Exposing Kobe's inflated greatness

[J-Fire]

Basketball fans weird me out these days. always worrying about competition and someone "disrespecting" their favorite player. what happened to Rivalries of fanbases and not giving any type of credit! you make a comment and get labeled a hater. I can't stand basketball fans sometimes!!!! I'm liking college ball better these days....still got rivalries and you ain't gotta pretend to like the enemy to not be labeled a hater of some sort and it's more about the team. Comparing Brady and Manning is like comparing bron and kobe....but basketball fans lose the aspect of team too much.


I'm a Ravens fan and I will usually never give big ben an ounce of credit. And the Ravens ain't giving the steelers credit either.

 

[William Bassington]

anybody that co-sign that article has zero sports knowledge, period

his first argument, is that Kobe Bryant's clutchness is a product of ESPN and propaganda. The problem with that is, Kobe just showed why that assertion is wrong literally a few weeks ago when he brought LA back against New Orleans and Toronto. Using shooting percentage of clutch shots is the complete wrong way to go, considering Kobe has taken MANY MANY more clutch shots than anyone else in the league, its stupid plain and simple

Ok, so by now we should all know that Kobe is far from this clutch-shot-making machine

oh really? too bad actual NBA players dont feel the same way

74% of NBA players answer Kobe to "Who do u want shooting with game on line?" Durant 8%, Wade 3%, Allen/Nowitzki 2%. (SI poll, 166 players.)

its funny to see all these Heat fans in here co-signing this dumbass article, considering a player from their team even agrees that Kobe is the most clutch in the league

But nothing generated more conversation than what Dwyane Wade said.

On the first real official day of All-Star Weekend in Orlando, both All-Star Teams were available to the media this afternoon, and Wade was asked who he’d want to take the last shot if it wasn’t himself. His choice? Kobe Bryant.

but yall gon co-sign this idiot, lol...

So, he initiates a feud with fellow teammate Shaquille O’Neal,

false...
1. Kobe didnt initiate any fued, Kobe just started taking a larger role in the offense, and Shaq got salty

In 2001, the Lakers won the title again; however, O'Neal and Bryant began feuding during the season. O'Neal came into training camp out of shape, which disappointed Jackson and also Bryant, who worked hard over the offseason to improve his game. Bryant was leading the league in scoring as 2001 began, and Jackson said Bryant was playing the best ball of his career. O'Neal was shooting below 50 percent during stretches, and his free throw shooting was in the 20 percent range.[43] O'Neal said of the Lakers in January, "When it was clear that everything went through me, the outcome of it was (a record of) 67–15, playing with enthusiasm, the city jumping up and down and a parade. And now we're 23–11. You figure it out ... I don't know why anybody else would want to change – other than selfish reasons." Bryant responded that it was a different year and the roster had undergone some changes and "things change, things evolve, and you just have to grow with that change.

2. Kobe wasnt some selfish crybaby that was upset the team wasnt his, that was actually Shaq..according to Tex Winter

Upon arriving to the Lakers that season, Winter said he was stunned to discover the level of hatred O'Neal expressed toward Bryant. "There was a lot of hatred in [O'Neal's] heart ... Kobe just took it and kept going." O'Neal regularly expressed to management that he did not believe the team could win a championship with Bryant. Winter observed that O'Neal influenced the entire team against Bryant. Winter thought that Bryant made it a point to get the ball to O'Neal that year, but O'Neal did not appreciate what Bryant was doing to help him.

the dumbass continue

Kobe wants to win. Sure. Just on his terms. Therefore, I wouldn’t call that ‘legendary competitiveness’ by any stretch of imagination.

ha..ok, Im sure no one that has played in the NBA believes that


Paul George recently credited Kobe for his work ethic

“On his growth as a player: ‘I switched it all up, just my whole preparation. I come in early, I lift before every game and I get about 300 or 400 shots up prior to the game as well. All of that really came from Kobe Bryant. With him being around Brian Shaw and Brian Shaw being around us and me having a relationship with Brian Shaw and the conversations we have had, that’s how Kobe prepares and gets ready for games. Me, idolizing Kobe growing up in L.A, that’s really how I changed my whole season around.’”

