Facts about Life in Sodom

[Phitz]

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[Koichos]

@Koichos i noticed another interesting thing

the term "command" or "commanded" began with Noah

Hebrew Concordance: ṣiw·wāh -- 192 Occurrences

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so when God said "the end of all flesh is before me" it really must be talking about the beginning of dreams?

The commands began with the adam using וַיְצַו vaytzav - the pі`el or ‘intensive (active)’ paradigm of verbal root צוה. Both וַיְצַו vaytzav and צִוָּה tzіvvah are 3rd person, past tense of verb צוה meaning ‘he commanded’, but the former is יְצַו y'tzav (‘he will command’) prefixed with וַ־ va- or ‘inverting vav’ reversing the tense from future into past.

וַיְצַו֙ יְיָ֣ אֱלֹקִ֔ים עַל־הָֽאָדָֿ֖ם לֵאֿמֹ֑ר מִכֹּ֥ל עֵץ־הַגָּ֖ן אָכֹֿ֥ל תֹּאֿכֵֽֿל׃
וּמֵעֵ֗ץ הַדַּ֨עַתֿ֙ ט֣וֹבֿ וָרָ֔ע לֹ֥א תֹֿאֿכַֿ֖ל מִמֶּ֑נּוּ כִּ֗י בְּי֛וֹם אֲכָֿלְךָֿ֥ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ מ֥וֹתֿ תָּמֽוּתֿ׃​

Adοnaі-God commanded about the adam, to say: ‘Be sure that you eat from all of the tree of the Garden,
apart from the Tree of Knowledge (good and bad)—you are not to eat from it, because on the day of your eating from it you will definitely [become able to] die[, relinquishing your immortality].’

(B'reshіt 2:16-17)​

The Hebrew לֹא lο (which is a negative, meaning ‘no’ or ‘not’) is also used to express negative commands.

so when God said "the end of all flesh is before me" it really must be talking about the beginning of dreams?

The declaration of the Mabul (Flood), although Man was given time to mend his ways and make t'shuvah (repentance); however, if he didn’t, He would then wipe him out..

 

[Professor K.]

It's crazy how known this story is, but nobody seems to know or try to understand what happened in the chapter directly before

 

[MMS]

It's crazy how known this story is, but nobody seems to know or try to understand what happened in the chapter directly before

just reading it I realized something interesting

while the back and forth implies protecting a quantity of people (or creatures)

it also can mean the terms for the numbers themselves: 50, 40, 30, 20, 10

Nun, Mem, Lamedh, Kaph, and Yodh it has always been strange to me how the ancient numbering system goes from 1-10 in single digits but then after that in base 10, then after the tens base 100

in english gematria its base 6, and simple gematria is base 1. @Koichos have you ever spoke about how that numbering system was chosen to begin with? its a very old idea behind alphabets

 

[Professor K.]

just reading it I realized something interesting

while the back and forth implies protecting a quantity of people (or creatures)

it also can mean the terms for the numbers themselves: 50, 40, 30, 20, 10

Nun, Mem, Lamedh, Kaph, and Yodh it has always been strange to me how the ancient numbering system goes from 1-10 in single digits but then after that in base 10, then after the tens base 100

in english gematria its base 6, and simple gematria is base 1. @Koichos have you ever spoke about how that numbering system was chosen to begin with? its a very old idea behind alphabets

Deep thoughts, but even now there's still a disconnect

Crazy how the thing you noticed was the numbers and not God walking up, getting his feet washed, eating, having conversations, then saying he needs to go see what people have been saying about Sodom. It's like there's cognitive dissonance in everybody's minds that won't let them entertain the thought that the there's an entire chapter that has God basically being a person

 

[skylove4]

It was wild to me reading this as a kid in bible study.


Even moreso when i noticed it was a crowd of dudes asking to sleep with the male guests from heaven

Heavenly bussy

 

[MMS]

Deep thoughts, but even now there's still a disconnect

Crazy how the thing you noticed was the numbers and not God walking up, getting his feet washed, eating, having conversations, then saying he needs to go see what people have been saying about Sodom. It's like there's cognitive dissonance in everybody's minds that won't let them entertain the thought that the there's an entire chapter that has God basically being a person

why do you imply im everybody?

shouldnt it be easier to just say "There is a cognitive dissonance in your mind that won't let you entertain the thought there's an entire chapter that has God basically being a person"

well what happens if I say this
"There is a cognitive dissonance in your mind that won't let you entertain the thought there's an entire chapter that has God basically being a heifer"

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 29 - King James Version

Then Jacob went on his journey, and came into the land of the people of the east. And he looked, and behold a well in the field, and, lo, there were three flocks of sheep lying by it; for out of that well they watered the flocks: and a great stone was upon the well's mouth. And thither were all...

