Duncan or Hakeem, who you taking?

[Jplaya2023]

you had a point until you said this redundant shyt right here If duncan is in the top 12, that means he can also be in the top #8

My point is dream is probably 6-8 duncan is 8-12. I should have been more clear.

 

[Frump]

Lol Fukk outta here.

Without Googling, rank these numbers in order from most impressive to least impressive. (i rounded up or down the numbers)

28 PPG, 11 Rebounds, 4 Assist, 2 steals, 3 blocks per game 52%FG
26 PPG, 14 rebounds, 4 Assist, 1 steal, 3 blocks per game 51%FG
30 PPG ,11 rebounds, 5 assist, 2 steals, 3 blocks per game 51%FG

Who gives a fukk about regular season numbers anyone who knows the game realizes how much better Olajuwon was then the admiral

 

[Jplaya2023]

They fukkING ADDED CLYDE DREXLER

I get that, Drex is great. THEY ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WIN THE TITLE WITHOUT Drexler.

Having said that, dream still had to do what he did to get them to the chip with clyde as well.

Duncan has played with better teammates than dream throughout his career. I believe we can agree on that.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Duncan, and its not as close as you guys are portraying. Hakeem is great but there is a straight up love affair with him on the coli. The man had incredible moves but he lost to Barkley Malone Robinson and others a lot and even in 95 the rockets were damn near 500 before the drexler trade. He had a lot of help when he got over the hump....


Duncan came in the league and won immediate and never fukkin stopped and has tier ZERO longevity...absolutely him

Rockets were Under .500 after the Drexler trade 17-18

1995 Playoffs

33ppg
10 Rebounds
4 Assists
53% FG

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...nson-deserved-the-1995-nba-mvp-203838896.html

His Back to Back Finals run stats

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html#1994-1995-sum:playoffs_per_game

He Averaged 26/11 for his career in the playoffs, thats including his final 2 years when he fell off in Houston and Toronto

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Hakeem faced tougher big men & won with less..

Duncan faced off against prime Shaq, KG, Karl Malone, C-Webb, Dirk, Rasheed, Yao, and prime Amare

 

[Jplaya2023]

Tim if I am choosing. He will anchor your offense and defense for almost 20 years and you are guaranteed 50 wins a season. Talk all you want about a system but Tim had teams tanking in 97 for the chance to get him. He was a franchise changing talent no matter where he went and he would have had success regardless if he was with the Spurs or not. Dream is that dude and is an all time great too but cats overhype him a bit like he was head and shoulders above Duncan when that is not the case at all.

lol so dream wasn't a franchise changing talent either? They were both drafted #1 but their situations were different. The spurs were a perennial 55-60 win team in the years before they tanked to get duncan. Had tim went to a real lottery team say the celtics i guarantee you they wouldn't of won 50 games every year and won the title their second year.

Imagine a team like the hawks (could never get over the hump like the spurs) tanking and landing akeem in the 84 draft to pair with Nique and those boys.

 

[lightskin jermaine]

duncan hands down. hakeem ended his career looking on the raptors, meanwhile, tim is still an all nba player at 39 years old.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

lol so dream wasn't a franchise changing talent either? They were both drafted #1 but their situations were different. The spurs were a perennial 55-60 win team in the years before they tanked to get duncan. Had tim went to a real lottery team say the celtics i guarantee you they wouldn't of won 50 games every year and won the title their second year.

Imagine a team like the hawks (could never get over the hump like the spurs) tanking and landing akeem in the 84 draft to pair with Nique and those boys.

The Spurs had how many titles before Tim? Timmy would've won anywhere he went

5>2

 

[Jplaya2023]

Duncan faced off against prime Shaq, KG, Karl Malone, C-Webb, Dirk, Rasheed, Yao, and prime Amare

I'll give you Shaq, the rest were PFs and duncan (sans yao) and tim is a 7footer.

A prime duncan got shut down by a 40 year old malone in the 04 western semi's

meanwhile dream averaged 35 on 56% shooting against a prime malone (utah team) in the 95 playoffs

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Who gives a fukk about regular season numbers anyone who knows the game realizes how much better Olajuwon was then the admiral

damn you basically said basketball doesn't matter, its bout what you believe

 

[Jplaya2023]

The Spurs had how many titles before Tim? Timmy would've won anywhere he went

5>2

how many titles did houston have before dream? fukk outta here

 

[FTBS]

The hyping of Duncan's teammates never ceases to amaze me . It's like dudes just can't process how great dude is because he's so lame and unathletic and he isn't flashy so it had to be Mario Elie, Robert Horry (nikkas who Dream played with BTW), Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, young and inconsistent TP and Manu, and flabby D. Rob, not his two way greatness that keyed the Spurs . The Spurs went from a yearly playoff disappointment to the most consistent team in the league over a damn near 20 year stretch and the only player there for the whole ride has been Tim but yeah it's all about everybody else .

That said they have always been my 1 and 2 in terms of modern bigs and I have always but Dream first. But what Duncan has done in the twilight of his career can't be denied. Beyond that, if we take the nostalgia glasses off was Dream's peak really that much greater than Duncan's? . I gotta say it's Duncan. He came close enough to Dream at his peak and he blows him out of the water in terms of longevity.

 

[FAH1223]

I'll give the duncan the edge in longevity, but peak for peak it's dream and it's really not even close. Dream was the better scorer, re bounder, defender, etc.. Duncan was a gifted passer.

Duncan was his team #1 scoring option for upwards of 13-14 years. Plus up until 37, the man played atleast 35 minutes a game a night.

Duncan has had his career extended through pop chopping his minutes in half and allowing parker, manu, and now leonard to be the #1 option on offense while duncan has regressed to the 3rd or 4th option on occassions. Simple luxuries dream wasn't allotted to have in his career. Duncan hasn't played over 32 minutes a game now in 6 years. That saves a lot of tread on his tire.

To me duncan is top 12 all time.

Dream is top 8

You kinda contradicted yourself there.

Timmy hasn't played 33-34 minutes a game since 2009. Pop started cutting his minutes after 2004 when Tim was still in the prime of his career. If you recall, Pop played Timmy like 40 minutes during the first 4 years of his career.

As far as Dream vs. Duncan, its tough to say. I gotta go with Duncan because he's lasted longer than Hakeem at this point and the Spurs are always getting 50 wins.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

I'll give you Shaq, the rest were PFs and duncan (sans yao) and tim is a 7footer.

A prime duncan got shut down by a 40 year old malone in the 04 western semi's

meanwhile dream averaged 35 on 56% shooting against a prime malone (utah team) in the 95 playoffs

But Duncan is a PF and the majority of elite bigs of his era were PF's so he went up and guarded all of those PF's

And he still put up 20-12 in that series while dealing with Shaq and Malone

Be mad cause 2 rings ain't more than 5

 

[Jplaya2023]

You kinda contradicted yourself there.

Timmy hasn't played 33-34 minutes a game since 2009. Pop started cutting his minutes after 2004 when Tim was still in the prime of his career. If you recall, Pop played Timmy like 40 minutes during the first 4 years of his career.

As far as Dream vs. Duncan, its tough to say. I gotta go with Duncan because he's lasted longer than Hakeem at this point and the Spurs are always getting 50 wins.

Duncan is amazing, i believe as a player man for man dream was better.

My point is if Dream would've had his minutes cut in his prime, he would've been able to play longer. Dream didn't have that luxury as he was the #1 option for over 13 years