Malik
Superstar
It's.... absolutely nothing like Harry Potter.
That and it came out a good 12 years before.
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That and it came out a good 12 years before.
Malik
Superstar
That's a stupid way of looking at things. If you strip down every movie that's ever came out, you find similarities. There are only 7 stories in the world. Just seven. They're just retold in different ways.
1. The Quest
You've seen it a thousand times, especially in Fantasy stories. The hero must overcome obstacles, enlist the help of friends, defeat enemies, all in pursuit of some far off goal - usually the saving of the world - with the use of some magical artifact.
Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Apocalypse Now, Escape to Witch Mountain, the Narnia series, Conan, the list goes on...
Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Apocalypse Now, Escape to Witch Mountain, the Narnia series, Conan, the list goes on...
2. Voyage and Return
Similar to the Quest model, the main difference being that the protagonist is taken from his 'real' world and thrust on a journey of wonder and self discovery in the pursuit of wisdom or psychological benefit.
The defeat of a monster (often a metaphor for the hero's failings) is a mainstay of this plot.
Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, The Odyssey, Back to the Future, Wizard of Oz - even many horror stories use this same basic premise.
The defeat of a monster (often a metaphor for the hero's failings) is a mainstay of this plot.
Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, The Odyssey, Back to the Future, Wizard of Oz - even many horror stories use this same basic premise.
3. Rebirth
Otherwise known as the Hero's Journey, where a protagonist must learn that adherence to his or her past life and values will not help them grow, change or mature. The largely symbolic 'death' of the hero usually occurs at around the mid to three-quarter point in the story, from which he/she rises again, stronger, wiser and in control.
Again the antagonist, monster or bad circumstance is an analogy for the main character's initial problems.
Every comic book hero has rebirth at the core of their story.
Other examples include A Christmas Carol, Beauty and the Beast, Transformers, even most TV shows that feature crime solving (Law and Order, CSI, Monk etc) often contain the idea that solving the mystery leads to a mini rebirth at the end of each case.
Again the antagonist, monster or bad circumstance is an analogy for the main character's initial problems.
Every comic book hero has rebirth at the core of their story.
Other examples include A Christmas Carol, Beauty and the Beast, Transformers, even most TV shows that feature crime solving (Law and Order, CSI, Monk etc) often contain the idea that solving the mystery leads to a mini rebirth at the end of each case.
4. Comedy
Comedy isn't always about what's funny. It's often about using the absurd to make observations about people at their worst. The best comedy uses its own internal logic to highlight inappropriate behavior that can lead to the the same kind of resolution as the rebirth idea. Wisdom through experience etc.
Orwell's Keep the Aspidistra Flying, When Harry Met Sally and many other rom coms, most TV sitcoms: The Big Bang, Two and Half Men, The Office etc.
Orwell's Keep the Aspidistra Flying, When Harry Met Sally and many other rom coms, most TV sitcoms: The Big Bang, Two and Half Men, The Office etc.
5. Tragedy
Usually centers around a high status character who forced is into a situation where they are downtrodden and the important things in their life are taken from them. Often this is used as a starting point for a story - leading to revenge, justice, enlightenment, liberation etc.
True tragedy has no resolution - only the realization that self importance can lead to pity, a sense of futility and death. Clearly not the kind of story that sells well these days!
Much of Shakespeare is tragic: Hamlet, Richard III, Romeo and Juliet, but also The Godfather series, The Sopranos, even House, etc.
True tragedy has no resolution - only the realization that self importance can lead to pity, a sense of futility and death. Clearly not the kind of story that sells well these days!
Much of Shakespeare is tragic: Hamlet, Richard III, Romeo and Juliet, but also The Godfather series, The Sopranos, even House, etc.
6. Overcoming the Monster
In essence similar to the Voyage and Return plot except that the 'threat' comes from within the protagonist's world, as opposed to outside of it.
The hero must defeat real or imagined 'monsters' to re-establish the status quo - often by absorbing the 'evil' into their world view.
Twilight, indeed almost all vampire stories, Jekyll and Hyde, Jaws, James Bond stories, Hansel and Gretel, The Hannibal series etc.
And finally:
The hero must defeat real or imagined 'monsters' to re-establish the status quo - often by absorbing the 'evil' into their world view.
Twilight, indeed almost all vampire stories, Jekyll and Hyde, Jaws, James Bond stories, Hansel and Gretel, The Hannibal series etc.
And finally:
7. Rags to Riches
Often the hero is plucked from seeming obscurity and given great wealth and power only to have it taken from them. The story revolves around the protagonist's struggle to re-acquire their new status, through the defeat of a newfound set of obstacles.
Aladdin, Cinderella, Great Expectations, even stories like The Matrix and Harry Potter use this plot as a starting point.
Aladdin, Cinderella, Great Expectations, even stories like The Matrix and Harry Potter use this plot as a starting point.
