Eboni K. Williams interviewed by The Breakfast Club defends her bus driver comments
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Nope. Let's break some things down:
In situations when the assessments that Kevin gave were not invited on the women by the women, he was commenting on things that more often than not, was due to choice the women made themselves voluntarily. Even more, they were operating under an idea that they took on voluntarily and were using this idea to unfairly cast blame and attack black men for things that black men were not at fault for.
Eboni was attacking men for things that were done to them by a system. White supremacy did not make those women act as they do, but white supremacy can definitely be held culpable for creating situations that prevents many black men from being more than "mediocre". His assessments actually had a level of nuance. Hers did not and ignore issues such as the fact that black men from pre-school are literally treated as problem-makers and criminals even by black teachers or the fact that black kids, especially black male kids, are disciplined and even arrested and jailed for crimes that don't exist.
There's a world of difference between the two and it amazes me that this has to be explained. People don't care so much about her preferences, it is trying to make it seem as if the plight of black men is one that they brought and created for themselves and that it is merely due to be them being lazy, which is bullshyt.
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I'd also add, if she merely said that she doesn't go for bus driver type guys due to being used to a certain lifestyle or wanting a man that can do [insrt reason here] like many women have done, it would have been treated as regular bird babble and everyone would have kept it moving. She spouted talking points that invalidated racism in itself while pretending to be pro-black. That's such a joke.
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She's right 
If so, then white supremacy doesn't exist. Then much of the ways it has hurt black women aren't real as well and due to black women's incompetence and laziness, especially as compared to other races like white women.She's right
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Some of y'all nikkas are some straight up weirdos
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The comment section on that video is disheartening to say the least.
And THIS is why I want Black women to stop having these discussions out in the open.
Because this shyt will just go back and forth, and if ppl start pointing out how White and Asian women focus on marriage at younger ages, are more fit, and behave “differently”, we can’t point out the advantages those groups of women have over us and how they have more protection from this global system of WS than we do.
I’m not saying we are weaker or less than, but some women don’t seem to understand the basics of relationship dynamics and how things at least start between the sexes.
If ALL men straight up said F it, we would be in a world of trouble— which is why TPTB shut down ppl like KS, Andrew Tate, etc. Because society will break down if men literally stopped attempting to have real relationships and just started paying for escorts. And despite what a lot of women say, most women haven’t been raised to accept being one of many wives/concubines to a wealthy man.
In 2023 Do Black folks need to do better AS A COLLECTIVE- yes. Should we be able to move up in society and not be on the bottom of major stats? YES.
This online back and forth needs to cease.
This is exactly how ppl like “Pearly” are able to weasel themselves in and get involved in the conversation.
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Naw this ain't it either; this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There is no black community without both black men and women working in tandem. Just be aware of and be ready to call out the snakes amongst our ranks.
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I get what you’re saying but she’s also been married and divorced before and engaged again recently. She seems very strong willed and understands that she doesn’t like to compromise. So she is in essence choosing to be single until she gets the type of relationship she wants. She may not ever find it, but that’s the gamble. “Playing the game” for a high value man by doing and saying what he wants to hear and possibly ending up miserable vs. not compromising on certain things and possibly ending up alone and miserable. I honestly respect both paths.You’re absolutely right.
Here’s the deal though. The man yelling about not wanting a woman over a certain age, baby momma, etc- if he’s got his $ right he can approach a bunch of women and still have ladies who want to be with him.
A woman who might not have as much of what men find appealing (youth and beauty) can state everything she has a problem with. But unless she wants to stop dating men altogether, the point is she’s still going to want men to approach her.
You catch more flies with honey. And we are the ones who are supposed to attract the opposites sex, so it isn’t strategic to lay it all out like a man would.
That’s all. You can say all this and the man with money who was interested in you could be like “eh, forget” and now you aren’t getting the approaches from the men you want. When you could’ve been strategic and no men- rich or not- would know what was floating in your head.
It’s just game
Playing the game for a beautiful woman by being super successful and making as much $ as possible to provide a certain lifestyle and possibly ending up miserable vs remaining in low-wage positions and not attracting the women you want and possibly ending up alone and miserable.I get what you’re saying but she’s also been married and divorced before and engaged again recently. She seems very strong willed and understands that she doesn’t like to compromise. So she is in essence choosing to be single until she gets the type of relationship she wants. She may not ever find it, but that’s the gamble. “Playing the game” for a high value man by doing and saying what he wants to hear and possibly ending up miserable vs. not compromising on certain things and possibly ending up alone and miserable. I honestly respect both paths.
Everything goes both ways.
And I totally feel you- we all have to pick our poison. I respect both paths for both sexes.
Potential happiness at the end of the journey or potential heartache. That’s the gamble we all take.
So women can constantly be told to ‘choose better’ in her choice of mate and ‘do better’ in life but the men are never to blame for their life choices because of institutional racism? Ok.
