Elway was overrated right?

[who_better_than_me]

That 85 season, elway must've told management he wanted to be like Marino cuz that's a big qss jump in passing attempts and the year before I think that was Marino's 5000 yard season.

 

[mrken12]

have a top 5 offense with jake fukking plummer ?
made mike anderson and tatum bell 1k yard rushers in ZBS ?
made peyton hillis tatum bell and selvin young average 5 yards per carry in ZBS ?

Making some no name running backs 1k yard rushers and having nothing to show for it means nothing. He has one playoff win since 99. He's an overrated fraud. He's just a Norv Turner with better luck.

 

[Trip]

Yeah it is.

Shanahan's a good coach. He's lost his mind over the years though unfortunately...he'd be better suited for a win now team. A year(s) off will be good for him.

Norvs a coordinator that got to coach in an area that doesnt put pressure on their HC's.

 

[mrken12]

Shanahan's a good coach. He's lost his mind over the years though unfortunately...he'd be better suited for a win now team. A year(s) off will be good for him.

Norvs a coordinator that got to coach in an area that doesnt put pressure on their HC's.

Not really. He's an overrated hack who got lucky early in his career. Just like Norv Turner.

 

[yseJ]

Making some no name running backs 1k yard rushers and having nothing to show for it means nothing. He has one playoff win since 99. He's an overrated fraud. He's just a Norv Turner with better luck.

his teams constantly overachieved, just like with you guys last year. hes the father of ZBS and fact is before shanny and ZBS backs, elway was a loser on teams with very good defenses

you just mad he became senile as fukk when he was your coach, and you biased cuz of that

 

[Trip]

Not really. He's an overrated hack who got lucky early in his career. Just like Norv Turner.

What did Norv Turner do? Or is this just you being mad because they both didn't "get it done" in Washington?

Shanahan tailored that entire offense to RG3 last year. The problem is your owner is a dope.

 

[mrken12]

his teams constantly overachieved, just like with you guys last year. hes the father of ZBS and fact is before shanny and ZBS backs, elway was a loser on teams with very good defenses

you just mad he became senile as fukk when he was your coach, and you biased cuz of that

He's won one playoff game since 99. He's status and he's been that way for over a decade. Al Saunders made a star out of Trent Green. What does he have to show for it? Nothing. Just like with Shanahan and Jake Plummer.

What did Norv Turner do? Or is this just you being mad because they both didn't "get it done" in Washington?

Shanahan tailored that entire offense to RG3 last year. The problem is your owner is a dope.

And Shanahan was the one who basically gave up on the season when they were 3-6 and the team won 7 straight despite his pessimism.

 

[yseJ]

Not really. He's an overrated hack who got lucky early in his career. Just like Norv Turner.

you have zero evidence for that
those broncos teams with jake plummer overachieved; norv turner SD teams underachieved like crazy
one of those broncos teams beat the pats, which is something norv has never done iirc

 

[mrken12]

you have zero evidence for that
those broncos teams with jake plummer overachieved; norv turner SD teams underachieved like crazy
one of those broncos teams beat the pats, which is something norv has never done iirc

Yeah I do. He hasn't done anything notable since 99. If SD had a competent coach, they would have won at least one Super Bowl. And winning one playoff game with Jake Plummer isn't something to write home about.

 

[yseJ]

again, he lost bunch of playoff games to colts, who had superior talent. like ive said, your comparison has no basis. norv had a stacked team with a great qb and an all-time great RB and didnt get shyt done.
mike was putting plummer out there along with mike anderson and tatum bell

you look at that 13-3 denver team in 2005, and offensively, theyre utter shyt in talent. they had flabby n sick rod smith and jake plummer as their best offensive players

 

[Street Knowledge]

Its sad becasue young guys under 30 something will just see stats from qbs in the 80's and compare it to players today and think they werent as good when the rules make it to where even medicore qbs are gonna put up stats nowadays where it used to be much harder to play the position.

Same thigns gonna happen with wr's,wr's today are gonna smash all the records and put up better stats then old school wrs becasue of the rules

The Mel Blount rule was put in place in 1978. It was only called more after 2003. Every single QB who has played after 1978 has played with rules to favor the offense. The guys who REALLY should be complaining are like Johnny U and Otto Graham

As for elway it's been said time and time his numbers were Medicore for His OWN era.

 

[mrken12]

again, he lost bunch of playoff games to colts, who had superior talent. like ive said, your comparison has no basis. norv had a stacked team with a great qb and an all-time great RB and didnt get shyt done.
mike was putting plummer out there along with mike anderson and tatum bell

you look at that 13-3 denver team in 2005, and offensively, theyre utter shyt in talent. they had flabby n sick rod smith and jake plummer as their best offensive players

And won 1 playoff game and still didn't get shyt done. I'm not making excuses for either one of them. They're both overrated frauds.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

Of course. And this is coming from a nikka who

A. Was extremely happy for him when the broncos won back to back
B. who still has him in my top 5 favorite(not GOAT tho) QB's of all time

There's quite a few QB's better then John

And save for that breakout 1993 campaign, when Elway lead the league in completions (348) and yards (4,030), he never – again I repeat, Elway NEVER – led the league in any major passing categories (completions, yards, TDs, passer rating).

All that being said he had the game mastered near the end.

 

[Digga38]

Elway's pre-1993 stats are pedestrian, but consider the following:

1. Dan Reeves favored a conservative, run-first offense (even though the Broncos did not have standout running backs during that time). I think Reeves' system held Elway back from putting up better numbers. It's no coincidence that there was a very significant jump in his stats right after Reeves was fired. He put up better numbers in his mid 30s with Wade Phillips and Mike Shanahan than he did in his prime with Reeves.

2. Elway did not have much help offensively up until the 1996. Compare the offensive help (in terms of number of pro-bowl receivers, running backs and offensive lineman) that Elway had from 1983-92 with the help Montana and Marino had, and it's really not close. I'm not saying Elway is better (or even as good, necessarily) as Montana and Marino, but difference in supporting cast goes a long way towards explaining the gap in their numbers. Shannon Sharpe emerged in 1993, but the Broncos had little else. It wasn't until 1996 (Mike Shanahan's second season), when Terrell Davis emerged and Shanahan had gotten the team comfortable with his offense that the Broncos had a championship-caliber offense.

3. Elway did a lot of little things that you don't see in the stats. He could perform well under pressure. He had a great arm. And he was very mobile. He could make something out of broken plays where he was forced out of the pocket, and he was an excellent running quarterback. I can remember several crucial third and fourth downs in the playoffs where Denver's pass protection broke down, none of their receivers were open, and Elway broke off a 7 or 8 yard run to bail them out.

obviously from someone that watched him play....not these stat whores that seem prevalent in the 2010's

 

[Urahara_Kisuke]

I couldn't even make it past page 1. Just.....