go to school to get a job (or career or whatever you want to call it). So learning about the workforce should be the focus even if it means you start at a menial labor job and especially for kids who need to make money to help their families out.

All this talk about college vs. trade school is your arrogance talking. I never said anything about kids not going to college...I said the education system isn't the only place to get an education, there's a lot of learning to be down outside of the school system. Work is included in that, even if it's just working a fast food job. At the least it's the first time some kids encounter making their own money which they can budget, save, invest...even waste an learn the consequence of that. And for kids who have to help out a menial job will help them do that.

Oh yeah, and thank god President Obama was never as arrogant as you...Sasha would have been told she's too good to be ringing people up at a register if that was the case...

 

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Who said it would be the pinnacle of anyone's resume? Like I said, some kids don't have a choice they NEED these jobs, regardless to how you look down on them. ...

We're talking about 16 year olds with no work experience. There's nothing wrong with a young kid being a cashier, or bagging groceries. And for teenagers yes those jobs should be the focus! They're teenagers and for the most part that's the kind of work most will do.

My point was most people go to school to get a job (or career or whatever you want to call it). So learning about the workforce should be the focus even if it means you start at a menial labor job and especially for kids who need to make money to help their families out.

All this talk about college vs. trade school is your arrogance talking. I never said anything about kids not going to college...I said the education system isn't the only place to get an education, there's a lot of learning to be down outside of the school system. Work is included in that, even if it's just working a fast food job. At the least it's the first time some kids encounter making their own money which they can budget, save, invest...even waste an learn the consequence of that. And for kids who have to help out a menial job will help them do that.

Oh yeah, and thank god President Obama was never as arrogant as you...Sasha would have been told she's too good to be ringing people up at a register if that was the case...

It seems you're going off on a tangent.

What does any of this have to do with illegal immigrants?

What I've said in this thread is being concerned with illegal immigrants in regards to summer jobs should be a lesser concern because studies and statistics show that the black community has an academic proficiency problem that is holding back the youth way more than illegal immigrants.

I then showed you several different statistics that shows other factors besides immigration that explains the shrinkage in summer employment.

You agreed that many of the issues that affect the oven labor force also are at play here.

I then showed you that only at most around 10 to 15 percent of non working teens who aren't working, but are looking for summer work are unable to find jobs.

One of the major factors is that those jobs are already held by full time and more experienced workers due to general American labor issues.

I've admitted that immigration has played a role as well. I however have not seen any evidence of the common argument for illegal immigrants taking Jobs from Americans. That issue so often spouted is that they're undercutting wages. Likely because these are already low wage or almost no wage jobs to begin with.

Then at some point you turned this into an argument about kids having to supplement their household income. I said this is a reality for some and unfortunate but it still doesn't change the importantance of getting an education and getting a better opportunity to get out. Nor does it change the factors at play regarding summer jobs.

I completely disagree with the following:

And for teenagers yes those jobs should be the focus! They're teenagers and for the most part that's the kind of work most will do.

While these are the types of jobs many teens get, they are certainly less valuable from a skill development perspective than an internship. And internships count as being unemployed in your stats.

Lastly, using Obama's children as an argument for the common person just seems wildly off base.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

It seems you're going off on a tangent.

What does any of this have to do with illegal immigrants?

What I've said in this thread is being concerned with illegal immigrants in regards to summer jobs should be a lesser concern because studies and statistics show that the black community has an academic proficiency problem that is holding back the youth way more than illegal immigrants.

I then showed you several different statistics that shows other factors besides immigration that explains the shrinkage in summer employment.

You agreed that many of the issues that affect the oven labor force also are at play here.

I then showed you that only at most around 10 to 15 percent of non working teens who aren't working, but are looking for summer work are unable to find jobs.

One of the major factors is that those jobs are already held by full time and more experienced workers due to general American labor issues.

I've admitted that immigration has played a role as well. I however have not seen any evidence of the common argument for illegal immigrants taking Jobs from Americans. That issue so often spouted is that they're undercutting wages. Likely because these are already low wage or almost no wage jobs to begin with.

Then at some point you turned this into an argument about kids having to supplement their household income. I said this is a reality for some and unfortunate but it still doesn't change the importantance of getting an education and getting a better opportunity to get out. Nor does it change the factors at play regarding summer jobs.

I completely disagree with the following:



While these are the types of jobs many teens get, they are certainly less valuable from a skill development perspective than an internship. And internships count as being unemployed in your stats.

Lastly, using Obama's children as an argument for the common person just seems wildly off base.

You hate losing don't you....

The article itself said that illegal immigration is a factor. You're trying to say, "so what" to you it's not that big of an impact and black kids shouldn't care anyway cuz they need more book learning....them ninjas can't even read so they need to be trying harder in school not getting a job as a cashier. lol.

The fact is illegal immigration IS impacting teens being able to find work. You off on a tangent arguing...it's not the only thing leave my illegals alone!

The fact also is, as pointed out that poor kids NEED not want these jobs that illegals are impacting...you just don't seem to care because working class and poor black people don't turn you on as much as illegal immigrants do...you can't be bother to care because black people should just do better and you think for some reason that summer school and summer jobs are mutually exclusive and can't be done at the same time.

I've been pointing out your arrogance because it's telling hence why I've been poking at how you look down on working class black people and poor black people who you think shouldn't be having kids anyway if they can't afford it (though due to your hard on for illegals the same criticism doesn't seem to apply).

I'm not off on no tangent...you just talk so much crazy I spot and point out how arrogant you sound when it comes to black people...I'm shocked by it is all...

And finally, I don't hate illegal immigrants...I know they are being exploited by greed and abused by corporation for cheap labor a practice that I don't want to see continued. I have some wild stories I could tell having worked with that population and seeing things up close....I'm not just talking Mexicans btw.

 

[Shogun]

I work with lower-middle class white kids, and they're generally too lazy/spoiled to work a mimimum wage job, or dont have time because theyre forced to play 3 sports and join 15 clubs in order to get into a decent college.