Eric Bischoff calls Bret Hart a whiny bytch

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

but thats already what WCW does.

he stood out in the WWF because he was their trophy workrate guy. a big fish in a small pond.

a bret hart or shawn michaels WWF classic that gets raved about is usually just another match on monday nitro.

so again, what did bret hart do to stand out in WCW?? i'll tell you. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. hence, the reason why he didnt make an impact, despite the constant push & world title run.





he wrestled benoit, sting and prolly a couple others on your list.
lol. why dont you dudes just admit that you didnt watch WCW, and youre just regurgitating rhetoric??
also, bret is just another worker when placed on that WCW roster. and he didnt even bring his A-game. didnt give anybody their best match over there. if you ask me, someone who was actually a WCW viewer, i would say that bret was over-pushed. but let WWF fans tell it, he shouldve been running the place.

all this biggest free agent/most sympathetic man in wrestling stuff. yall need to realize that WCW fans didnt care about the montreal screwjob or any of that chit.
and biggest free agent at that time was really the ultimate warrior.

FOR THE LAST TIME, debuting a big free agent as a special guest referee was COMMON back in the day. the WWF used to do the same chit. i dont see yall complaining about that tho.

Dude, I loved WCW Nitro.

I watched every Monday from '96-2000, and had WCW vs. The World & WCW Thunder for Playstation

Watched every Raw too.

I never said he never wrestled them, I said those should've been the programs he worked where he could do what he does, as opposed to the corny NWO & special guest referee stuff. Yes, other promotions did the "guest referee" thing, but this was a guy that many people thought was the best worker on the planet, who was just involved in the most scandalous thing in the business at the time. Let him come in as a guy with a grudge, who wants to bring justice back to wrestling and lead the WCW fight against the NWO.

And as a WCW fan, I absolutely cared about Bret Hart because it was the biggest scandal ever at the time.

You'd see guys like Rick Rude or Lex Luger show up on WCW TV and it was like "whoa", but Bret Hart was Mr. WWF and the Montreal Screwjob went mainstream. It wasn't just a wrestling storyline, it crossed over into pop culture. It was probably the thing that exposed the business more than anything else ever at that point, one of the biggest wrestlers ever admitting wrestling was fake and he was scheduled to win and Vince McMahon screwed him.

And The Ultimate Warrior had just flamed out in WWF in 1996, he was not the biggest free agent in wrestling.

by 1997, everybody who was over 15 knew Warrior couldn't work and was a dipshyt.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I never said he never wrestled them, I said those should've been the programs he worked where he could do what he does, as opposed to the corny NWO & special guest referee stuff. Yes, other promotions did the "guest referee" thing, but this was a guy that many people thought was the best worker on the planet, who was just involved in the most scandalous thing in the business at the time. Let him come in as a guy with a grudge, who wants to bring justice back to wrestling and lead the WCW fight against the NWO.

And as a WCW fan, I absolutely cared about Bret Hart because it was the biggest scandal ever at the time.

You'd see guys like Rick Rude or Lex Luger show up on WCW TV and it was like "whoa", but Bret Hart was Mr. WWF and the Montreal Screwjob went mainstream. It wasn't just a wrestling storyline, it crossed over into pop culture. It was probably the thing that exposed the business more than anything else ever at that point, one of the biggest wrestlers ever admitting wrestling was fake and he was scheduled to win and Vince McMahon screwed him.

And The Ultimate Warrior had just flamed out in WWF in 1996, he was not the biggest free agent in wrestling.

by 1997, everybody who was over 15 knew Warrior couldn't work and was a dipshyt.

youre digging a deeper hole.
first you claimed he didnt have those opponents in WCW, now youre moving the goal-posts talembout the NWO and bringing up him being a referee(and i dont know why).
none of those matches had anything to do with the NWO.

then you turn around and say that bret shouldve came in leading the fight against the NWO.
WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF.
and that may have actually been the plan at first. cuz they brought him in the fold via that bischoff match. he was indeed that "guy with the grudge trying to bring justice back to wrestling". thats the whole point of making him the enforcer during that bischoff match(the man behind the NWO, the person vince was trying to be when he created the mr mcmahon character). that debut was everything you wanted, and you dont even realize it. they prolly backed off when they saw that bret wasnt really over with the audience, and realized that he wouldve got slaughtered and styled on. they actually did bret a favor by doing that, but bret being a mark for himself prolly doesnt realize it, and yall up here cosigning him. lol. he really didnt earn most of his accomplishments in WCW, and yet he has the nerve to whine about his tenure there. i cant rock with that.