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"I Am that I Am" is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye; pronounced [ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje]), which appears in the Bible (Exodus 3:14). The phrase is also rendered as "I am who (I) am", "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am", "I will be what I will be", "I create what(ever) I create", or "I am the Existing One".[1]

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/when-g-d-touches-you-it-hurts.1041456/#post-53173216

 

[cyndaquil]

Bring them out so we can come have sex with them

that line still makes me laugh

 

[Koichos]

just reading it I realized something interesting

while the back and forth implies protecting a quantity of people (or creatures)

it also can mean the terms for the numbers themselves: 50, 40, 30, 20, 10

Nun, Mem, Lamedh, Kaph, and Yodh it has always been strange to me how the ancient numbering system goes from 1-10 in single digits but then after that in base 10, then after the tens base 100

in english gematria its base 6, and simple gematria is base 1. @Koichos have you ever spoke about how that numbering system was chosen to begin with? its a very old idea behind alphabets

I don’t know why, but it’s interesting isn’t it? And there are some unique conventions like טו (not יה) for 15 and טז (not יו) for 16 to avoid resembling the Divine Name. And when we count the 49 days of the `omer (the six shabbat afternoons after Pesah between it and Shavu`ot), days 23 and 46 are unique in that bases 10 and 7 mirror each other.

ח' באייר הַיּוֹם שְׁלֹשָׁה וְעֶשְׂרִים יוֹם, שֶׁהֵם שְׁלֹשָׁה שָׁבוּעוֹת וּשְׁנֵי יָמִים, בָּעֹֽמֶר׃​

Today is twenty-three days, that is three weeks and two days of the `Omer.

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ב' בסיון הַיּוֹם שִׁשָּׁה וְאַרְבָּעִים יוֹם, שֶׁהֵם שִׁשָּׁה שָׁבוּעוֹת וְאַרְבָּעָה יָמִים, בָּעֹֽמֶר׃​

Today is forty-six days, that is six weeks and four days of the `Omer.

This is true also for the Aramaic, by which the Teimanim count the `Omer according to their preservation of the Babylonian tradition where the vernacular was Aramaic:

ח' באייר הַאיְדַּנָא עַשְׂרִין וּתְלָתָא יוֹמֵי בְּעוּמְרָא, דְּאִנּוּן תְּלָתָא שָׁבוּעֵי וּתְרֵין יוֹמֵי׃​

Today is twenty-three days of the `Omer, that is three weeks and two days.

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ב' בסיון הַאיְדַּנָא אַרְבְּעִין וְשִׁתָּא יוֹמֵי בְּעוּמְרָא, דְּאִנּוּן שִׁתָּא שָׁבוּעֵי וְאַרְבְּעָא יוֹמֵי׃​

Today is forty-six days of the `Omer, that is six weeks and four days.

 

[Chrishaune]

Deep thoughts, but even now there's still a disconnect

Crazy how the thing you noticed was the numbers and not God walking up, getting his feet washed, eating, having conversations, then saying he needs to go see what people have been saying about Sodom. It's like there's cognitive dissonance in everybody's minds that won't let them entertain the thought that the there's an entire chapter that has God basically being a person

The Angel of the Lord.....

GOD's specific Angel before the birth of Jesus.
After Jesus you don't hear about the Angel of the Lord ever again.

 

[MrLogic]

The Angel of the Lord.....

GOD's specific Angel before the birth of Jesus.
After Jesus you don't hear about the Angel of the Lord ever again.

acts 12;23

Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.


dude why do you suck at bible study (hate to sound mean or a jerk but you contradict yourself a lot when it comes to bible stuff contextually )

i'm not even religious anymore I know more then most on here about this stuff



I had to study as a kid did some of you wait until you got middle aged to be "religious".