Nope. Let's break some things down:
In situations when the assessments that Kevin gave were not invited on the women by the women, he was commenting on things that more often than not, was due to choice the women made themselves voluntarily. Even more, they were operating under an idea that they took on voluntarily and were using this idea to unfairly cast blame and attack black men for things that black men were not at fault for.
Eboni was attacking men for things that were done to them by a system. White supremacy did not make those women act as they do, but white supremacy can definitely be held culpable for creating situations that prevents many black men from being more than "mediocre". His assessments actually had a level of nuance. Hers did not and ignore issues such as the fact that black men from pre-school are literally treated as problem-makers and criminals even by black teachers or the fact that black kids, especially black male kids, are disciplined and even arrested and jailed for crimes that don't exist.
There's a world of difference between the two and it amazes me that this has to be explained. People don't care so much about her preferences, it is trying to make it seem as if the plight of black men is one that they brought and created for themselves and that it is merely due to be them being lazy, which is bullshyt.
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I'd also add, if she merely said that she doesn't go for bus driver type guys due to being used to a certain lifestyle or wanting a man that can do [insrt reason here] like many women have done, it would have been treated as regular bird babble and everyone would have kept it moving. She spouted talking points that invalidated racism in itself while pretending to be pro-black. That's such a joke.
Is being over 35 something women are doing to themselves? Because I constantly see brehs call older women worthless.
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Waymint...so what's your take?She's right
Who are the women blaming for their inability to find a man or their life choices? Because if they are blaming black men en masse like many of those women did, if the women are out here implying they are entitled to a man due to this or that, if they are claiming this or that about black men (black man ain't shyt, black men are trash, black men ain't serious) when it is clear black men are not to blame or at fault, then it is okay. And don't act like women were innocent angels not saying those things in the first place.
The issue was always due in part to their expectations not being realistic and the ensuing fallout from that. Eboni's nonsense was a series of poor faith arguments masked as concern while ignoring things like the fact that many black males are unfairly seen as troublemakers and criminals by the public school system starting from pre-school by teachers and thus makes it harder for them to thrive. This issue was something even black teachers perpetuated. This, in part, creates a situation where the very shyt she puts on black men as their fault is not truly theirs but part of a system that even educated black women like her played a part in creating.
The issue is rarely ever truly age and entirely based in their expectations of a mate at said age. If the women's issues was due in part to the effect white supremacy had on their prospects then that would mean something but that is rarely the case. Even more so when such acknowledgement of issues is based entirely around exaggerations (all the men are gay and so on). I mean really now. I'm doubting your sincerity here.
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Speaking of Eboni's last situation its more pathetic than it sounds:I’d never say a man is the prize for simply being a man. I’m not that girl
What I’m ultimately stating is that a lot of women aren’t being strategic.
At the end of the day we don’t ask men out on dates.
We don’t propose to men.
We don’t knock men up and leave them to knock up someone else.
Part of women operating from a place of power is understanding WHEN our mere existence is enough to make the right kinda guy move mountains, and understanding how to communicate what we want and/or move a certain way to attract who we want.
Women are the ones who attract when it comes to the dance between the sexes. You can present yourself a certain way and attract the kind of man you want without having to STATE what type of man you want.
The women who know how to do that have no issue with men.
Again, like I’ve said, the people who speak the loudest are usually the ones who actually have the issue.
Women of all races want the same thing but other groups don’t literally say it out loud at ~40 because their mothers taught them to get cute and get sit in front of the right type of guys when they were 23. That’s the conversation Black women need to have with their mothers. Most of the women I know who are married to successful brehs locked in in their teens and 20s.
OR, they are attractive and have good attitudes so they are still getting chosen by men in their 40s (I mentioned a high profile BW in her 50s who is dating a HIGHLY successful breh in my family who was interested in dating a successful woman in his age range).
I will totally admit that when I was just getting out of college no one gave a damn about what I studied, where I went, if I had money, my pedigree. Because that’s the power of being young and attractive. And that’s when we’re supposed to make the most demands. But you don’t know that when you’re 22 in college. That’s what your mom and dad are supposed to teach you. All the 22YO guys around you know that, though. And they also know it when they turn 30 and can possibly chase the girls in their 20s who know the game.
Personally, I’m an advocate of dating a little older and working on the things that immediately catch a man’s attention- looks and attitude. It’s a formula that really can’t fail. And plenty of women less successful than Eboni have had no issue snagging those men by following that simple formula.
Shyt, a man in my family has his wife living in a damn near million dollar house and I can’t even tell if the chick finished HS she seems so dense. But she knew enough to focus in on him and lock him down before he realized what he was dealing with
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be more successful brehs available. I’m saying that either paying attention to the ones with promise while we’re young or dating out while younger in pursuit of those types of guys is what should be the focus of BW.
The same way you see some brehs who switch it up and date Becky when they get on is the same way young beautiful Black women can keep their mouths closed and open their serious dating options to the most successful men who approach them.
All Eboni had to do was pop up with a successful man of whatever race and keep it pushing.
Hell, that’s what Tamron Hall did
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