Exposing Kobe's inflated greatness

[Goatpoacher]

But we DID watch the games and it's not without context.

Dude asked how is Kobe supposed to be one of the great all-time scorers. Well, the fact that his PPG career average, combined with his numerous 50 point games, and scoring titles all combined makes him 2nd to only MJ as a scorer in the last 40 years.



Come on breh.

So, Durant is a better scorer than Kobe?

 

[Newzz]

Since you so astute, why don't you post Kobe's numbers as a starter???

Fact that Kobe is so high on this list after spending 2 years on the bench is an accomplishment.

Breh, if I did that....these haters would be hating so hard.


Their computers will definitely be puting

 

[Goatpoacher]

Breh, if I did that....these haters would be hating so hard.


Their computers will definitely be puting

Why don't you make it even more fair and take out all the games in which Kobe played against good defenders. And take out all the games he played injured.

fukk it, why don't you just take the average of all of KObe's 50 point games? It's the only fair method to measure his greatness.


It's still bizzarro world with the autistic children that ride for Kobe.

 

[FTBS]

not necessarily but in this case it provides context

Kobe's career PPG is not indicative of his greatness scoring-wise because he spent a majority of his prime playing with another 28ppg scorer. If Kobe had played on his own team from the beginning like MJ, AI, Durant, etc. he would've had alot more than 2 scoring titles and averaged alot higher than 25.5ppg.

The fact Kobe's third all-time in 50 point games should saying something about how explosive a scorer he was. In 2 years, 05-07, he had 16 50 point games in that span. Thats more than any other player in NBA history outside of Wilt and Jordan. And that was in just TWO YEARS!!!

Imagine if a 21 year old Kobe was fighting to make the playoffs for 4-5 seasons in the eastern conference like AI and T-Mac all those years. He prolly woulda had WAY MORE 50 point games and his career average would be closer to 30ppg.

I never said he wasn't an all-time great scorer as a matter I said the exact opposite. BTW Durant manages to lead the L in scoring year in and year out with a PG he regularly outshoots him. Poor shot selection and skipping college are the reasons why his PPG isn't as high not great teammates or playing in the more offensive conference.

But we DID watch the games and it's not without context.

Dude asked how is Kobe supposed to be one of the great all-time scorers. Well, the fact that his PPG career average, combined with his numerous 50 point games, and scoring titles all combined makes him 2nd to only MJ as a scorer in the last 40 years.



Come on breh.

Did I deny he was an all-time great scorer? Where did I say that?

50 pt games must be the end all be all to you because there are other nikkas with higer PPG and as many or more scoring titles. So based upon the criteria that YOU are setting forth it's all about the 50 pt games and that is a silly metric. You can't speak to watching games and context and then list things that dont' require you to watch games and the only context is the context that you create. Kobe is the best scorer since Mike since he was able to score from anywhere on the floor on anybody and did so consistently over time and because he has the mentality to score and take over. Bron and Durant are the only guys currently playing with a shot of surpassing him.

 

[bigmanharris]

Kobe isn't as great as his stans make him out to be and he isn't as bad as his haters say he is either. He is overrated if you have him on Jordan's and Lebron's level. He isn't as consistent, dominant and smart as those two, but he is still one of the 10 greatest players to ever play and his skill-set is arguably top 3 all-time.

This

 

[Newzz]

I never said he wasn't an all-time great scorer as a matter I said the exact opposite. BTW Durant manages to lead the L in scoring year in and year out with a PG he regularly outshoots him. Poor shot selection and skipping college are the reasons why his PPG isn't as high not great teammates or playing in the more offensive conference.



Did I deny he was an all-time great scorer? Where did I say that?

50 pt games must be the end all be all to you because there are other nikkas with higer PPG and as many or more scoring titles. So based upon the criteria that YOU are setting forth it's all about the 50 pt games and that is a silly metric. You can't speak to watching games and context and then list things that dont' require you to watch games and the only context is the context that you create. Kobe is the best scorer since Mike since he was able to score from anywhere on the floor on anybody and did so consistently over time and because he has the mentality to score and take over. Bron and Durant are the only guys currently playing with a shot of surpassing him.

I said:

Well, the fact that his PPG career average, combined with his numerous 50 point games, and scoring titles all combined makes him 2nd to only MJ as a scorer in the last 40 years.

And you only pull what I said about 50 points


Once again.......It's the TOTAL numbers that Kobe put up in his career that nobody on that list is fukking with except Jordan and MAYBE Iverson.

 

[FTBS]

I said:



And you only pull what I said about 50 points


Once again.......It's the TOTAL numbers that Kobe put up in his career that nobody on that list is fukking with except Jordan and MAYBE Iverson.

Everybody on that list is fukking with his numbers that's why they are all on the list together. The total numbers has Kobe and all them nikkas in the same ballpark. I am not pulling 50 pt games out, it stands out as the only difference between Kobe and many of the nikkas on there and it is also the least relevant and representative metric. PPG denotes scoring consistently game in and game out. Scoring titles denote that a person consistently scored more than everybody game in and game out for the season. 50 pt games denote that a nikka got hot. If you wanna be all the way real having all those 50 pt games and still not having any seperation in terms of ppg or scoring titles (or actually being behind certian nikkas in those categories) can actually be looked upon as a detriment since it can imply that Kobe just had a bunch of big outbursts but wasn't consistent and fell back to the mean and below when he wasn't having those outburst.

Once again I am not disagreeing with your assertion I am disagreeing with your support of your assertion. That list does nothing to demonstrate that Kobe is head and shoulders above anyone on it. It's like using career ppg and scoring titles to try demonstrate how dominant Shaq was. The numbers don't really bear that out. Only thing that bears that out is having actually seen the nikka play.

 

[Jplaya2023]

not necessarily but in this case it provides context

Kobe's career PPG is not indicative of his greatness scoring-wise because he spent a majority of his prime playing with another 28ppg scorer. If Kobe had played on his own team from the beginning like MJ, AI, Durant, etc. he would've had alot more than 2 scoring titles and averaged alot higher than 25.5ppg.

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Can you explain why in 9 years as the #1 option KObe only has 2 scoring titles? According to you he should be winning his 9th straight scoring title

 

[FTBS]

Since you so astute, why don't you post Kobe's numbers as a starter???

Fact that Kobe is so high on this list after spending 2 years on the bench is an accomplishment.

Why don't we eliminate the years where nikkas were or injured or in contract disputes or fueding with teammates or scaling their game back in order to win? Nobody made Kobe come straight out of HS. He chose to. He wasn't ready and his career numbers take a slight hit because of it. On the flip side he certainly wouldn't be on the Lakers or have 5 rings if he had gone to college for a year or two so all in all I think he's gotten a pretty fair shake out of the deal.

 

[gho3st]

Why don't we eliminate the years where nikkas were or injured or in contract disputes or fueding with teammates or scaling their game back in order to win? Nobody made Kobe come straight out of HS. He chose to. He wasn't ready and his career numbers take a slight hit because of it. On the flip side he certainly wouldn't be on the Lakers or have 5 rings if he had gone to college for a year or two so all in all I think he's gotten a pretty fair shake out of the deal.

Since you so inept, why i dont i post them for you:

1086 Games
PPG 27.4
FG% 45.6
REB 5.7
ASST 5.1
STL 1.6
BLK 0.5
FT % 84

 

[FTBS]

Since you so inept, why i dont i post them for you:

1086 Games
PPG 27.4
FG% 45.6
REB 5.7
ASST 5.1
STL 1.6
BLK 0.5
FT % 84

His career numbers and career itself is . No need to ignore part of it for agenda driven purposes.