Eminem, Dr. Dre & Mike Will Made It Are Cooking Something Up

[Double J]

Em dropped a dope album (recovery) and that was not close to 15 years ago

Recovery was dope?

Recovery might be his worst album period. Everything from the HORRIBLE punchlines ("I guess that's why they call it window pane"), the terrible acoustic poppy production, and the blatant mainstream pandering with songs like Love the Way You Lie (which Eminem in his prime would have NEVER done) were horrible.

 

[Double J]

i ain't talking about the silly stuff he's made, these wasn't bad

Yeah those were 2 out of the maybe 5 or 6 tracks on that album that were good. But the fact that Encore was a bad album with Dre providing half of the beats shows you that his involvement does not ensure a good album from Eminem.

 

[BK The Great]

Yeah those were 2 out of the maybe 5 or 6 tracks on that album that were good. But the fact that Encore was a bad album with Dre providing half of the beats shows you that his involvement does not ensure a good album from Eminem.

yea Dre had a couple of duds, but before Encore dropped he was still killing the production he laid down. Marshall Mathers LP had alot of Dre production and that album is one of his best he's released. i'm guessing it's Eminem's content that ruined it he really can't rap about much expect off the wall shock value raps or some weird shyt.

 

[Double J]

yea Dre had a couple of duds, but before Encore dropped he was still killing the production he laid down. Marshall Mathers LP had alot of Dre production and that album is one of his best he's released. i'm guessing it's Eminem's content that ruined it he really can't rap about much expect off the wall shock value raps or some weird shyt.

Of course Dre's production was great on The Marshall Mathers LP and Encore as it was on basically every Eminem album he's had beats on. But the thing is it was never Dre's beats that were the starring attraction. It was Em's lyricism and creativity. Even Dre himself has said that when he's producing for Eminem he makes simple, sparse beats so that Eminem and his lyricism stand out as opposed to the beat.

So yeah you're right it is Eminem's content that has ruined his music ever since Encore. It's crazy. It's like the dude completely forgot how to rap and make good music.

But your last point saying that Eminem can only rap about crazy, weird shyt is way off. His best material (The Eminem Show, 8 Mile Soundtrack) came from him rapping about real shyt.

 

[SunZoo]

Having to do a lot of convincing? Am I making up the 59/100 score Relapse has on Metacrtic? Am I making up the fact that Eminem went through the trouble of scrapping an entire album and recording a new one because the response to Relapse was so terrible?

And before Encore Eminem never got polarizing reactions to his music. His first 3 albums were almost universally acclaimed.

Relapse was weak. Everyone knows it and Em himself knows it. I know you're The Coli's resident Em stan but the fact that you say Relapse is your favorite Em is album is just Everything from that retarded accent to the subject matter was just terrible.

You are typing up a storm ranting, raving and railing against other people's opinions about an album, are you not?

Relapse being my favorite Em album is just that playboi, and I can support that with sound reasoning. The fact that you are typing all this shyt in reaction to Eminem fans having a positive outlook at another Dre x Eminem project just because you didn't like the last proves my point, but you do you.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Recovery was dope?

Recovery might be his worst album period. Everything from the HORRIBLE punchlines ("I guess that's why they call it window pane"), the terrible acoustic poppy production, and the blatant mainstream pandering with songs like Love the Way You Lie (which Eminem in his prime would have NEVER done) were horrible.

Yes,right behind mmlp sslp for me

 

[SunZoo]

yea Dre had a couple of duds, but before Encore dropped he was still killing the production he laid down. Marshall Mathers LP had alot of Dre production and that album is one of his best he's released. i'm guessing it's Eminem's content that ruined it he really can't rap about much expect off the wall shock value raps or some weird shyt.

shyt had nothing to do with Dre's beats. Encore was rushed to keep to an album schedule (released a year after he spent TES talking about wanting to fall back/retire to repair his family and adjust to fame) and a good portion of the album got leaked and replaced last minute.

The fukk does that have to do with Relapse easily being his best produced album with dope rhymes on it? fukk the 'content' arguments, it was a horrocore album sitting on the shelf with mainstream shyt. Bottom line is it sounded like a fukking Eminem album...someone who is clearly more geared to underground rap than "Recovery" style music.

 

[BK The Great]

shyt had nothing to do with Dre's beats. Encore was rushed to keep to an album schedule (released a year after he spent TES talking about wanting to fall back/retire to repair his family and adjust to fame) and a good portion of the album got leaked and replaced last minute.

The fukk does that have to do with Relapse easily being his best produced album with dope rhymes on it? fukk the 'content' arguments, it was a horrocore album sitting on the shelf with mainstream shyt. Bottom line is it sounded like a fukking Eminem album...someone who is clearly more geared to underground rap than "Recovery" style music.

and that's why i appreciate Relapse more than Encore. he went back to rapping instead of being silly like he did on Encore, even though there is a good share of that on Relapse. the one thing i would remove was the accents, that album would've been alot better without it.

 

[Double J]

You are typing up a storm ranting, raving and railing against other people's opinions about an album, are you not?

Relapse being my favorite Em album is just that playboi, and I can support that with sound reasoning. The fact that you are typing all this shyt in reaction to Eminem fans having a positive outlook at another Dre x Eminem project just because you didn't like the last proves my point, but you do you.

Typing up a storm? You got about 20,000 more posts than me so I think you know a lot more about that than me. And I'm not ranting or raving against peoples opinions. I'm simply stating FACTS (backed up by Eminem's scrapping of an entire album and bad reviews)

And out of all the people I quoted almost no one but you has replied, Because they KNOW I'm right and they have no point to ague.

And you can support Relapse being Em's best album with what kind of sound reasoning? So Old Time's Sake can compare to Drug Ballad? 3AM can compare to Kill You? Bagpipes From Baghdad can compare to Square Dance? Haha man you're a clown if you're really feeling that weird serial killer, accent riddled trash over Eminem's true classics.

 

[SunZoo]

and that's why i appreciate Relapse more than Encore. he went back to rapping instead of being silly like he did on Encore, even though there is a good share of that on Relapse. the one thing i would remove was the accents, that album would've been alot better without it.

I thought the accents added character.

Funny how that was an issue only for nikkas to turn around and dikk ride Kendrick and Danny Brown doing the same shyt.

3 AM seamless..and I don't think it comes off that way without him being able to stretch and twang his way through some of those lines. I don't think that comes off as dope to me with a regular voice throughout.

 

[Double J]

I thought the accents added character.

Funny how that was an issue only for nikkas to turn around and dikk ride Kendrick and Danny Brown doing the same shyt.

3 AM seamless..and I don't think it comes off that way without him being able to stretch and twang his way through some of those lines. I don't think that comes off as dope to me with a regular voice throughout.

So now you're defending the accent??

You really are a clown

 

[BK The Great]

I thought the accents added character.

Funny how that was an issue only for nikkas to turn around and dikk ride Kendrick and Danny Brown doing the same shyt.

3 AM seamless..and I don't think it comes off that way without him being able to stretch and twang his way through some of those lines. I don't think that comes off as dope to me with a regular voice throughout.

yea you do got a point with Kendrick & Danny Brown, i'm guessing people didn't wanna hear that from Em. it just came off as a weird phase. but on Relapse Refill he went back to his normal voice. if only Relapse 2 was released, i know for sure we would've got something better.

 

[Double J]

Yes,right behind mmlp sslp for me

Then I guess you just have horrible taste in music.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Then I guess you just have horrible taste in music.

because YOU dont like it?

 

[Double J]

because YOU dont like it?

Ok, answer me this, is Recovery anywhere near as good as Eminem's first 3 albums?