Elizabeth Warren unveils bold new plan to reshape America's richest companies

[DEAD7]

I have absolutely no idea why you’d think that those at the bottom will do well either. That doesn’t even make sense.

Reduced unemployment, and lower barriers to entry...
Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me to think we will see some gains.

The middle class has been getting screwed for well over a decade regardless of who was in power... and I don’t expect meaningful relief until the baby boomers have exited the workforce/died. They(in my opinion) deserve most of the blame for what we are seeing today.

For the record, I do think compensation(wages) are low and should be increased I just think it should be done at the state level.

 

[DEAD7]

I really hope Dems don’t run a candidate that claimed to be Native American when she wasn’t...
If they do, I refuse to believe they are serious about winning.
No amount of tax releases will overcome the constant “Pocahontas” from trump
#wattba

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Here is the article: Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law - The Boston Globe

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I really hope Dems don’t run a candidate that claimed to be Native American when she wasn’t...
If they do, I refuse to believe they are serious about winning.
No amount of tax releases will overcome the constant “Pocahontas” from trump
#wattba

Unfortunately that says more about the state of our electorate than the candidate herself.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Social Security, Medicare, and the VA are all government run programs and they’ve each got pretty high approval ratings. I’ve dealt with each one directly through my work and they’re surprisingly thorough and responsive given their size.

As much shyt as I hear about the VA, I'm surprised to hear you say that. They've made it sound like vets are dying left and right and all their data is stored on 1970 tape drives running Tandy computers.

 

[FAH1223]

As much shyt as I hear about the VA, I'm surprised to hear you say that. They've made it sound like vets are dying left and right and all their data is stored on 1970 tape drives running Tandy computers.

VAs issue is management and they need to hire a lot of doctors

 

[DEAD7]

The government can actually be pretty effective when the right isn’t constantly obstructing shyt for no reason.

Social Security, Medicare, and the VA are all government run programs and they’ve each got pretty high approval ratings. I’ve dealt with each one directly through my work and they’re surprisingly thorough and responsive given their size.

Y’all are going into overdrive with the fear mongering about the government. They’re far from perfect but we’ve got mountains of evidence showing that corporations and “the markets” aren’t going to solve shyt, despite what conservatives say.

I’m not sure popularity or approval is the best metric to judge “free” services... and most people don’t understand these services well enough to have a legit opinion.

 

[Gus Money]

As much shyt as I hear about the VA, I'm surprised to hear you say that. They've made it sound like vets are dying left and right and all their data is stored on 1970 tape drives running Tandy computers.

The VA isn't perfect but people with VA health coverage sure seem to value it. I've had clients decline to pursue other health coverage options because the VA was providing everything that they need. People fight tooth and nail to get in the VA's door, my family members included.

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

“The RAND study adds to a growing list of research confirming what many Veterans and VA employees believe – VA provides high-quality care,” said VA Acting Secretary Robert Wilkie. “We are constantly striving to improve our care at VA, but this should encourage Veterans and the public that VA care is in many instances as good as or better than the private sector.”

I’m not sure popularity or approval is the best metric to judge “free” services... and most people don’t understand these services well enough to have a legit opinion.

Well that's ironic coming from the guy with VA health coverage who didn't understand how good it could be until he wandered into the VA office. Seems like you were the one lacking an understanding until recently:

Just left the V.A. hospital and that shyt was amazing.
Almost no wait time and super attentive care.
Thought I was gonna have to schedule lab,ekg, vison/hearing appointments, they were like nah just walk over and let em know what you need. I got everything done in about an hour.

At essentially zero cost to me


Its anecdotal but shyt got me rethinking some things

That propaganda had you doubting something that clearly benefits you. I know, I know, you "earned" that VA coverage so fukk everyone else right?

Anyway, popularity and approval ratings are fine metrics and they show what recipients of those programs really think, which is pretty damn important (assuming you care about public opinion).

Taxes are withheld for Social Security and Medicare, and you have to be a qualifying vet to get VA benefits, so calling them "free" is just a rightwing talking point that doesn't make sense. You can only get Social Security/Medicare if you've paid into the system or if a family member has paid into and you qualify under their record.

I assume you're talking about poor people who don't pay taxes but they don't qualify for Social Security or Medicare in general anyway so there's that.

