GetInTheTruck
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How would the state learn about the personal beliefs of an ex-Muslim?
The same way they would learn about various crimes and infractions - accusations/reports from others.
How many cases of apostates being executed do we find in Islamic history?
Is this a serious question? The Ridda wars are probably the most famous example. On top of that there are so many narrations from Bukhari advocating death for Apostates. I could post them, but in the last thread about this you guys were trying to wiggle out of this dilemma by conveniently pushing aside the relevancy of hadeeth.
Why were there entire philosophical schools of thought in the heart of the Muslim world (places like Baghdad and Damascus) that were openly regarded as apostates by the Sunni State? I'm talking about the Jahmiyya, the Qadariyyah, Mulhideen (they were open atheists by the way), not to mention the extremist Shi'ite sects (Isma'iliyya, Alawiyyah etc).
This is not a good argument for you, since many of the adherents of these sects were forced to flee the vicinity of orthodox Muslims for fear of their lives and safety. Ahmadis and Bahai's are not in India today because they decided to take a permanent vacation just for kicks. Besides what is the difference, really, since by conceding sectarian strife short of apostasy you are conceding the crux of the issue - that Islam is at heart an intolerant ideology.
None of the the principle jurists reject apostasy, they all accept it. They just differ on how it is to be applied.
Oh, well that just makes it ok then
No true scotsman fallacy. Logical Fallacies» ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
Most Muslims don't even know the basics of the legal rules concerning ritual purification (fiqh al-taharah), let alone complex apostasy laws (which only the State would have a right to regulate, either way). Illiteracy is rampant. People have in many places reverted back to pre-Islamic cultural practices like honor killings, forced marriages etc.. In this type of environment, some ignorant people might respond with violence if they feel that their religion is being disrespected.
These ex-Muslims who publicize their apostasy tend to be opportunistic douchebags who are trying to ride the anti-Muslim wave. I know personally of several ex-Muslims whom nobody bothers. The worst that can happen in most cases is that the family cuts ties with them, which is their prerogative
They don't have to keep caring for adults
Bruh, you clearly know that death for apostasy is prescribed by your religion, that's why you are trying to be slick and weave qualifiers into your arguments. Nah fukk that.
The worst someone like you can do in a civilized country is call an ex-muslim a "douchebag" and kick them out of your family, but the worst you could do in a state governed by the principles of your religion would most likely be a lot of more sinister. Which is exactly why Islam should be kept in check wherever Muslims are a significant part of the population.
@ the irony of you posting something from an Ahmadiyya site.....you do know the Ahmadiyyas are considered kaffirs by Sunni Muslims right?
