EMINEM - MUSIC TO BE MURDERED BY SIDE B (DISCUSSION THREAD)

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:mjlol::mjgrin:that mandatory skylar grey feature.

no doubt in my mind that he is fukking her. they have not made ONE decent song together.


She’s his boss stepdaughter could’ve sworn I read it somewhere but she got signed cause of Alex da kid and been stuck around since
 
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She’s his boss stepdaughter

Interested to know if this is true or not, because Jimmy is married to Liberty Ross and has been for a few years

Skyler co-wrote love the way you lie, so I was under the assumption that Eminem liked what she contributes to his circle in terms of her writing and vocals.
 

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:mjlol::mjgrin:that mandatory skylar grey feature.

no doubt in my mind that he is fukking her. they have not made ONE decent song together.

Well she did co-write love the way you lie, and I need a doctor..


With regards to a personal relationship, not saying it isn’t a possibility, but Skyler has been with the same guy for a few years. If I recall correctly, prior to that she was married.
 

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The complete opposite seems to be the case. The man is just ego tripping and getting in the way of himself. That's all :yeshrug:

This tends to be my thought as well. Not just ego tripping, but also just bad taste and bad musical inclinations. If you look at his better albums he still had people like Bass Brothers and Dre to kind of executive produce things and run the show. Encore was terrible, but look at the timing. This is when he was really starting to get more comfortable as a producer that had been Dre's understudy. Yeah, he did a lot of beats on Eminem Show, but Dre was there to keep him from chasing his bad ideas too far down the path.

By the time of Encore, Em had already produced a lot for Nas, Jay, D12, the 8 Mile Soundtrack, and he had more confidence to produce, and he was comfortable enough to chase after his own bad ideas. EDIT: :jbhmm:and he was also on drugs.


Apparently Em trusted Dre again a lot more on Relapse, and despite it being weird, it's all Dre produced and in hindsight not that bad. Everything after Relapse and up through Revival is all :trash: :trash: :trash:

Yeah, there are some occasional dope joints, like the one with Buckshot, the Untitled Havoc joint, the Side Roams Evil twin joint. You shoot enough bullets and you'll land a on target a few times.
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But for the most part when Em is at the helm of his own albums he just makes terrible musical decisions. He's a great emcee, but he's not a great artist.
 

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y'all always fall for this

he picked the worst bests for Just blaze and Alchemist consistently not once. like head scratchers. dude is consistently trash. the few joints he actually has with Alchemist are complete throaways.
I liked the Cold Wind Blows joint with Just Blaze. Hook was corny but the beat was fire


I don't mind these Alchemist joints, but the Stepdad joint I posted just above this post is horrendous.


 

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Em wouldn't have given this the time of day if he didnt fukk with Alchs beats. I think its more complicated than yall are making it

 

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This tends to be my thought as well. Not just ego tripping, but also just bad taste and bad musical inclinations. If you look at his better albums he still had people like Bass Brothers and Dre to kind of executive produce things and run the show. Encore was terrible, but look at the timing. This is when he was really starting to get more comfortable as a producer that had been Dre's understudy. Yeah, he did a lot of beats on Eminem Show, but Dre was there to keep him from chasing his bad ideas too far down the path.

By the time of Encore, Em had already produced a lot for Nas, Jay, D12, the 8 Mile Soundtrack, and he had more confidence to produce, and he was comfortable enough to chase after his own bad ideas. EDIT: :jbhmm:and he was also on drugs.


Apparently Em trusted Dre again a lot more on Relapse, and despite it being weird, it's all Dre produced and in hindsight not that bad. Everything after Relapse and up through Revival is all :trash: :trash: :trash:

Yeah, there are some occasional dope joints, like the one with Buckshot, the Untitled Havoc joint, the Side Roams Evil twin joint. You shoot enough bullets and you'll land a on target a few times.
:yeshrug:

But for the most part when Em is at the helm of his own albums he just makes terrible musical decisions. He's a great emcee, but he's not a great artist.

revovery is a way more enjoyable album than Revival imo, I think I’m the minority tho
 

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This tends to be my thought as well. Not just ego tripping, but also just bad taste and bad musical inclinations. If you look at his better albums he still had people like Bass Brothers and Dre to kind of executive produce things and run the show. Encore was terrible, but look at the timing. This is when he was really starting to get more comfortable as a producer that had been Dre's understudy. Yeah, he did a lot of beats on Eminem Show, but Dre was there to keep him from chasing his bad ideas too far down the path.

By the time of Encore, Em had already produced a lot for Nas, Jay, D12, the 8 Mile Soundtrack, and he had more confidence to produce, and he was comfortable enough to chase after his own bad ideas. EDIT: :jbhmm:and he was also on drugs.


Apparently Em trusted Dre again a lot more on Relapse, and despite it being weird, it's all Dre produced and in hindsight not that bad. Everything after Relapse and up through Revival is all :trash: :trash: :trash:

Yeah, there are some occasional dope joints, like the one with Buckshot, the Untitled Havoc joint, the Side Roams Evil twin joint. You shoot enough bullets and you'll land a on target a few times.
:yeshrug:

But for the most part when Em is at the helm of his own albums he just makes terrible musical decisions. He's a great emcee, but he's not a great artist.

Here's what I think:

I erased what I wrote originally, but when I think about Eminem, the reason why he can't make the same albums he used to is because he's not the same person. And I don't mean that he's older and more mature now. I mean, he's literally not the same person. There's no connection between the guy that made The Marshall Mathers LP and the guy that made The Marshall Mathers LP 2. Everything Eminem's done since Recovery feels like it was made by someone else. The Eminem that was around back in the day died after Encore, and Relapse was the bridge between that Eminem and the Eminem we have now. I don't know why that's the case. The drug addiction, then getting sober? Losing Proof? Not working with the Bass Brothers anymore, Dre taking a backseat? I can't figure it out, and it will take years to figure it out. But I honestly believe Eminem was a great MC and a great artist at one point. Now, he's a great MC and a decent artist, who can occasionally be a mediocre artist.

I will say this, though: One reason his music got worse is definitely him going back into production. Him not being the same person plays into that because his ear for music declined over time. Relapse was all Dre, Recovery and Hell: The Sequel were done by a variety of producers. It gave Eminem the chance to just focus on rapping, which he hadn't done since MMLP. But on MMLP 2, he decided to make beats again. When you combine that with his overthinking/perfectionism, his mind being wired an entirely different way from before, people who don't really tell him when something isn't working (except for Dre, Mr. Porter, and maybe Royce), and interference from the label........you get the last ten years of Eminem, specifically that period from 2014-2017 where he was making the absolute worst music of his career.

I don't believe in telling artists what they should do, but in Eminem's case, he really needs to stick with the path of making simple albums. Relapse was a simple album, Kamikaze was a simple album. They sound like they were both made in a few weeks because of how effortless they are. Revival sounds like it was made in three years, constantly changed and reworked because it wasn't good enough. Music to Be Murdered By was a mixture of both mindsets. I'm curious to see what path Eminem takes this decade.
 
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