Eminem: Rap Star Or Pop Star?

[SunZoo]

Yea, try that and see how it works out for you. Obviously you have the option to quote me anytime you want, but if I think that you're just trying to be a dikk/troll then I'll just insult you like a dog until you get it. I'm not the one.

I never claimed to be an expert on rap you feminine fukk. I made an argument for why Eminem is a pop star as opposed to a rap star.

So hostile...

Reacting like a battered wife on the defensive out the gate yet i'm the feminine one...I ain't trying to attack you whoadie, I like Jay-z too.

Good for him(and you too since you got his dikk in your mouth), but his overall success is irrelevant to my point. I didn't say that he wasn't a rapper, I'm saying that his core audience/fans aren't rap fans. Eminem's core audience are pop fans, and that's how it's always has been. Again, his music is sent straight to the pop stations, they don't even send dude's music to the rap/urban stations. He's pop star that raps, just like Maclemore.

Unfortunately I got acquainted with macklemoore through urban radio

And while he certainly has never had the "urban" market cornered I have heard his songs on the radio when I still listened to it, but then again he doesn't really make dance/"for the whip" music.

I make the argument that he's both because he's only a pop star/icon because he's famous, not because he actually does traditional pop music or is in the public eye for reasons largely unrelated to his craft. He's not married to Tina Turner 2k. He's not an activist or the business venture/endorsement guy either. He's a rapper who became a pop icon IMO.

Eminem's entire career is centered around being an MC, from being the protege/product of one of the longest staples in the culture to him pretty much only being discussed in that context and in the same circles as other rap veterans.

 

[MINT]

rapstar

 

[Wise]

Superstar

 

[Foxmulder]

Pop star.Half his fans like Taylor swift and bieber.Half his fans don't even fukk with rap.

He's nice as fukk but he's a pop star.

 

[Gravity]

Eminem isn't a fixture on black radio/clubs because his singles are specifically marketed toward pop audiences. His albums have a much stronger balance between pop and rap. He's always been one of the most technically-skilled rappers out there, and that's why he gets so much respect from other rappers. He has a pretty wide fan base of different races/backgrounds; you don't become the best-selling artist of the decade with only white fans.

You didn't say anything that refuted what I said. I never said that he only had white fans, I said that in general black people don't feel his music like that. It's not just his singles that don't get play, none of his shyt gets that much play

So hostile...

Reacting like a battered wife on the defensive out the gate yet i'm the feminine one...I ain't trying to attack you whoadie, I like Jay-z too.



Unfortunately I got acquainted with macklemoore through urban radio

And while he certainly has never had the "urban" market cornered I have heard his songs on the radio when I still listened to it, but then again he doesn't really make dance/"for the whip" music.

I make the argument that he's both because he's only a pop star/icon because he's famous, not because he actually does traditional pop music or is in the public eye for reasons largely unrelated to his craft. He's not married to Tina Turner 2k. He's not an activist or the business venture/endorsement guy either. He's a rapper who became a pop icon IMO.

Eminem's entire career is centered around being an MC, from being the protege/product of one of the longest staples in the culture to him pretty much only being discussed in that context and in the same circles as other rap veterans.

So bytchmade and lame. Responding like i give a fukk who you like or you posting smileys trying to play the "u mad" game.

You're a lie. This why I don't respect most of you posters. A lot of you simply have no integrity. You'll come up here and say anything. Maclemore gets no play on urban radio and whatever play he does get has only come after blowing up mainstream wise. I've even see articles on Billboard talking about how he blew up without urban/rap radio. To this day I've never heard a Maclemore song on the radio. I was introduced to him through the Internet, this site in particular. Don't know who you think that you're fooling with that "I was introduced to him through urban radio" bullshyt.

The only thing that the term "pop" means as far as music goes is popular. I don't even know what "traditional pop music" is. There was nothing traditional about what Hammer was doing 25 years ago, but he was still a pop artist. Pop music consists of everything that's popular. Music that crosses over and is popular with the mainstream is classified as pop, regardless of the genre. Eminem is a pop artist because he makes pop music. He came into the music game as a pop rapper who catered to the pop crowd. Now I'm not denying that cats like Jay Z, Wayne, and Drake are pop artists too because they are. Those guys are still popular in the rap community as well though, and that is what separates them from Eminem. Eminem is not popular amongst the rap community. That fact might hurt your feelings but you need to accept it. Sure he gets his respect for his technical skills as an mc, but his music gets little to no play. Eminem's entire career is centered around being a white rapper who's respected and cosigned by his black peers. The Dre cosign was probably 10xs more essential/important to him blowing up than his skills. He's the great white hype.

 

[SunZoo]

So bytchmade and lame. Responding like i give a fukk who you like or you posting smileys trying to play the "u mad" game..

More pouty than mad...life is harsh, hug me, don't reject me.

You're a lie. This why I don't respect most of you posters. A lot of you simply have no integrity. You'll come up here and say anything. Maclemore gets no play on urban radio and whatever play he does get has only come after blowing up mainstream wise. I've even see articles on Billboard talking about how he blew up without urban/rap radio. To this day I've never heard a Maclemore song on the radio. I was introduced to him through the Internet, this site in particular. Don't know who you think that you're fooling with that "I was introduced to him through urban radio" bullshyt.

