Ex-Muslims and atheists meet in secret due to threats of violence

[Blade]

Ive seen more drama in churches t be honest.

Right.. so you have seen people getting their limbs chopped off during ur sunday church service huh

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Right.. so you have seen people getting their limbs chopped off during ur sunday church service huh

Have you? Honestly answer that?
(Muslim voilence)

 

[levitate]

attention seeking at its finest?

Ok so you are done with god/allah and ramadan..why do they have to chant it out loud and have seminars?

To let others know that it's ridiculous to believe in fairy tales?

 

[Blade]

Have you? Honestly answer that?

I wouldn't know cuz unlike u breh ... I was raised Muslim in a conservative Muslim country and now not a believer.. you can't relate tho


Edit: I ain't been in no church in my life so I can't answer... but you can't sit there and act like some Saudi funded imams don't preach violence towards those that don't have the same beliefs as them...

 

[GetInTheTruck]

No...

What I'm saying is that they see religion is a choice... No one is forcing them to stay there in their little podunk ass towns. I dont see how having a meeting with fellow atheists & ex-muslims in secret is gonna help.

Also another question is why don't they fight back. The only thing it seems people respect over there is a bullet. If you have a ton of atheists that dont believe squad up and protect yourselves??? just trying to make sense of an insane situation....

It's just fukked up all around.

Actually a lot of them are forced to keep up appearances as a Muslim even though they may not believe in it internally. It's a different reality. As long as they aren't comparing their struggles with other struggles on some oppression Olympics shyt their concerns are valid.

 

[ORDER_66]

Actually a lot of them are forced to keep up appearances as a Muslim even though they may not believe in it internally. It's a different reality. As long as they aren't comparing their struggles with other struggles on some oppression Olympics shyt their concerns are valid.

No one said they're concerns arent valid, just wondering why don't they just leave????

 

[GetInTheTruck]

No one said they're concerns arent valid, just wondering why don't they just leave????

Why don't you just leave America? After all you feel you are oppressed right?

 

[ORDER_66]

Why don't you just leave America? After all you feel you are oppressed right?

I dont' have my passport yet...

and besides we dont have bands of roving maniacs religious nutjobs roaming around the neighborhood executing little kids for being atheists...

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I dont' have my passport yet...

and besides we dont have bands of roving maniacs religious nutjobs roaming around the neighborhood executing little kids for being atheists...

But I thought you had raving bands of racist cops executing people for being black? Why don't you leave? See why it's stupid to bring that up? Totally different circumstances.

 

[ORDER_66]

But I thought you had raving bands of racist cops executing people for being black? Why don't you leave? See why it's stupid to bring that up? Totally different circumstances.

Like I said, I'm working on it...

 

[MikeyC]

attention seeking at its finest?

Ok so you are done with god/allah and ramadan..why do they have to chant it out loud and have seminars?

:kblackscust:

Surviving being chopped up for not believing in a religion calls for seminars in my eyes.

 

[RadaMillz]

I know plenty of ex Muslims and I don't see anyone bothering them. They mind their own business and live their life how they see fit.

Problem is most of these so called ex Muslims complaining want to offend believers by drawing disgusting cartoons and constantly seeking attention trying to get brownie points from western Islamaphobes.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

I know plenty of ex Muslims and I don't see anyone bothering them. They mind their own business and live their life how they see fit.

Problem is most of these so called ex Muslims complaining want to offend believers by drawing disgusting cartoons and constantly seeking attention trying to get brownie points from western Islamaphobes.

i know plenty and many ex muslims, former masjid praying goers who no longer subscribe or feel that it's time to move on..they don't bother anyone or have shyt on their door step with some fatwah..

You get these funny ass crackers who create these platform groups and throw a couple of brown faces as the chairman of these organisations..

now if you have individuals talking non stop negative stuff about the faith and its worshippers then a reaction will be ignited, simple.

 

[Karb]

According to Islamic law, within an Islamic state, if a citizen renounces Islam as their religion they are to be put to death. The "no compulsion in religion" quote Muslims love to quote comes from a time when Muslims were a minority living under Quraysh, don't fall for the trickery.

How would the state learn about the personal beliefs of an ex-Muslim?

How many cases of apostates being executed do we find in Islamic history?

Why were there entire philosophical schools of thought in the heart of the Muslim world (places like Baghdad and Damascus) that were openly regarded as apostates by the Sunni State? I'm talking about the Jahmiyya, the Qadariyyah, Mulhideen (they were open atheists by the way), not to mention the extremist Shi'ite sects (Isma'iliyya, Alawiyyah etc).

Why were they debated by the jurists of the time (Abu Hanifah, the founder of the Hanafi Madhab, which is probably the largest school of thought in the muslim World today, was known for debating atheists) instead of just being executed for leaving the religion?

And lastly, who do you Dumbasses speak so authoritatively about a subject that you know next to nothing about?

Stay in your lane and humble yourself

 

[Karb]

i know plenty and many ex muslims, former masjid praying goers who no longer subscribe or feel that it's time to move on..they don't bother anyone or have shyt on their door step with some fatwah..

You get these funny ass crackers who create these platform groups and throw a couple of brown faces as the chairman of these organisations..

now if you have individuals talking non stop negative stuff about the faith and its worshippers then a reaction will be ignited, simple.

The way that this entire issue is framed is just ridiculous. Even if we agree that apostates are to be executed, it is not the job of vigilantes. Vigilantism is strictly forbidden, in fact.

Secondly, there is no actual Sharia compliant Government anywhere on Earth today, so this talk about Islamic law and Islamic legal principles is largely a red herring. What we have in the so called Islamic world today are leftovers from colonial rule. It's either secular dictatorships, with secular constitutions that use religion in a very opportunistic fashion to sedate the masses or kingdoms that were backed and installed by Western powers. In some parts you have complete chaos and breakdown of social structures, which has allowed various extremist groups to fill the gap. Presenting this sort of environment as representative of authentic "Islamic law" or "Islamic thought" is disingenuous to say the least.

Most Muslims don't even know the basics of the legal rules concerning ritual purification (fiqh al-taharah), let alone complex apostasy laws (which only the State would have a right to regulate, either way). Illiteracy is rampant. People have in many places reverted back to pre-Islamic cultural practices like honor killings, forced marriages etc.. In this type of environment, some ignorant people might respond with violence if they feel that their religion is being disrespected.

These ex-Muslims who publicize their apostasy tend to be opportunistic douchebags who are trying to ride the anti-Muslim wave. I know personally of several ex-Muslims whom nobody bothers. The worst that can happen in most cases is that the family cuts ties with them, which is their prerogative

They don't have to keep caring for adults