 

[DEAD7]

The VA isn't perfect but people with VA health coverage sure seem to value it. I've had clients decline to pursue other health coverage options because the VA was providing everything that they need. People fight tooth and nail to get in the VA's door, my family members included.

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs



Well that's ironic coming from the guy with VA health coverage who didn't understand how good it could be until he wandered into the VA office. Seems like you were the one lacking an understanding until recently:

That propaganda had you doubting something that clearly benefits you. I know, I know, you "earned" that VA coverage so fukk everyone else right?

Anyway, popularity and approval ratings are fine metrics and they show what recipients of those programs really think, which is pretty damn important (assuming you care about public opinion).

Taxes are withheld for Social Security and Medicare, and you have to be a qualifying vet to get VA benefits, so calling them "free" is just a rightwing talking point that doesn't make sense. You can only get Social Security/Medicare if you've paid into the system or if a family member has paid into and you qualify under their record.

I assume you're talking about poor people who don't pay taxes but they don't qualify for Social Security or Medicare in general anyway so there's that.

Whoa...
Firstly VA healthcare is earned. Unless you're suggesting some sort of mandatory service don't see where you are getting the "fukk everyone else".
Secondly the VA isn't a good example for national coverage, as it doesn't care for children, women(childbirth) or special needs in any comparable way.




That said, I would prefer Canada style annual block grants to each state(using a per capita rate), similar to the republican plan put forth by graham and whats his name.Each state can then craft a healthcare system that best suits it and its residents.

 

[Gus Money]

Whoa...
Firstly VA healthcare is earned. Unless you're suggesting some sort of mandatory service don't see where you are getting the "fukk everyone else".
Secondly the VA isn't a good example for national coverage, as it doesn't care for children, women(childbirth) or special needs in any comparable way.

Medicare and Social Security are earned too, hence my point. You posted about “free” services as what I assume was a vague reference to entitlement programs that people pay into. Nobody has ever claimed they were free but it’s a common talking point.

The “fukk everyone else” part is how the right seems to feel about healthcare. Bootstraps and all that jazz.

I wasn’t using the VA as an example of “national coverage” so you’re arguing against point I didn’t make. I said it’s an example of a government run program with high approval. And that point stands.

There’s plenty of info out there about why block grants aren’t a good idea but you know this already.

 

[DEAD7]

There’s plenty of info out there about why block grants aren’t a good idea but you know this already.

Every plan has downsides.
It’s a compromise... incrementalism is extremely unpopular right now, but really should be how we move in any direction.(imo)

Block grants would allow states to experiment with socialized medicine in a more controlled, tailored, and less perilous fashion... and with many of the examples cited by proponents being smaller than many states, it’s shouldn’t be easily doable

Again, in my opinion...




I really hope you don’t think a national single payer plan would be perfect...

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Reduced unemployment, and lower barriers to entry...
Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me to think we will see some gains.

The middle class has been getting screwed for well over a decade regardless of who was in power... and I don’t expect meaningful relief until the baby boomers have exited the workforce/died. They(in my opinion) deserve most of the blame for what we are seeing today.

For the record, I do think compensation(wages) are low and should be increased I just think it should be done at the state level.

awfully socialistic of you.

“The potential for faster wage gains could generate another 5 percent pullback this time, as might Fed policy, geopolitics, trade sanctions, and international economic weakness,” the strategists wrote in a note. “It is always challenging to pinpoint the catalyst, but the vulnerability now exists.”

the quote above was in an article discussing fears of a slowdown in the stock market. fundamentally the issue with our economy is that the corporate world sees rising wages as a net negative - something to be avoided.

 

[Gus Money]

Every plan has downsides.
It’s a compromise... incrementalism is extremely unpopular right now, but really should be how we move in any direction.(imo)

Block grants would allow states to experiment with socialized medicine in a more controlled, tailored, and less perilous fashion... and with many of the examples cited by proponents being smaller than many states, it’s shouldn’t be easily doable

Again, in my opinion...




I really hope you don’t think a national single payer plan would be perfect...

Incremental changes can be undone with one or two idiots in charge, as we’re seeing now and as we’ve seen throughout history. Incrementalism has its place but the left has been playing the incremental game for a while and it’s resulted in them holding their dikks while the GOP swings for the fences with no shame.

Of course I’m not saying national single layer perfect, nobody argues for perfection. I’m saying it’s better in my opinion (and the opinions of most people).