bret is a great worker, but that "best worker on the planet" stuff is some WWF chit. like i said, he stood out in the WWF for putting on matches that would be just another bout on nitro. theres plenty of guys i would put ahead of him.

you keep brining up his so-called momentum from the montreal screwjob, and i keep trying to tell you that WCW fans didnt give a f*ck about it. LOL. its a much bigger deal now than it was back then in real-time. WCW fans didnt care, and non-wrestling fans knew nothing about it, so lol @ you claiming it crossed over into pop culture.

lex luger returning to WCW and rick rude debuting in WCW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bret hart jumping to WCW
no real WCW fan would tell you otherwise.

ultimate warrior was the most over wrestler in '96 WWF. more over than bret hart. he didnt flame out. he got fired for no-showing. and they still were trying to bring him back a year later.
if warrior wasnt a sought after free agent, then please explain why vince was trying to throw the bag at em. and please explain why warrior's buzz going into wcw was bigger than bret's. now that right there is the chit that had casuals & non-wrestling fans talking. even had WWF fans tuned into nitro. and arguing about WCW storylines in the fall of '98.

lol @ workrate. warrior was a draw.
i like bret hart but bret was never a draw outside of canada and never a game-changng player.

 

[mr.africa]

Nah, Bret is just a straight shooter (no pun intended). He's bitter about some stuff, sure, but he also just has this personality where he'll say things straight up without nuance.

Like that interview he did where he talked about Vader and said he didn't like wrestling him because he would rarely wash his outfit and dude would stink.

Vader reacted like 'What's your problem with me, Bret?'

and Bret was like 'I have no problem with you. But you can't tell me you didn't stink.'

That's just how Bret is.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

youre digging a deeper hole.
first you claimed he didnt have those opponents in WCW, now youre moving the goal-posts talembout the NWO and bringing up him being a referee(and i dont know why).

didn't even read the rest.

You lied on me.

I never said that

Either you can't comprehend what I was saying or you're purposely misconstruing my words.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

didn't even read the rest.

You lied on me.

I never said that

Either you can't comprehend what I was saying or you're purposely misconstruing my words.

i didnt lie on anything.
you said he shouldve been having matches with XYZ.
but he DID have matches with most of them.
so if you knew that he had matches with XYZ, then why would you make such a statement in the 1st place??

i'll wait.

and while youre at it, you should double back and read my post that you claim you didnt read, since you now have no excuse to ignore my post, and no excuse to deflect.

 

[TheNig]

Bischoff only signed Bret thinking it was gonna be the final nail in the coffin by taking their main champion. He didn't have shyt for Bret to do

After watching Monday Night Wars, it could be argued that He didn't have shyt for anyone to do around that time other than Sting.

Thankfully Goldberg kinda fell into his lap.

The only thing that Eric did right was change the structure of the content. fukk all that "believe to achieve" and "eat your vegetables and take your vitamins" shyt. He knew that the realism would sell.

Other than that, he sucked.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

After watching Monday Night Ears, it could be argued that He didn't have shyt for anyone to do around that time other than Sting.

Thankfully Goldberg kinda fell into his lap.

The only thing that Eric did right was change the structure of the content. fukk all that "believe to achieve" and "eat your vegetables and take your vitamins" shyt. He knew that the realism would sell.

Other than that, he sucked.

so nobody had anything to do except sting??

the problem is, yall waited to watch this stuff 20 years later on the network, and applying WWE logic to it.

"something to do" for yall means being in a dramatized or cartoonish storyline, or being pushed to the moon.
WCW was more sport-based. you cant apply WWE logic to it.
YES indeed alot of people had stuff to do, and alot of stars were made, contrary to the WWE's revisionist narrative.

 

[CM_Burns]

I think a big part of the problem is that Bret wasn't what he once was in the ring by 1998. Either that, or he wasnt putting in the effort. They set him up with familiar guys/legends for the first half of his first year (Macho Man, Perfect, Ric Flair), and then had him work with WCW guys more in the 2nd half (Sting, DDP, Booker T). The Flair match was very good. I thought his heel character stuff and promos was pretty good at times, but in the ring he DID NOT DELIVER in WCW, especially being in the same company as guys who were killing it at the time in the midcard. He had a big program with DDP at DDP's hottest, and the matches weren't good. He had a big match with Sting, and it wasn't good. He wrestled Booker T on PPV, and it didn't suck but wasnt nearly as good as the matches Booker just had with Benoit a few weeks earlier.

