Expect plently of "Watch Dogs" sequels

[Kodie]

Most of the time, a yearly sequel means being able to make a better margin. You don't have to do as much R&D. You don't have to work on a new engine. It's smart business and I get that. But the goal is clearly to spend less money than you did last time. Sometimes that works out great. In the cases where you have to refine some rough edges, that works really well. For example, Assassin's Creed 2. And when you add multiplayer, that's even better: AC Brotherhood and Uncharted 2. But in so many cases, it's basically just a way to make more profit off of your initial investment without as much of a value-add. That's the publisher's prerogative and it seems to be working really for them for the most part. But I personally am not interested.


Tony Hawk syndrome is on point. As well as Guitar Hero and really most of what ATVI touches.

 

[The Phoenix]

edit: and gta v on ps3/xbox one is going to be garbage. i've decided i'm going to wait until it reaches ps4

Bro...thats an MMO. And after last weeks reveal video, you are probably the only person on the planet that thinks GTA V is gonna be garbage. I salute you and that limb you are standing on. Don't ask to join us multiplayer later on this year once you see how good it is.

That's conjecture but it's certainly not unfounded. They do have multiple teams. Do you think the better team got to make Uncharted 3 or TLOU? I think it's clear which game got more resources.

Its two different games....and more importantly two different types of games. ND took a shot at a new IP and did good for themselves but you are getting off track. UC3 was still a step back from UC2. You can make excuses all day for why UC3 wasn't as good but the fact is, they had time to work out it and it wasn't as good of a game as the one before it. So as I was saying, simply adding more time to the development cycle does not ensure that your game is a success. To me that means the reverse as well. Not spending 3 years to make a game does not mean its automatically not good. Now again, if you are just sick of playing AC then fine. Just don't play it, but don't label it as stale simply because YOU don't feel like playing it anymore. I personally thought the addition of the sea missions were great in AC3 and can't wait to see how it holds up on a larger scale in Black Flag

he's right though..eventually things go stale..its tony hawk syndrome.

I remember there were supposed to be tony hawk games every year until like 2015..

i think it burned out by 05

Yeah....sure games do go stale. But was it simply because they put it out every year or was it because they didn't allow other people with other ideas to take a shot at it? You can't make that call.

 

[marcuz]

Bro...thats an MMO. And after last weeks reveal video, you are probably the only person on the planet that thinks GTA V is gonna be garbage. I salute you and that limb you are standing on. Don't ask to join us multiplayer later on this year once you see how good it is.

i like how you completely ignored the other half of my sentence. i said gta v is going to be garbage on these old consoles. you already know they're going to release it on ps4/xboxone/pc, i'd rather wait for that and get the better polished product

 

[FlyRy]

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Yeah....sure games do go stale. But was it simply because they put it out every year or was it because they didn't allow other people with other ideas to take a shot at it? You can't make that call.

oversaturation. word to 50 and lil wayne.

 

[The Phoenix]

i like how you completely ignored the other half of my sentence. i said gta v is going to be garbage on these old consoles. you already know they're going to release it on ps4/xboxone/pc, i'd rather wait for that and get the better polished product

I didn't ignore it. You are making an assumption. You HOPE its coming to new consoles. But why would it matter? Are you hoping for better graphics? They aren't going to make GTV V: Next Gen Edition where all of a sudden the city is bigger and the cops are now simulations of real life police officers. No, they are going to make the same game and port it and probably bump up a few textures but its going to be the same exact game.

So to you a game is garbage unless its has full HD 1080 60 fps graphics...... It's good to know where you stand

 

[The Phoenix]

oversaturation. word to 50 and lil wayne.

As I said before, for some it works and for some it doesn't. No one checks for 50. But Lil Wayne still sells a lot of records

 

[Saint1]

How so? Every game increased in scale and added gameplay features. What more do you want from a game? If that game hadn't been released for 3 years and then they released a new AC 3 what would have been so different? If AC 3 is stale then just about every sequel released today is stale.

What more do I want from a game?

How about being innovative and not rehashing the same model from the previous year? AC has 5 games in one generation and they're all pretty much the same.

Assassin's Creed just adds a few features that are tacked on: go send your assassins to do kills. Really? I'm going to play about assassinating and have a computer go simulate it for me? or you can build a villa. It's just pressing X on a menu and seeing little buildings pop up.

They add insignifact features but haven't fixed clipping, glitches, the clunky way the game plays: Assassin's Creed 3: How To Pass Brazil Mission - YouTube.