Durant credits Kobe as well, this year

Kobe Bryant isn’t being a vain superstar when he takes credit for instilling a fight-through-it mentality in Kevin Durant.
He’s telling the truth, Durant said.

but yall gon listen to this clown, lol

the guy claims Kobe's high IQ is a myth

Kobe shoots a lot, drives to the basket a lot, gets to the free throw line a lot, and scores a lot. He has incredible athletic ability for sure. But some sort of basketball savant? Hardly.

beyond laughable, how do you have one of the greatest seasons at age 34 without having a high basketball Iq?
but if that isnt enought, there was a poll done a few years back, coaches and players decided Kobe had the highest IQ
Kobe Bryant has highest 'basketball IQ,' poll says - Ball Don't Lie - NBA*Blog - Yahoo! Sports
but yall gon listen to this clown, lol

then it really starts getting embarassing

Kobe has two rings as an alpha-dog, and three rings as a somewhat replaceable second banana.

this is one of those arguments that only get used when trying to detract from Kobe, only Kobe could average 29, 7, & 6 and still get labeled as a replaceable second option

Sam Jones (10 championships) and John Havlicek (eight championships) are two of the all-time greats at the very position Kobe plays (shooting guard.) But no one ever discusses them as potential ‘greatest ever’ candidates and uses their ring count as the predominant reason for it. Why?

why? because its Sam Jones and John Havlicek you retarded muthafukka

then the dumbfukk continues

But here’s something that Team Kobe always seems to avoid: That is that LeBron, and other true all-time greats – during the primes of their careers, their teams always were in the title mix one way or the other. No matter who they had on their team. One can’t say that (2005-2007, 2013) for one Kobe Bryant.

LeBron played in the Easter Conference against sub-500 teams, enough said

then he says

Basketball ability and even basketball greatness is not defined by resumes

so career accomplishments are irrelevant now?lol
he continue

One of the main reasons why resumes shouldn’t hold much water is that players of yesteryear generally did not play as long, nor play at a sustained high level as today’s players do

Kobe has outlast most of his peers, just like Kareem outlasted his...dumb dumb reasoning considering the most storied NBA players are from years ago and do have impressive resumes

continues to embarrass himself

In terms of possibles, I’d certainly argue for Pippen, Garnett, and Oscar Robertson ahead of Kobe. All three of them are (or were) far superior all around talents to Bryant.

Bryant could never pull off what Garnett did in 2008, where upon arrival, he let the offense run through two other players and decided to serve as the team’s defensive anchor, despite his own extraordinarily advanced game on the offensive end of the floor.

beyond stupid. You really expect a scoring SG to take a step back and be a defensive anchor? WTF? if he had did that during the Lakers 2 championship wins in the late 2000's the Lakers would struggle to average 80ppg...just stupid..Garnett was only able to do that because Pierce and Allen were both elite offensive options, and could create for themselves..and this is his biggest reason Kobe not top 15...LOL

And that right there alone is the biggest reason why Kobe is not one of the ten or fifteen best basketball players to ever live, let alone a member of the NBA’s pantheon. With Kobe, he has to have a team perfectly built around him (an elite big man, some quality perimeter defenders, outside shooters), for that team to succeed

biased argument, considering Jordan never won witout an elite SF in Pippen, LeBron never won without elite shooters and 2 other top 15 players, Magic never won without an elite big men in Kareem, etc...its stupid

 

[mastermind]

all I know is after the 2008 olympics CP3, Melo, Lebron, Wade all had their eyes opened to dude and started taking their games more serious. They all have admitted that over the years.

 

[ItWasWritten]

ahhhh

the anual kobe isnt that clutch nobody is betterr than jordan article.

didnt espn run one of these a few years back?

then all the kobe haters come out dapping it up because finally someone is smart enough to put something together because they cant their selves

but qhen player after player coach after coach gives him his props from what they jave actually seen the haters dismiss just like a kobe stan dismisses this article.

Kobe is great and he is one of the best at all time, his skill alone have him top 4 or 5 now and the best at his posistion.

kobe doesnt hit every last second shot?

guess what neither did your prescous jordan...yes thats right folks he missed a ton of them sh1ts too

kobe actually more game winmers then jordan...but whatever right?

why is this demonic force lookong to tear down what this man has done? i gurantee a lebron isnt that good article could be drummed up but ud never see it.

