Fansided Article: Bret Hart, The most decent mediocre, decent Superstar ever

[Bud Bundy]

Bret's TV and PPV numbers were higher than Diesel, Yoko, HBK, Sid and Takers. Also, Bret was instrumental in making Steve Austin and Mr. McMahon characters flourish which led to the highest rated era ever. Keep in mind, Bret never had Hogan, Flair or anyone pass the torch to him properly, he basically had to start at level 1 and look how well the company did based off the foundation he laid.

If you are gonna look at only numbers and not the details, you gotta put Bret over majority of the guys of his era and this current era

 

[jackswstd]

I really gotta make more use of the ignore feature. I hate this false argument that HBK was some promo god as a heel in '97, like another poster put it his antics in DX were what everyone paid attention to. When Bret went heel he was on fire.

 

[showtime]

Bret's TV and PPV numbers were higher than Diesel, Yoko, HBK, Sid and Takers. Also, Bret was instrumental in making Steve Austin and Mr. McMahon characters flourish which led to the highest rated era ever. Keep in mind, Bret never had Hogan, Flair or anyone pass the torch to him properly, he basically had to start at level 1 and look how well the company did based off the foundation he laid.

If you are gonna look at only numbers and not the details, you gotta put Bret over majority of the guys of his era and this current era

This maybe the record for amount of lies told in one post
Bret's numbers show he was a worse draw then all of those guys you named except Diesel. Bret was even a worse draw then THE MIZ

The reason they even put the belt on Big Daddy Cool was because Bret was such a terrible draw. After HBK won the belt from Bret the ratings doubled and were the highest since the Hogan era. You sound like Bret himself taking credit for everything that ever happened in the history of the company.

 

[Tide Run This]

This maybe the record for amount of lies told in one post
Bret's numbers show he was a worse draw then all of those guys you named except Diesel. Bret was even a worse draw then THE MIZ

The reason they even put the belt on Big Daddy Cool was because Bret was such a terrible draw. After HBK won the belt from Bret the ratings doubled and were the highest since the Hogan era. You sound like Bret himself taking credit for everything that ever happened in the history of the company.

The business as a whole stunk during that era no one was drawing not even the almighty good guy Hoegan.

Bret getting disrespected because of not being the face of a wrestling boom is stupid logic.

 

[Henzo]

The business as a whole stunk during that era no one was drawing not even the almighty good guy Hoegan.

Bret getting disrespected because of not being the face of a wrestling boom is stupid logic.

You didn't refute a single one of @showtime points

 

[Tide Run This]

You didn't refute a single one of @showtime points

No reason too if he's using the Miz as a barometer of being a bigger draw no shyt the business was in a better place in 2011 vs 94/95 or any of those shytty years. What's next Jack Swagger or Sheamus were bigger draws that Shawn Michaels,Razor,Taker,Bret and Nash?

 

[Henzo]

No reason too if he's using the Miz as a barometer of being a bigger draw no shyt the business was in a better place in 2011 vs 94/95 or any of those shytty years. What's next Jack Swagger or Sheamus were bigger draws that Shawn Michaels,Razor,Taker,Bret and Nash?

You said no one was drawing in that era

What era are we talking?

 

[Tide Run This]

From 92-96 who were the top 3 draws in wrestling?

 

[Henzo]

From 92-96 who were the top 3 draws in wrestling?

You gonna answer my last question or are you gonna keep moving the goalposts?

 

[TNC]

This maybe the record for amount of lies told in one post
Bret's numbers show he was a worse draw then all of those guys you named except Diesel. Bret was even a worse draw then THE MIZ

The reason they even put the belt on Big Daddy Cool was because Bret was such a terrible draw. After HBK won the belt from Bret the ratings doubled and were the highest since the Hogan era. You sound like Bret himself taking credit for everything that ever happened in the history of the company.

Bruh, no offense, but I don't think you have any idea of what you are talking about here...

First of all, understand that WWE didn't have the number of revenue streams in 1990-1997 that they do in 2014, so straight numbers aren't gonna give you the full story but they also didn't have the same costs. That said, PPV numbers were higher for Bret's title reign and his run in 1997 as a heel than ALL the ones I named.


If you want to talk TV numbers, HBK only held the belt for about half the year in 1996 before they brought Bret back as the focus, Bret's fued with Austin boosted ratings higher than anything HBK did. You can attribute that all to Austin if you want, but then you'd have to attribute any of Bret's "low ratings" to HBK the year prior since HBK was the guy Bret was fueding with and "The Main Event" so to speak.

 

[TNC]

And hell, if we are going strictly off of who had the belt, Miz would technically be a higher draw than Cena, right? His TV and PPV numbers as champ were higher than typically anything we've seen of Cena over the past 5 years. Now if you look at it logically, you'd realize a large part of that was due to Rock coming back and the foreshadowing of Rock/Cena over the next 3 years, but if you look at numbers and no details it'd lead you to a bonehead assumption that Miz was a huge draw.


Ya'll gotta do better than this...

 

[TNC]

If someone wants to put Bret in the top 10 I ain't mad at all but at the same time if he falls just shy of it I ain't mad either.

If he's not at least in your top 15 then you're just bein disrespectful.

(By the way I'm talkin WWF/E from like the mid 80's and up. I can't comment on the Bruno era or shyt like that cause obviously it came before my time).

It's amazing to me how much people's booking effects how good marks think the performers are...

Like because The Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg and HHH are booked so strongly, that must mean they are heads and shoulders better than their peers.

It's a work, ya'll....

 

[Nintendough]

Cats stay acting like Bret didn't get carried by HBK and Austin. Post 95' Bret couldn't carry a lick.

 

[showtime]

No reason too if he's using the Miz as a barometer of being a bigger draw no shyt the business was in a better place in 2011 vs 94/95 or any of those shytty years. What's next Jack Swagger or Sheamus were bigger draws that Shawn Michaels,Razor,Taker,Bret and Nash?

Forget the Miz all the other guys I posted in the same era were better draws then Bret

 

[TNC]

Forget the Miz all the other guys I posted in the same era were better draws then Bret

How? It wasn't through PPV buys...

Do you have house show or merch numbers that others don't have access to or something? How can you make this claim when there are no numbers that back it?