Basically....shut up
Dirty Mcdrawz
Your girl loves em....
That's a stupid way of looking at things. If you strip down every movie that's ever came out, you find similarities. There are only 7 stories in the world. Just seven. They're just retold in different ways.
1. The Quest
You've seen it a thousand times, especially in Fantasy stories. The hero must overcome obstacles, enlist the help of friends, defeat enemies, all in pursuit of some far off goal - usually the saving of the world - with the use of some magical artifact.
Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Apocalypse Now, Escape to Witch Mountain, the Narnia series, Conan, the list goes on...
2. Voyage and Return
Similar to the Quest model, the main difference being that the protagonist is taken from his 'real' world and thrust on a journey of wonder and self discovery in the pursuit of wisdom or psychological benefit.
The defeat of a monster (often a metaphor for the hero's failings) is a mainstay of this plot.
Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, The Odyssey, Back to the Future, Wizard of Oz - even many horror stories use this same basic premise.
3. Rebirth
Otherwise known as the Hero's Journey, where a protagonist must learn that adherence to his or her past life and values will not help them grow, change or mature. The largely symbolic 'death' of the hero usually occurs at around the mid to three-quarter point in the story, from which he/she rises again, stronger, wiser and in control.
Again the antagonist, monster or bad circumstance is an analogy for the main character's initial problems.
Every comic book hero has rebirth at the core of their story.
Other examples include A Christmas Carol, Beauty and the Beast, Transformers, even most TV shows that feature crime solving (Law and Order, CSI, Monk etc) often contain the idea that solving the mystery leads to a mini rebirth at the end of each case.
4. Comedy
Comedy isn't always about what's funny. It's often about using the absurd to make observations about people at their worst. The best comedy uses its own internal logic to highlight inappropriate behavior that can lead to the the same kind of resolution as the rebirth idea. Wisdom through experience etc.
Orwell's Keep the Aspidistra Flying, When Harry Met Sally and many other rom coms, most TV sitcoms: The Big Bang, Two and Half Men, The Office etc.
5. Tragedy
Usually centers around a high status character who forced is into a situation where they are downtrodden and the important things in their life are taken from them. Often this is used as a starting point for a story - leading to revenge, justice, enlightenment, liberation etc.
True tragedy has no resolution - only the realization that self importance can lead to pity, a sense of futility and death. Clearly not the kind of story that sells well these days!
Much of Shakespeare is tragic: Hamlet, Richard III, Romeo and Juliet, but also The Godfather series, The Sopranos, even House, etc.
6. Overcoming the Monster
In essence similar to the Voyage and Return plot except that the 'threat' comes from within the protagonist's world, as opposed to outside of it.
The hero must defeat real or imagined 'monsters' to re-establish the status quo - often by absorbing the 'evil' into their world view.
Twilight, indeed almost all vampire stories, Jekyll and Hyde, Jaws, James Bond stories, Hansel and Gretel, The Hannibal series etc.
And finally:
7. Rags to Riches
Often the hero is plucked from seeming obscurity and given great wealth and power only to have it taken from them. The story revolves around the protagonist's struggle to re-acquire their new status, through the defeat of a newfound set of obstacles.
Aladdin, Cinderella, Great Expectations, even stories like The Matrix and Harry Potter use this plot as a starting point.
Basically....shut up
That's a stupid way of looking at things. If you strip down every movie that's ever came out, you find similarities. There are only 7 stories in the world. Just seven. They're just retold in different ways.
1. The Quest
You've seen it a thousand times, especially in Fantasy stories. The hero must overcome obstacles, enlist the help of friends, defeat enemies, all in pursuit of some far off goal - usually the saving of the world - with the use of some magical artifact.
Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Apocalypse Now, Escape to Witch Mountain, the Narnia series, Conan, the list goes on...
2. Voyage and Return
Similar to the Quest model, the main difference being that the protagonist is taken from his 'real' world and thrust on a journey of wonder and self discovery in the pursuit of wisdom or psychological benefit.
The defeat of a monster (often a metaphor for the hero's failings) is a mainstay of this plot.
Alice in Wonderland, Gulliver's Travels, The Odyssey, Back to the Future, Wizard of Oz - even many horror stories use this same basic premise.
3. Rebirth
Otherwise known as the Hero's Journey, where a protagonist must learn that adherence to his or her past life and values will not help them grow, change or mature. The largely symbolic 'death' of the hero usually occurs at around the mid to three-quarter point in the story, from which he/she rises again, stronger, wiser and in control.
Again the antagonist, monster or bad circumstance is an analogy for the main character's initial problems.
Every comic book hero has rebirth at the core of their story.
Other examples include A Christmas Carol, Beauty and the Beast, Transformers, even most TV shows that feature crime solving (Law and Order, CSI, Monk etc) often contain the idea that solving the mystery leads to a mini rebirth at the end of each case.