These type of articles really cement hos greatness imho.

 

[J-Fire]

a lot of people say barry sanders is the best RB of recent history and I think it's emmitt smith. And old heads say it's jim brown. But it doesn't get out of hand like basketball!

MJ is the best and worse thing that happened to the NBA....ain't nobody focusing on the teams. Does it matter who is the best? least more NFL fans are just glad their team won the game.

Basketball allows you to be a fan of a player and go from there...been like that my whole life and i'm 27. But you could still be a team fan in the 90's as the knicks, pacers, heat, rockets, magic put out good teams in addition to the bulls.

 

[Luke Cage]

anybody that co-sign that article has zero sports knowledge, period

his first argument, is that Kobe Bryant's clutchness is a product of ESPN and propaganda. The problem with that is, Kobe just showed why that assertion is wrong literally a few weeks ago when he brought LA back against New Orleans and Toronto. Using shooting percentage of clutch shots is the complete wrong way to go, considering Kobe has taken MANY MANY more clutch shots than anyone else in the league, its stupid plain and simple


oh really? too bad actual NBA players dont feel the same way

its funny to see all these Heat fans in here co-signing this dumbass article, considering a player from their team even agrees that Kobe is the most clutch in the league


but yall gon co-sign this idiot, lol...


false...
1. Kobe didnt initiate any fued, Kobe just started taking a larger role in the offense, and Shaq got salty

2. Kobe wasnt some selfish crybaby that was upset the team wasnt his, that was actually Shaq..according to Tex Winter


the dumbass continue

ha..ok, Im sure no one that has played in the NBA believes that
SAY WHAT: Former Husker Tyronn Lue on Kobe Bryant's competitiveness - YouTube

Paul George recently credited Kobe for his work ethic

Durant credits Kobe as well, this year

but yall gon listen to this clown, lol

the guy claims Kobe's high IQ is a myth

beyond laughable, how do you have one of the greatest seasons at age 34 without having a high basketball Iq?
but if that isnt enought, there was a poll done a few years back, coaches and players decided Kobe had the highest IQ
Kobe Bryant has highest 'basketball IQ,' poll says - Ball Don't Lie - NBA*Blog - Yahoo! Sports
but yall gon listen to this clown, lol

then it really starts getting embarassing

this is one of those arguments that only get used when trying to detract from Kobe, only Kobe could average 29, 7, & 6 and still get labeled as a replaceable second option

why? because its Sam Jones and John Havlicek you retarded muthafukka

then the dumbfukk continues

LeBron played in the Easter Conference against sub-500 teams, enough said

then he says

so career accomplishments are irrelevant now?lol
he continue

Kobe has outlast most of his peers, just like Kareem outlasted his...dumb dumb reasoning considering the most storied NBA players are from years ago and do have impressive resumes

continues to embarrass himself




beyond stupid. You really expect a scoring SG to take a step back and be a defensive anchor? WTF? if he had did that during the Lakers 2 championship wins in the late 2000's the Lakers would struggle to average 80ppg...just stupid..Garnett was only able to do that because Pierce and Allen were both elite offensive options, and could create for themselves..and this is his biggest reason Kobe not top 15...LOL


biased argument, considering Jordan never won witout an elite SF in Pippen, LeBron never won without elite shooters and 2 other top 15 players, Magic never won without an elite big men in Kareem, etc...its stupid

not saying i disagree with you. but you give way too much credit to some of these dumbass under educated NBA players opinions. most of them know just as much about basketball history as the average coli poster. I'd trust the opinion of a coach though. but quote some of the nikkas you quoted would be like taking AI's advice on how to prepare in practice.

 

[FTBS]

I'm conflicted about the article. It does raise some good points about Kobe and anybody whether a laker lover or hater will have to eventually admit that.

My one gripe with Kobe is that as far as skills, he is the best to ever lace a basketball. He can do pretty much anything a wing player is supposed to do and he's pretty good at most of them too. But for some STUPID reason he chose never to use them efficiently. IMO he should have never followed nor imitated Jordan to T. he should have just done his thing. Like Lebron is doing right now.

