He was carrying that team on both ends and hit two huge shots in Shaq's mug that under any other circumstances would have put his team up 3-2 with game 7 at home. He was going against Kobe and Shaq, and flabby yet still effective GP and Malone and his starting lineup included no jumpers Parker, Hedo, Bruce Bowen, and Rashooooooooooo Nesterovic. What more do you really expect him to do in that situation? He was supposed to dominate two HOFers in the low block while nobody on his squad gave them any reason to pay attention to anyone other than him? Dream had less than stellar series too (everybody has) so I'm not sure what your point is in belaboring this.
Duncan or Hakeem, who you taking?
- Thread starter Draje
- Start date
He was carrying that team on both ends and hit two huge shots in Shaq's mug that under any other circumstances would have put his team up 3-2 with game 7 at home. He was going against Kobe and Shaq, and flabby yet still effective GP and Malone and his starting lineup included no jumpers Parker, Hedo, Bruce Bowen, and Rashooooooooooo Nesterovic. What more do you really expect him to do in that situation? He was supposed to dominate two HOFers in the low block while nobody on his squad gave them any reason to pay attention to anyone other than him? Dream had less than stellar series too (everybody has) so I'm not sure what your point is in belaboring this.
your right i won't belabor this anymore. We could discuss it for days
I'm gonna say this...I think defense is a wash or goes to Duncan. As good as Hakeem was and as good as those stats look, Duncan was absolutely an equal force.
Duncan wasn't trying to go for blocks, steals, etc. He was consistently contesting and altering shots, being a great anchor, and cutting off passing lanes.
Duncan has been an elite defensive anchor in multiple decades plus he's been just as effective amid all the rule changes that opened up the lanes for perimeter players. He's also been killing dudes offensively despite all the rule changes that kept popping up.
I think Duncan would have been ever better in Hakeem's time.
Duncan wasn't trying to go for blocks, steals, etc. He was consistently contesting and altering shots, being a great anchor, and cutting off passing lanes.
Duncan has been an elite defensive anchor in multiple decades plus he's been just as effective amid all the rule changes that opened up the lanes for perimeter players. He's also been killing dudes offensively despite all the rule changes that kept popping up.
I think Duncan would have been ever better in Hakeem's time.
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Timmy and I don't even understand why it would be close...
If I take a young Timmy I can surround him with aging players (Robinson) and a bunch of borderline bums...I'll win rings (Timmy did that)
Can you say the same for Hakeem?
If I take a prime Timmy it doesn't really matter what I put around him...point guards who can't shoot (avery and early career tony parker), Big men who have no real discernible skill (every big man next to Timmy since Robinson except for Splitter LAST YEAR) euro league players learning how to play in the nba (manu was a turnover machine early in his career...ending his career as a turnover machine)...wings players who have no more than two real skills (sean ellliot shooting, Bruce Bowen defense and shooting, Captain Jack and his nuts, ) I'll win rings (Timmy did that)
Can you say the same for Hakeem?
If I take an old past his prime can barely run left leg doesn't work half the time Timmy, change my offense to and up tempo 3 point shooting fest, and ask Timmy to primarily work as my defensive anchor and rebounder...I'll win at least 1 ring (Timmy did that)...
Can you say the same for Hakeem...
Kareem and/or Wilt are the only big men I am ever considering taking over Timmy...every time the argument comes up I ask
1. As a rookie and young player can you put him on a team and win a ring?
2. In his prime can he bee the focal point of everything you do on both ends of the floor and win a ring?
3. Can he age gracefully, change his game to match an ever evolving NBA, and win a ring?
Timmy did all three in real life, so I need whatever big man he is being compared to, to do it in hypothetical life...
I seem to be one of the few people on planet earth who remembers Hakeem's Raptor years...
The question isn't...Who do yo pick Duncan or insert random name here...