4. Comedy
Comedy isn't always about what's funny. It's often about using the absurd to make observations about people at their worst. The best comedy uses its own internal logic to highlight inappropriate behavior that can lead to the the same kind of resolution as the rebirth idea. Wisdom through experience etc.
Orwell's Keep the Aspidistra Flying, When Harry Met Sally and many other rom coms, most TV sitcoms: The Big Bang, Two and Half Men, The Office etc.
5. Tragedy
Usually centers around a high status character who forced is into a situation where they are downtrodden and the important things in their life are taken from them. Often this is used as a starting point for a story - leading to revenge, justice, enlightenment, liberation etc.
True tragedy has no resolution - only the realization that self importance can lead to pity, a sense of futility and death. Clearly not the kind of story that sells well these days!
Much of Shakespeare is tragic: Hamlet, Richard III, Romeo and Juliet, but also The Godfather series, The Sopranos, even House, etc.
6. Overcoming the Monster
In essence similar to the Voyage and Return plot except that the 'threat' comes from within the protagonist's world, as opposed to outside of it.
The hero must defeat real or imagined 'monsters' to re-establish the status quo - often by absorbing the 'evil' into their world view.
Twilight, indeed almost all vampire stories, Jekyll and Hyde, Jaws, James Bond stories, Hansel and Gretel, The Hannibal series etc.
And finally:
7. Rags to Riches
Often the hero is plucked from seeming obscurity and given great wealth and power only to have it taken from them. The story revolves around the protagonist's struggle to re-acquire their new status, through the defeat of a newfound set of obstacles.
Aladdin, Cinderella, Great Expectations, even stories like The Matrix and Harry Potter use this plot as a starting point.
Basically....shut up
Such a longer winded response basically saying what I said was true.
I wasn't commenting on the story itself, but the concept, and why it was chosen to be brought to film. The elements you bring up are true as far as writing a story, not pitching a movie.
When a producer was approached to make this movie I guarantee you it was sold to him exactly as I explained, "It's Harry Potter in space"
This is hollywood type of talk
Only reason Hunger Games and This are being made into films is because of Harry Potter.
Malik
Superstar
Harry potter wasn't the first story to do what you wrote. Who do you think JK Rowling was influenced by in the first place. If I was as cynical as you I could say Harry potter took elements from Star Wars which it did but I won't because it is its own thing.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
I've heard that Ender's Game is required reading for some parts of the armed forces. I read the book and man, you talk about some ruthless ass shyt. You must not only KILL your enemy, you must dominate them, and be willing eradicate them at will. Very good book. And its kids doing all the killing. I doubt the kid killing will make it into the movie but they did kill off some kids in The Hunger Games so who knows. This is the furthest from Harry Potter you can ever get. Ender's Game is like Saving Private Ryan level of Violence.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
See, I could agree with you but.....Hunger Games is about to get extremely dark if they stick to the book and in all honesty Ender's Game should have never been made of a movie this shyt is way too violent. Ender's Game is basically about training kids to commit Genocide. If the producer read the source material, he would have to re-work the book to the point that he would have to change the name of it.
Breh, I know the Marines read the book, I know its violent, your not getting what I'm saying.
Harry Potter fans claim the books were a lot more darker than the films, I've haven't read any or seen the films, I'm just talking about the premise.
Hunger Games is "Harry Potter meets the Running man"
And when I say that, I'm not saying the author thought about combing Harry Potter and the Running Man when making it, I'm saying this is the thought process of a studio wanting to make this movie, there is a countless supply of popular books to make movies out of, by studios look for things to mirror past successes.
Its not about being dark, or violent, anybody can see Ender's Game is a lot violent than Harry Potter without reading the books.
These producers don't care about the source material, there not writers, they care about some shyt thats gonna sell. It's the screen writers job to turn the book into a movie. I'm pretty sure when Harry Potter became a big hit studios sought other fantasy type books dealing with children as the main characters in hopes of catching the same fire.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
At the end of the day we all know its about putting asses in seats and trying to get the biggest audience for the movie. That's why I'm surprised they are going for Ender's. Its surprising because of the subject matter and how are they going to make this movie acceptable for the mass appeal. Harry Potter was written for a certain age group. Ender's Game not for kids. I wonder how they are going to handle the subject matter that's all. And lets hope and pray they don't fukk it up.
detroitwalt
Superstar
All I wanna see is my nikka Bean show up and start sonnin cats
And then get his book made into a movie
And then get his book made into a movie
Love Ender's Game. That shyt was sad as fukk when I was a youngster. Ender was so alone 
My dawgs bean and alai had his back tho
My dawgs bean and alai had his back tho
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Fillerguy
Veteran
Bean is a mary sue, I hated that smug fukk boy