Even Socialist parties in Europe are becoming more "right wing"

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I'm not so sure about entertainment. People were more free to follow their dreams and embark in entertainment industry during communism (and follow their interests in general, like my dad who graduated in philosophy, than enrolled maths and finally linguistics...)
Today a lot of people are afraid to follow their dreams.
Capitalism is better at producing expensive parts of entertainment industry, like Hollywood blockbusters...

No shade, what are some great works of art / literature produced in communist countries?
 

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Which "socialist parties" are we talking about specifically? I didn't see any listed. A lot are only "socialist" in name, and have been for decades (like the french PS).

That being said the most viable distinction to be done on the political spectrum is the attitude towards foreigners, minorities and immigration. All the rest is basically nuances of the same extractivist capitalism that has taken over the world. As such, most serious anti-racists recognize that racism, xenophobia and anti-immigration views permeate damn near ALL parties, sections of the population ("elites", working class, etc) and even minorities who end up adopting the same views as extreme-right towards other minorities and foreigners.
 

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Which "socialist parties" are we talking about specifically? I didn't see any listed. A lot are only "socialist" in name, and have been for decades (like the french PS).

That being said the most viable distinction to be done on the political spectrum is the attitude towards foreigners, minorities and immigration. All the rest is basically nuances of the same extractivist capitalism that has taken over the world. As such, most serious anti-racists recognize that racism, xenophobia and anti-immigration views permeate damn near ALL parties, sections of the population ("elites", working class, etc) and even minorities who end up adopting the same views as extreme-right towards other minorities and foreigners.

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In this backdrop of globalization, the article talks about the dog whistle of white men being envious of non-white nations being risen out of poverty and establishing more vibrant middle classes than ours at this point. Most notably China and some of those in SE Asia.

But within that backdrop we have immense corporate power and concentration that is leading to facism. I agree with Stoller that you can't ignore the financial industry role in this. People think its a dog whistle against Jews but that's BS. Look at America. We've had 40 years of monopolization and the bank bailouts with the destruction of institutions and the political process so that politics has shifted to where it is now.

Perhaps some white people are waking up to the monster they helped create like a Josh Hawley who is a social conservative who denies climate change and tolerates his president's racist behavior.

You can only ignore things like big pharma killing your citizens for so long or the power of the banks...

But IMO they're responding to what Warren or Sanders have been saying. And the Democrats by and large still don't understand these dynamics. Biden is running for POTUS BUT no one is explicitly going after him and Obama not going after the banks or policies that could have prevented mass foreclosure or whatever. It is very subtle in demo politics. Stoller keeps talking about how Julian Castro doesn't understand private equity destroying worker lives and companies for increased profits. And on Friday we have Warren coming with a plan to address it.
 

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No shade, what are some great works of art / literature produced in communist countries?
Being ex-Yugoslavian that is naturally the scene I know best, although it was not so famous globally as the Soviet art scene.

From ex-Yugoslavia globally most famous novel is The Bridge on the Drina by Nobel-winning Ivo Andrić, although my favorite ones are probably Death and the Dervish by Meša Selimović, When Pumpkins Blossomed by Dragoslav Mihajlović, Fathers and forefathers by Slobodan Selenić.
Most famous films were some festival winners like I Even Met Happy Gypsies from Cannes, Do You Remember Dolly Bell from Venice and When Father Was Away on Business from Cannes. My personal favorites are W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism by Makavejev and
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator also by Makavejev.
The most famous sculptor was Bogdan Bogdanović (and it is a shame young Serbs know the name mostly for the basketball player). Some artists started their work in Yugoslavia, got famous locally and then left for the bigger stage (like Marina Abramović left for New York and Vladimir Veličković for Paris).

Globally one must mention Soviet artists. In literature those were Maxim Gorky (My Childhood), Boris Pasternak (Doctor Zhivago), Mikhail Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita), Mikhail Sholokhov (And Quiet Flows the Don), poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. My personal favorite is satirical novel The Little Golden Calf by Ilf and Petrov.
In film of course one must mention Battleship Potemkin and all films by
Andrei Tarkovsky (my personal favorite of his is Stalker).
In music the most famous was Sergei Prokofiev (I love his ballets too).
The artist that inspired socialist realism style in painting was Isaak Brodsky (famous for the painting Opening Ceremony of Third International II congress).
Finally one must at least mention Czech film school (authors like Menzel or young Forman).
 
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Being ex-Yugoslavian that is naturally the scene I know best, although it was not so famous globally as the Soviet art scene.

From ex-Yugoslavia globally most famous novel is The Bridge on the Drina by Nobel-winning Ivo Andrić, although my favorite ones are probably Death and the Dervish by Meša Selimović, When Pumpkins Blossomed by Dragoslav Mihajlović, Fathers and forefathers by Slobodan Selenić.
Most famous films were some festival winners like I Even Met Happy Gypsies from Cannes, Do You Remember Dolly Bell from Venice and When Father Was Away on Business from Cannes. My personal favorites are W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism by Makavejev and
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator also by Makavejev.
The most famous sculptor was Bogdan Bogdanović (and it is a shame young Serbs know the name mostly for the basketball player). Some artists started their work in Yugoslavia, got famous locally and then left for the bigger stage (like Marina Abramović left for New York and Vladimir Veličković for Paris).