WCW pushing Bret more in 1998 would've hurt them. Their biggest problem was that, as the year went on, all these millions of kids and young adults who just found out about wrestling were seeing WWF as the cooler show. Part of that is WWF had the edgier show, but part of that is the top guys. Some US vs Canada sh1t or a story where he's crusading against the NWO because he lost a fake match FOR REAL in WWF was not the answer to WCW's problems.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I think a big part of the problem is that Bret wasn't what he once was in the ring by 1998. Either that, or he wasnt putting in the effort. They set him up with familiar guys/legends for the first half of his first year (Macho Man, Perfect, Ric Flair), and then had him work with WCW guys more in the 2nd half (Sting, DDP, Booker T). The Flair match was very good. I thought his heel character stuff and promos was pretty good at times, but in the ring he DID NOT DELIVER in WCW, especially being in the same company as guys who were killing it at the time in the midcard. He had a big program with DDP at DDP's hottest, and the matches weren't good. He had a big match with Sting, and it wasn't good. He wrestled Booker T on PPV, and it didn't suck but wasnt nearly as good as the matches Booker just had with Benoit a few weeks earlier.

WCW pushing Bret more in 1998 would've hurt them. Their biggest problem was that, as the year went on, all these millions of kids and young adults who just found out about wrestling were seeing WWF as the cooler show. Part of that is WWF had the edgier show, but part of that is the top guys. Some US vs Canada sh1t or a story where he's crusading against the NWO because he lost a fake match FOR REAL in WWF was not the answer to WCW's problems.

THIS

well-said.

these guys are just gonna ignore this and regurgitate their faulty arguments again in the next thread a couple months from now tho.

 

[CM_Burns]

THIS

well-said.

these guys are just gonna ignore this and regurgitate their faulty arguments again in the next thread a couple months from now tho.

They put him with DDP, fresh off of the two big Hogan celebrity matches, winning Wargames, and the Goldberg match, and he managed to have a bad major PPV match with him. The month after DDP tore the house down with GOLDBERG who'd been wrestling for like 1 yr. So many excuses.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

They put him with DDP, fresh off of the two big Hogan celebrity matches, winning Wargames, and the Goldberg match, and he managed to have a bad major PPV match with him. The month after DDP tore the house down with GOLDBERG who'd been wrestling for like 1 yr. So many excuses.

#FACTS.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

i didnt lie on anything.
you said he shouldve been having matches with XYZ.
but he DID have matches with most of them.
so if you knew that he had matches with XYZ, then why would you make such a statement in the 1st place??

i'll wait.

and while youre at it, you should double back and read my post that you claim you didnt read, since you now have no excuse to ignore my post, and no excuse to deflect.

I never said he didn't work with those people.

I was saying the FOCUS of his time there should've been working with those people. Big difference.

He shouldn't have been wasting his time with the NWO, Goldberg, and that other malarkey.

Let Bret Hart have great matches with Malenko, Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio, and dudes like that and elevate the great workers in that company.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I never said he didn't work with those people.

I was saying the FOCUS of his time there should've been working with those people. Big difference.

He shouldn't have been wasting his time with the NWO, Goldberg, and that other malarkey.

Let Bret Hart have great matches with Malenko, Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Mysterio, and dudes like that and elevate the great workers in that company.

youre contradicting yourself again.

in another one of your posts, youre saying that he shouldve came in on a crusade to take down the NWO.
now you done went back to saying that he shouldnt have been dealing with them.

shouldnt have been working with goldberg??? WTF. goldberg was arguably the biggest wrestler on the planet a year prior.

bret had matches with alot of the great workers in the company, and guess what?? the matches werent great!!!!!! so why do you keep trying to push this argument??? then you have the nerve to wonder why youre looking funny in this thread.

nor was bret over enough in WCW to "elevate" any of them. most of the names youre mentioning, were more over than bret in WCW. which is again, something you would know if you really watched.

like my man just said, yall in here making all types of excuses.
just recognize the real and take it in blood.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

youre contradicting yourself again.

No, I'm not.

You're just too retarded to get what I'm saying.

That's cool, tho.

 

[Dave24]

hhh still hates the rock