The real Jesus = spirit of God in flesh form

Gods personal physical form since no one can be Gods parent only God contains his own existence but can live in people which is the whole point concerning the gospel

Just like the first Adam before he lost the glory only God was adam parent

John 17-23​

I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

 

[MMS]

The Angel of the Lord.....

GOD's specific Angel before the birth of Jesus.
After Jesus you don't hear about the Angel of the Lord ever again.

its very interesting you point this out. I have said to others the term Angel should be interpreted as "Messenger" for the reasons I'm about to show

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the angel who brought the Israelites into their promised land (and would not pardon transgression because God's name was in him Exodus 23:20–21) was "God's firstborn Son". They sometimes refer to the pre-existent Christ as the archangel Michael. In this way, they link the prince of the people of Israel mentioned in Daniel 10:21 to the firstborn called "the Son of God" because he was created with qualities like those of his Father.

@null i know that this is your background, what say you to this?

i am of the understanding that the idea of portraying individuals as "sons of God" are really related to this passage

Genesis 6:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

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but if you read between the lines it can be interpreted as "Sons of Balak" or "Sons of emptyness". Because he "saw all that Israel did". But Exodus says that Moses was to say to Pharaoh that his firstborn is Israel.

Exodus 4:22 Hebrew Text Analysis

numbers is a divinatory text based on an assumed prediction by the Moabites

Exodus 18:17 Hebrew Text Analysis

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Judges 4:11 Hebrew Text Analysis

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Spoiler

Victory O Lord! - Wikipedia

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And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: tomorrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand. So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

 

[null]

its very interesting you point this out. I have said to others the term Angel should be interpreted as "Messenger" for the reasons I'm about to show

@null i know that this is your background, what say you to this?
[/SPOILER]

JW's say that Jesus was Michael.

"Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. a Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel. (Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?”—by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.—Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7."

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/

NOTE: "evidently" is one of their weasel words.

also note they changed that belief 5 times:

Spoiler: ...

Michael the Archangel is described in Daniel 10:13 as "Mi´cha·el, one of the foremost princes" and at Revelation 12:7 it says " Mi´cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled." In the fifty years between 1880 and 1930 there were five changes as to who Michael was.

1. An Angel that worships Jesus​

"Hence it is said, "Let all the angels of God worship him;" [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because He has "by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they."" Zion's Watch Tower 1879 Nov p.4

2. The Pope and Antichrist​

"Michael and his angels"--the papacy and its supporters--fought against the dragon--pagan rulers, etc.,-- and the great dragon was cast out of heaven. Zion's Watch Tower 1879 December p.6

3. Michael was the pre-human Jesus Christ​

"Can it be that he who was called Michael--Jehovah's chief-messenger--was none other than our Lord in his pre-human condition? we conclude that HE must have been "chief messenger." " Zion's Watch Tower 1883 June p.3

4. The Pope again​

"Michael.--- "Who as God," the Pope." The Finished Mystery 1917 p.188

5. Jesus in heaven​

Since the 1930's Michael is explained to be the heavenly name for Jesus.

"For many years Jehovah's Witnesses have taught that Michael is a heavenly name for the only-begotten Son of God, who was named Jesus while on earth." Watchtower 1984 December 15 p.26

The changing Watchtower interpretation of Bible Prophecy

Numerous examples are provided of changing Watchtower interpretation of Bible Prophecy, showing that the leaders are not directed in what they teach, nor have a solid Bible understanding

jwfacts.com

Angel means messenger.

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the angel who brought the Israelites into their promised land (and would not pardon transgression because God's name was in him Exodus 23:20–21) was "God's firstborn Son". They sometimes refer to the pre-existent Christ as the archangel Michael. In this way, they link the prince of the people of Israel mentioned in Daniel 10:21 to the firstborn called "the Son of God" because he was created with qualities like those of his Father.

not sure about that.

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was sodom a real place?

also here is a breakdown of the story .. guts and all.

 

[Regular Developer]

I started reading a lot mor these past months, and 2 books i'm reading/listening too, its cool to hear about the same groups of people the Bible mentions. Like the Canaanites, Hittites, and whatnot.
- A History of Writing
- A History of Western Philosophy

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

From the research, looks like a bunch of nasty homosexuals huddled up like roaches got eliminated.