Why would I lie about hearing thrift shop for the first time on a black radio station? It's not like I'm trying to talk him up or anything, that is the honest to god's truth of the matter, and here you are ranting and raving about integrity and asking me "who i'm fooling"

Matter of fact:

Friday Night Mixed Tape 5/31
http://www.kprs.com/Blog/FridayNightMixTape/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10551621

Recent plays:

8:31 PM"THRIFT SHOP" - MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS FEAT. WANZ
http://www.kprs.com/broadcasthistory.aspx

I saw his name on the board but I had never heard him, I didn't even know that song was him until after the fact.

The only thing that the term "pop" means as far as music goes is popular. I don't even know what "traditional pop music" is. There was nothing traditional about what Hammer was doing 25 years ago, but he was still a pop artist. Pop music consists of everything that's popular. Music that crosses over and is popular with the mainstream is classified as pop, regardless of the genre. Eminem is a pop artist because he makes pop music.

Plenty of people disagree with the notion that "pop" is some catch all term for anybody selling a substantial amount of records. You can make "pop" music and not necessarily be popular/ mainstream, because pop music still has it's own sound and elements. By that logic you can't be popular without being a pop artist and I don't think that's the case.

I would think most people who know anything about music would probably draw a distinction between between a pop artist and an artist in another genre who is popular or "crossed over".

Madonna was never anything other than a pop singer, she STARTED in the pop genre and went on to incorporate other stuff. I never saw Michael Jackson as an R&B singer as a soloist, he wasn't competing with Marvin Gaye just because they were both popular vocalists...he was doing a different style of music. Marylin Manson was popular but he did not make pop music.

He came into the music game as a pop rapper who catered to the pop crowd.

Now you're the one who's lying.






None of those songs that he so called came in the game with, even "my name is" are really pop music. The only thing "pop" about those songs/videos is that they became popular due to him being white and the dre co-sign, not because they were being geared toward Britney Spears fanbase.

Recovery is probably the album of his most geared toward a pop sound with uplifting anthems and pink features as singles and he probably got more urban radio play with those than any other album.

 

[Gravity]

More pouty than mad...life is harsh, hug me, don't reject me.






Why would I lie about hearing thrift shop for the first time on a black radio station? It's not like I'm trying to talk him up or anything, that is the honest to god's truth of the matter, and here you are ranting and raving about integrity and asking me "who i'm fooling"

Matter of fact:

Friday Night Mixed Tape 5/31
http://www.kprs.com/Blog/FridayNightMixTape/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10551621

Recent plays:

8:31 PM"THRIFT SHOP" - MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS FEAT. WANZ
http://www.kprs.com/broadcasthistory.aspx

I saw his name on the board but I had never heard him, I didn't even know that song was him until after the fact.



Plenty of people disagree with the notion that "pop" is some catch all term for anybody selling a substantial amount of records. You can make "pop" music and not necessarily be popular/ mainstream, because pop music still has it's own sound and elements. By that logic you can't be popular without being a pop artist and I don't think that's the case.

I would think most people who know anything about music would probably draw a distinction between between a pop artist and an artist in another genre who is popular or "crossed over".

Madonna was never anything other than a pop singer, she STARTED in the pop genre and went on to incorporate other stuff. I never saw Michael Jackson as an R&B singer as a soloist, he wasn't competing with Marvin Gaye just because they were both popular vocalists...he was doing a different style of music. Marylin Manson was popular but he did not make pop music.



Now you're the one who's lying.






None of those songs that he so called came in the game with, even "my name is" are really pop music. The only thing "pop" about those songs/videos is that they became popular due to him being white and the dre co-sign, not because they were being geared toward Britney Spears fanbase.

Recovery is probably the album of his most geared toward a pop sound with uplifting anthems and pink features as singles and he probably got more urban radio play with those than any other album.

You need to reject Eninem's dikk from your mouth. You c00ns and your need to protect your white daddies, I just don't get it.

Why would you lie? My best bet is that you're a c00n and a lame who will say whatever to try and solidify your invalid point. I'll give you an E for effort but I still don't believe you. This is nothing but a smokescreen anyway because my point remains. Maclemore blew up without urban/rap radio spins. Eminem's music doesn't get played on urban/rap radio. Those are 2 facts that your bullshyt story doesn't refute.

Look, you can keep c00ning being overprotective of your white hero all you want, but everything that I've said is true. Your dikkriding personal "opinion" aside, Eminem(that signed to aftermath) is and always has been a pop rapper who catered to the pop crowd. "My Name Is" is the definition of a pop record. The track is bubble gum and cheesy, and so are the are the hook and lyrics. I'm not saying that all of his songs are like that but the overwhelming majority of his singles are and they're aimed directly at the pop audience, not the rap audience. This is why his team doesn't even bother to send his shyt to urban/rap radio, they send his shyt directly to the pop top 40 stations. He gets automatic play on stations that cats like Jay Z and Wayne don't even get played on. Eminem doesn't have to cross over, the mainstream is where he originated. Seriously bruh, get off his dikk.