That's the thing he didn't follow it to a T. He wasn't as efficient. He often played like he got extra points for difficulty. If he had followed truly followed it to the T he probably would have been even better.

 

[William Bassington]

lol at Kobe's work ethic being a myth, some people just cant comprehend how you can be great and have one of the best work ethics in the game still so they try to discredit it

Some of the roots of what made Kevin Durant such an efficient scoring machine can be traced back to the summer of 2008 when he was trying to make the roster for Beijing and the team was given a day off in Las Vegas.

We'll let Durant pick up the story from there.

"We had the day off, but they said we could get some shots up if we wanted, so I decided to head over to the gym with [Oklahoma City teammate] Jeff Green.

"Kobe [Bryant] was the only guy on the bus to the gym, and that spoke volumes to me -- he's the best player in the game, yet he's always willing to come work on his game, so that kind of motivated me and Jeff," Durant said. "He went by himself, he got a lot of shots up, and by the time he was done you could see he had gotten better over that hour. Like I said, it was a big inspiration to me and Jeff."

 

[calh45]

So then how is MJ being the greatest scorer ever valid when he's not 1st or even 2nd?

That sounds like an inflated myth to me too.

And even if he didnt retire for that year and a half, he wasn't passing Kareem.

I'm quoting this post because it seems like everyone skipped past that shyt.


This article sounds like it was written by a Bron stan. Seriously. Whomever wrote this article sounds furious. How in the fukk can you use the word "travesty" to describe someone who is without doubt one of the greatest players in NBA history? There is no doubt about this. Just at the bottom of the list where he says Bron is an automatic pick over Kobe without a doubt is kinda dubious especially given that in the next tier he has Oscar, Shaq, Duncan and Olajuwon. I wouldn't take Bron over the Shaq, Timmy or Hakeem. Why is Bron in the top 7? Pippen or Garnett over Kobe?

I avoided this article for a while because it seems idiotic to discredit the person that EVERYONE agrees is the best player of this generation and AT WORST is in the top 15 of all time.

I've been trying to look up the history of the author, just to see what he's all about, only to find he's a Celtic's "historian" and he wrote an article this past November titled "Jeff Green is not a good basketball player" where he says at the end

"This is Jeff Green. Someone who is not a good basketball player. Someone who was never a good basketball player. And someone who never will be a good basketball player."

and this is the cat you're cosigning about Kobe?

 

[Goatpoacher]

lol at Kobe's work ethic being a myth, some people just cant comprehend how you can be great and have one of the best work ethics in the game still so they try to discredit it

Where in the article is Kobe's work ethic discussed?




LMFAO at the random strawmen people are throwing out there just to say something.

Kobe's overrated. The majority of his 50 plus point games came against NON PLAYOFF TEAMS. THere's a reason he has very few 50 point games in the playoffs. I can only recall one off the top of my head.

 

[Goatpoacher]

anybody that co-sign that article has zero sports knowledge, period

its funny to see all these Heat fans in here co-signing this dumbass article, considering a player from their team even agrees that Kobe is the most clutch in the league


but yall gon co-sign this idiot, lol...

So the fact that Kobe shoots like shyt in clutch situations is not true because you and others believe its not true. I know Colbert coined "truthiness" in a different context, but it's precisely what you stans are responding with now.

 

[bigmanharris]

shut the fukk up you think people really give a fukk about shyt like that...so that means pippen has 0 rings then huh? loser.

Robert Horry > Kobe

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe isn't as great as his stans make him out to be and he isn't as bad as his haters say he is either. He is overrated if you have him on Jordan's and Lebron's level. He isn't as consistent, dominant and smart as those two, but he is still one of the 10 greatest players to ever play and his skill-set is arguably top 3 all-time.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

At least bilz shows his face even when lakers are doing well your bytchass hides then comes out when they down.

Nothing could be further from the truth, you little grease ball. I've barely posted about the Lakers this entire season because they've been so bad Its only fun for me to shyt on Lakers fans when you guys are all hyped up with inflated confidence

 

[Da_Eggman]

Robert Horry > Kobe

Goes without saying