The little sequels in between killed AC. Revelations and Brotherhood were slight improvements but overall just filler. If the series was just AC2 and then AC3 the gameplay would not have been so stale and they would've have probably concentrated on making a tighter experience as opposed to churning one out for the fiscal year.

 

[marcuz]

I didn't ignore it. You are making an assumption. You HOPE its coming to new consoles. But why would it matter? Are you hoping for better graphics? They aren't going to make GTV V: Next Gen Addition where all of a sudden the city is bigger and the cops are now simulations of real life police officers. No, they are going to make the same game and port it and probably bump up a few textures but its going to be the same exact game.

So to you a game is garbage unless its has full HD 1080 60 fps graphics...... It's good to know where you stand

i expect better graphics, and a more populated simulation.

you can take the lower product, i'll wait for the top product.

 

[The Phoenix]

What more do I want from a game?

How about being innovative and not rehashing the same model from the previous year? AC has 5 games in one generation and they're all pretty much the same.

Assassin's Creed just adds a few features that are tacked on: go send your assassins to do kills. Really? I'm going to play about assassinating and have a computer go simulate it for me? or you can build a villa. It's just pressing X on a menu and seeing little buildings pop up.

They add insignifact features but haven't fixed clipping, glitches, the clunky way the game plays: Assassin's Creed 3: How To Pass Brazil Mission - YouTube.

The little sequels in between killed AC. Revelations and Brotherhood were slight improvements but overall just filler. If the series was just AC2 and then AC3 the gameplay would not have been so stale and they would've have probably concentrated on making a tighter experience as opposed to churning one out for the fiscal year.

I'm all for improving technical glitches. But one, you have no way of knowing that if they went from AC2 to AC3 if it would have been glitch free. Chances are, there would have simply been other glitches. You have no way of knowing if the gameplay would have changed. Common sense says some things would have been different, but how much of a difference? You are assuming that everyone finds the game stale. YOU don't care for it because you've played it a lot. Fine, but the gameplay itself is still polished and its clearly one of the better games on the market. You have it in your head that it has to take 3 or 4 years to make a game and you automatically assume that when they do that it will be vastly different. But what game has been that way. Most sequels including games like Metal Gear all have the same general gameplay, button layouts, objectives....etc. You are trying to rewrite the way the industry works to fit your bias of the game. Doesn't work that way.

i expect better graphics, and a more populated simulation.

you can take the lower product, i'll wait for the top product.

Oh so you have confirmed that a port would automatically have "a more populated simulation"

By all means link that info. I'm sure we are all curious to see it.

And you can keep waiting on that top picture. I'll take this video.....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-xHcvug3WI"]Grand Theft Auto V: Official Gameplay Video - YouTube[/ame]

 

[daze23]

How so? Every game increased in scale and added gameplay features. What more do you want from a game?

does increasing the scale and adding features necessarily make a good/better game?

 

[Kodie]

Its two different games....and more importantly two different types of games. ND took a shot at a new IP and did good for themselves but you are getting off track. UC3 was still a step back from UC2. You can make excuses all day for why UC3 wasn't as good but the fact is, they had time to work out it and it wasn't as good of a game as the one before it. So as I was saying, simply adding more time to the development cycle does not ensure that your game is a success. To me that means the reverse as well. Not spending 3 years to make a game does not mean its automatically not good. Now again, if you are just sick of playing AC then fine. Just don't play it, but don't label it as stale simply because YOU don't feel like playing it anymore. I personally thought the addition of the sea missions were great in AC3 and can't wait to see how it holds up on a larger scale in Black Flag

Meh, you can easily compare two different types of games. There's no reason not to. The polish in TLOU and U2 is head and shoulders above that of U3.

I'm not saying adding more time to a dev cycle is going to mean it's a success. Why would I say that in a world where Duke Nukem Forever exists? There's no blanket statement there. All things being equal, more time can mean more bug fixes and balancing but that's still not the whole story, I agree.

I also haven't made any statements on the objective quality of Assassin's Creed. I'm not pretending to be the every-man. Quite the opposite really. I'm also not excited for a new Tranformers or Hangover.

That said, if Infinity Ward wanted to make Titanfall after COD:MW2, maybe ATVI should have let them? If Bungie wanted to make Destiny after Halo, maybe MS should have let them? If Sony didn't let Naughty Dog release TLOU after U3, where would we be? If you didn't let these folks have creative freedom, the outcome is easy to predict - West and Zampella would be making Medal of Honor games, Naughty Dog would be making Crash Bandicoot 2013 and instead of Assassin's Creed, we'd have more Prince of Persia.