 

[MiC]

Lol gravity is mad as fukk! Somebody get this bytch some tissue he's about to have a breakdown! Blue in the face arguing eminems a pop star when it's clearly not true

 

[CASHAPP]

That's my whole point. Hr spent years dissing pink and Noe has tracks with her. Eminem died in 03 to me

whe
hoste

 

[CASHAPP]

That's my whole point. Hr spent years dissing pink and Noe has tracks with her. Eminem died in 03 to me

when did eminem ever spend years dissing pink? the dude hosted trl in 2000 and on tje episode he was picking his playlist and picked a song by pink that was unknown at a time when half the audience probably never heard of her...years before get the party started


i hate weezy but i ont make up stories about him....what is it with our generation and being lazy about makinfg sure their sources are right? jist so theuy can make a point

 

[SunZoo]

You need to reject Eninem's dikk from your mouth.

What is your obsession with homo erotica, friend?

You insist on talking about dikks in mouths when all we are doing here is having a simple debate/exchange of opinions. All that camel semen must have your stomach upset. You need a hot water bottle or suttin?

Why would you lie? My best bet is that you're a c00n and a lame who will say whatever to try and solidify your invalid point. I'll give you an E for effort but I still don't believe you.

Childish insults and homo erotic fantasies when all you really gotta do is admit you were talking out of your ass...guess that's how you gotta move when nikkas son you left and right, gotta keep your defenses up.

This is nothing but a smokescreen anyway because my point remains. Maclemore blew up without urban/rap radio spins. Eminem's music doesn't get played on urban/rap radio. Those are 2 facts that your bullshyt story doesn't refute.

I never came in here to refute anything, simply to laugh at Fat Damon, and state my opinion on the topic at hand. As for macklmore, i'm sure if he got no urban radio spins he would have done just fine, bottom line is they do play his records here at least.

And I have certainly heard em's songs on the same radio station.

I'm not saying that all of his songs are like that but the overwhelming majority of his singles are and they're aimed directly at the pop audience, not the rap audience.

Just don't give a fukk
Role Model
Guilty conscience
the way i am
stan
cleaning out my closet
superman
sing for the moment
lose yourself
like toy soldiers
mockingbird
3 am
beautiful

Don't seem like songs aimed strictly at pop audiences, not a lot of simple/bubble gum or even dancable shyt once you get past the lead singles, that is not the "overwhelming majority". Another generalization/lie.

 

[Air Nikes N Hats]

Hes a popstar who can rap very well if motivated and focused enough.

 

[youngmeezy]

I'm glad I was able to ignite some intellectual discussion.

 

[Gravity]

What is your obsession with homo erotica, friend?

You insist on talking about dikks in mouths when all we are doing here is having a simple debate/exchange of opinions. All that camel semen must have your stomach upset. You need a hot water bottle or suttin?







Childish insults and homo erotic fantasies when all you really gotta do is admit you were talking out of your ass...guess that's how you gotta move when nikkas son you left and right, gotta keep your defenses up.





I never came in here to refute anything, simply to laugh at Fat Damon, and state my opinion on the topic at hand. As for macklmore, i'm sure if he got no urban radio spins he would have done just fine, bottom line is they do play his records here at least.

And I have certainly heard em's songs on the same radio station.



Just don't give a fukk
Role Model
Guilty conscience
the way i am
stan
cleaning out my closet
superman
sing for the moment
lose yourself
like toy soldiers
mockingbird
3 am
beautiful

Don't seem like songs aimed strictly at pop audiences, not a lot of simple/bubble gum or even dancable shyt once you get past the lead singles, that is not the "overwhelming majority". Another generalization/lie.

When I tell you to get off your knees and stop sucking the white boys's dikk, I'm speaking figuratively. While I have no doubt that your fakkit ass would literally suck him off given the chance, that's not how I mean it. When Cube said "get off my dikk nikka, and tell yo bytch to come here", he wasn't referring to a man being literally on his dikk. You know this, but since you have no integrity and are desperately looking for something to comeback with, you act stupid.

Hey, you asked a question and I simply answered you. That was my best bet. Again, obviously I'm speaking figuratively when calling you a dikkrider. It's your true homosexuality that's making you take it literally. Seriously, your nee to take that "dikkrider" phrase literally exposes you. That has nothing to do with me. Like I said though, my point remains which is Macklemore blew up without urban/rap radio. You're a good c00n, you argue just like crackers.

You're so full of shyt that I can smell it though the screen. How the fukk is a song like "sing for the moment" not a pop rap record when it jacks the entire hook from a pop record? Again, you have no integrity and will say anything in defense of your white hero. You're like Sam's character in Django. Get off of your knees you ashy mouthed c00n.

 

[TheProfessor]

Right now? Pop. Nobody in the hood gives a flying fukk about Eminem. They respect him? Sure. Is he on their radar in 2013? Negro please.