Globally one must mention Soviet artists. In literature those were Maxim Gorky (My Childhood), Boris Pasternak (Doctor Zhivago), Mikhail Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita), Mikhail Sholokhov (And Quiet Flows the Don), poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. My personal favorite is satirical novel The Little Golden Calf by Ilf and Petrov.
In film of course one must mention Battleship Potemkin and all films by
Andrei Tarkovsky (my personal favorite of his is Stalker).
In music the most famous was Sergei Prokofiev (I love his ballets too).
The artist that inspired social realism style in painting was Isaak Brodsky (famous for the painting Opening Ceremony of Third International II congress).
Finally one must at least mention Czech film school (authors like Menzel or young Forman).

I guess we could add Milan Kundera (Czech Republic) and Ismaïl Kadaré (Albania)
 

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Being ex-Yugoslavian that is naturally the scene I know best, although it was not so famous globally as the Soviet art scene.

From ex-Yugoslavia globally most famous novel is The Bridge on the Drina by Nobel-winning Ivo Andrić, although my favorite ones are probably Death and the Dervish by Meša Selimović, When Pumpkins Blossomed by Dragoslav Mihajlović, Fathers and forefathers by Slobodan Selenić.
Most famous films were some festival winners like I Even Met Happy Gypsies from Cannes, Do You Remember Dolly Bell from Venice and When Father Was Away on Business from Cannes. My personal favorites are W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism by Makavejev and
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator also by Makavejev.
The most famous sculptor was Bogdan Bogdanović (and it is a shame young Serbs know the name mostly for the basketball player). Some artists started their work in Yugoslavia, got famous locally and then left for the bigger stage (like Marina Abramović left for New York and Vladimir Veličković for Paris).

Globally one must mention Soviet artists. In literature those were Maxim Gorky (My Childhood), Boris Pasternak (Doctor Zhivago), Mikhail Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita), Mikhail Sholokhov (And Quiet Flows the Don), poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. My personal favorite is satirical novel The Little Golden Calf by Ilf and Petrov.
In film of course one must mention Battleship Potemkin and all films by
Andrei Tarkovsky (my personal favorite of his is Stalker).
In music the most famous was Sergei Prokofiev (I love his ballets too).
The artist that inspired socialist realism style in painting was Isaak Brodsky (famous for the painting Opening Ceremony of Third International II congress).
Finally one must at least mention Czech film school (authors like Menzel or young Forman).

Please make a thread! :feedme:
 

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:ehh:Great question.


While I have my gripes to pick with Communists (not Marxists) for various reasons, I do give them credit for the contemporary literature/philosophy movement they have going on.

I've been reading this and i think anybody who has pondering about what a possible future outside of capitalism could look like in theory

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Being ex-Yugoslavian that is naturally the scene I know best, although it was not so famous globally as the Soviet art scene.

From ex-Yugoslavia globally most famous novel is The Bridge on the Drina by Nobel-winning Ivo Andrić, although my favorite ones are probably Death and the Dervish by Meša Selimović, When Pumpkins Blossomed by Dragoslav Mihajlović, Fathers and forefathers by Slobodan Selenić.
Most famous films were some festival winners like I Even Met Happy Gypsies from Cannes, Do You Remember Dolly Bell from Venice and When Father Was Away on Business from Cannes. My personal favorites are W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism by Makavejev and
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator also by Makavejev.
The most famous sculptor was Bogdan Bogdanović (and it is a shame young Serbs know the name mostly for the basketball player). Some artists started their work in Yugoslavia, got famous locally and then left for the bigger stage (like Marina Abramović left for New York and Vladimir Veličković for Paris).


Globally one must mention Soviet artists. In literature those were Maxim Gorky (My Childhood), Boris Pasternak (Doctor Zhivago), Mikhail Bulgakov (The Master and Margarita), Mikhail Sholokhov (And Quiet Flows the Don), poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. My personal favorite is satirical novel The Little Golden Calf by Ilf and Petrov.
In film of course one must mention Battleship Potemkin and all films by
Andrei Tarkovsky (my personal favorite of his is Stalker).
In music the most famous was Sergei Prokofiev (I love his ballets too).
The artist that inspired socialist realism style in painting was Isaak Brodsky (famous for the painting Opening Ceremony of Third International II congress).
Finally one must at least mention Czech film school (authors like Menzel or young Forman).

I guess we could add Milan Kundera (Czech Republic) and Ismaïl Kadaré (Albania)

:ehh:Great question.


While I have my gripes to pick with Communists (not Marxists) for various reasons, I do give them credit for the contemporary literature/philosophy movement they have going on.

I've been reading this and i think anybody who has pondering about what a possible future outside of capitalism could look like in theory

9781786632623-bd268883488dc546796913a676643850.jpg

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