 

[marcuz]

Oh so you have confirmed that a port would automatically have "a more populated simulation"

By all means link that info. I'm sure we are all curious to see it.

And you can keep waiting on that top picture. I'll take this video.....

Grand Theft Auto V: Official Gameplay Video - YouTube

it's just what i personally expect from the next gen version. don't know why my choice to wait for the better product has you so aggy. you play on ps3 or xbox one, and i'll wait for it to hit ps4.

 

[Saint1]

I'm all for improving technical glitches. But one, you have no way of knowing that if they went from AC2 to AC3 if it would have been glitch free. Chances are, there would have simply been other glitches. You have no way of knowing if the gameplay would have changed. Common sense says some things would have been different, but how much of a difference? You are assuming that everyone finds the game stale. YOU don't care for it because you've played it a lot. Fine, but the gameplay itself is still polished and its clearly one of the better games on the market. You have it in your head that it has to take 3 or 4 years to make a game and you automatically assume that when they do that it will be vastly different. But what game has been that way.

Yeah I do find the series stale. You think I give a fukk what the rest of the retarded population thinks? Morons want to line up to pay $60 for a rehash that's fine with me. I don't buy COD or AC. I'm not assuming anyone is finding it stale. I'm stating it as a fact.

You asked me what I want out of a sequel, then hold other people's bare minimum standards to me. You act like i'm an a$$hole for wanting to play better games. If a game adds something insignificant and that's enough for you do you. you enjoy re-heated leftovers what you eat don't make me shyt.

I don't think games will be vastly different but they should improve. Look at Borderlands and Bioshock. Gears did pretty good with new modes but that's not the best example.

Pay attention to what I'm saying and not what you think I'm thinking.

 

[Kodie]

Yeah I do find the series stale. You think I give a fukk what the rest of the retarded population thinks? Morons want to line up to pay $60 for a rehash that's fine with me. I don't buy COD or AC. I'm not assuming anyone is finding it stale. I'm stating it as a fact.

You asked me what I want out of a sequel, then hold other people's bare minimum standards to me. You act like i'm an a$$hole for wanting to play better games. If a game adds something insignificant and that's enough for you do you. you enjoy re-heated leftovers what you eat don't make me shyt.

I don't think games will be vastly different but they should improve. Look at Borderlands and Bioshock. Gears did pretty good with new modes but that's not the best example.

Pay attention to what I'm saying and not what you think I'm thinking.

 

[The Phoenix]

does increasing the scale and adding features necessarily make a good/better game?

Not at all. But it definitely helps. With a game like AC I felt those were the most needed and notable improvements from game to game. And every game seemed to succesfully do that. I mean, if someone can't see the improvement from Revelations to AC3 then I just don't know what to tell'em. At that point they should just admit they have hate in their heart.

it's just what i personally expect from the next gen version. don't know why my choice to wait for the better product has you so aggy. you play on ps3 or xbox one, and i'll wait for it to hit ps4.

Because you aren't waiting for the better product....you are waiting on a shinier product that you aren't sure will exist. I don't really care...I was just pointing it out.......for your sake.

Yeah I do find the series stale. You think I give a fukk what the rest of the retarded population thinks? Morons want to line up to pay $60 for a rehash that's fine with me. I don't buy COD or AC. I'm not assuming anyone is finding it stale. I'm stating it as a fact.

You asked me what I want out of a sequel, then hold other people's bare minimum standards to me. You act like i'm an a$$hole for wanting to play better games. If a game adds something insignificant and that's enough for you do you. you enjoy re-heated leftovers what you eat don't make me shyt.

I don't think games will be vastly different but they should improve. Look at Borderlands and Bioshock. Gears did pretty good with new modes but that's not the best example.

Pay attention to what I'm saying and not what you think I'm thinking.

Ohhhh the emotion.....

It doesn't matter if you care, but you don't get to decide whether or not its stale. If people look forward to playing it and if they feel the game is better, then its not stale. It's your opinion bro. No one is criticising you for not wanting to play AC. I'm simply making the statement that it doesn't necessarily take years in order to make a better game. You point out a game is stale to prove a point....but you can't PROVE a point using YOUR opinion.





Oh and I'm fully aware that I made the very same argument you are making, but about Kevin Hart.....but I'm sorry....that n!gga just aint funny.

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