The question is...Ca insert random name here be the catalyst for winning 50 games a year for 18 years, win a total of 5 chips, with some coming in his younger years, some coming in his prime years, and one coming at the end of his career?
Cause if you don't think you can do that with insert random name here...then how could he be better?
If I take a young Timmy I can surround him with aging players (Robinson) and a bunch of borderline bums...I'll win rings (Timmy did that)
Can you say the same for Hakeem?
If I take a prime Timmy it doesn't really matter what I put around him...point guards who can't shoot (avery and early career tony parker), Big men who have no real discernible skill (every big man next to Timmy since Robinson except for Splitter LAST YEAR) euro league players learning how to play in the nba (manu was a turnover machine early in his career...ending his career as a turnover machine)...wings players who have no more than two real skills (sean ellliot shooting, Bruce Bowen defense and shooting, Captain Jack and his nuts, ) I'll win rings (Timmy did that)
Can you say the same for Hakeem?
If I take an old past his prime can barely run left leg doesn't work half the time Timmy, change my offense to and up tempo 3 point shooting fest, and ask Timmy to primarily work as my defensive anchor and rebounder...I'll win at least 1 ring (Timmy did that)...
Can you say the same for Hakeem...
Kareem and/or Wilt are the only big men I am ever considering taking over Timmy...every time the argument comes up I ask
1. As a rookie and young player can you put him on a team and win a ring?
2. In his prime can he bee the focal point of everything you do on both ends of the floor and win a ring?
3. Can he age gracefully, change his game to match an ever evolving NBA, and win a ring?
Timmy did all three in real life, so I need whatever big man he is being compared to, to do it in hypothetical life...
I seem to be one of the few people on planet earth who remembers Hakeem's Raptor years...
The question isn't...Who do yo pick Duncan or insert random name here...
The question is...Ca insert random name here be the catalyst for winning 50 games a year for 18 years, win a total of 5 chips, with some coming in his younger years, some coming in his prime years, and one coming at the end of his career?
Cause if you don't think you can do that with insert random name here...then how could he be better?
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Spurs the only NBA team to tank and have it work perfectly...
Turned one player into an 18 year run of excellence and 5 chips...
Meanwhile the sixers trying to hoard 3 of the top 5 big men to come out in the last 3 years and can't win 30 games a year yet...
Last edited:
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
*insert Vince Carter it's over GIF*
They may not have. But Tim would have the dominant numbers that these other greats had early in their careers when they weren't playing for titles and still trying to find themselves. Tim may not have had all the moves that Dream did but he was just as much a defensive anchor as Hakeem and I know if he wanted to he could have averaged 27/14 a game if that was in his makeup as a player.
Made Myself A Boss
#Trolltruck
Yo thats a point i completely missed
The discussion back in the day was who was better Shaq or Olajuwon
Here we are in 2015 and millennials that never watched him like that asking if he's as good a Tim Duncan
..
Hakeem all day
Oztradamus
Hold G's, Guns, and Grams...
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Timmy better than both of them
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
5 rings to Shaq's 4 and Hakeem's 2
Tim got 2 MVP's, Shaq and Hakeem only got 1 each
Tim got more All-NBA team appearances than Shaq and Hakeem
5 rings to Shaq's 4 and Hakeem's 2
Tim got 2 MVP's, Shaq and Hakeem only got 1 each
Tim got more All-NBA team appearances than Shaq and Hakeem
How old are you???
I highly doubt you watched Hakeem even play
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Have no other rebuttal so accuse me of never having seen Hakeem playHow old are you???
I highly doubt you watched Hakeem even play
I'm 24 and distinctly remembering Dream ether my whole household as a kid back in SA.
Plus there's shyt called film nikka, I've been able to watch Hakeem in action plenty of times. Man is a legend and I'll never say otherwise
But you ain't winning this argument though lil buddy
Plus I didn't even mention Tim got more All Defensive Team selections though Hakeem and Shaq
