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So just as I thought you never actually read a scientific analysis.
Bigfoot: The abridged "NASI Report" 1998... (analysis of the Patterson-Gimlin film of 1967
You can go find the rest.

That's not a scientist or a "scientific analysis", that's a report from a "forensic examiner". In other words, some random computer geek with a bachelor's in programming who got a cert because he knows how to clean up images.

You been trying to accuse me of not listening to scientists when you've based your whole thing on a "forensic examiner" who's taken less bio than I have! :gladbron:


The biology in there is mostly bullshyt, and you can tell right away that he's likely never taken an anatomy or evolutionary course in his life. He makes elementary errors like claiming a set of photos "illustrates the evolutionary changes from the gibbon to the human" when humans never evolved from a gibbon, they evolved from a common ancestor to both gibbons and humans. The "science" he uses is almost certainly a mix of things he copied out of books or things other Bigfoot experts fed him.

And ridiculous claims, like he can see the quadriceps muscle flexing or he can see the kneecap moving, at that distance with the film quality and under all that fukking hair? :why:
 

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The Patterson-Gimlin film has just as many experts who say it's real as experts who say it isn't. It's kinda a wash on that. They were making a bigfoot documentary at the time because they was both mountain men and had seen the shyt many times before. They bought a suit from that Morris guy to use for a re-enactment, which most docs have, and while they were out doing shyt for the doc they actually ran across a real one. But the suit they got from dude was in 6 separate pieces, Morris said it himself, the head was its own piece, both arms, torso...etc. Video experts and scientists have broken the film down and there isnt any point on the body that shows seams or different sections.

That's not completely true. Scientists have pointed that there's a line going down the back, which no primate has. That could easily be the zipper seam. And many people who have looked at the film have noted that the torso above and below the hip move completely differently from each other, giving the impression that they are disconnected



Then look at the size, it wouldve had to been a dude on stilts to match that height, and anatomically a human on stilts can't even move like that. If it was a dude in a suit he would have had to been one tall ass deformed human.

You don't know how tall it is. Even one of the "supporters" of the video still says that he estimates the height to be 6'5", and Patterson himself said that the gait from the footprints was 80 inches...that's the gait of someone less than seven feet tall, probably less than 6'6" considering those long-ass steps it's reaching out for.


They've even broken the film down and seen muscle twitch which can be replicated by a man in a suit either.

That's bullshyt - at that distance with film of that low quality and under all that hair, you can't see no muscle twitch. You start trying to enhance film with quality that low, end up with a random bump here or there from the enhancement process and then you can call it whatever you want to believe it is.



But the 2 dudes who did it was hicks basically, they wasn't no Hollywood types or even researchers who could pin point exactly where the joints and muscles should be and how they should hit at certain points in the gate.

That's bullshyt - there are receipts of Patterson visiting Hollywood to consult with people there on numerous occasions before he made his earlier Bigfoot movie.



You mean to tell me Bubba Joe and Willie who literally live in the woods went out there and made an ass out of Stanley Kurbrick with the camera in the 60's? Nah breh. Bubba and Willie couldn't even replicate that with CGI and a Mac in 2017. The simple fact that video is over 50 years old and is still being debated speaks volumes too. You should post some other hoaxes breh, cuz for every point you have there is a valid counterpoint when it comes to the PG Film. That bytch will not go away, and the longer is sticks around the more credible it becomes.

No, the longer it stick around with NOTHING like that happening again, the more obvious how bullshyt it is.

Patterson claimed to have found Bigfoot footprints on his FIRST day looking for Bigfoot. You know how many serious Bigfoot enthusiasts look for him their whole life and never find anything? Then a guy who just happened to have drawn a female Bigfoot that looked exactly like that in his book published a year earlier, a guy who just happened to have filmed a Bigfoot movie and gotten a Bigfoot suit six months earlier, then just happens to catch a live Bigfoot, in broad daylight, nonchalantly walking around not even caring. A female just like his drawing in the book. Right when he desperately needed money too.

And yet he didn't follow it, didn't get any more footage or evidence, and NEVER went back to the spot to go looking for it again. He was out with the film developed same-day (hmmmm....where did he manage to get the film developed same day?) and was promoting it the same week.

Some scams are just way too obvious breh.


Ya'all claiming that this is some super-secret impossible-to-find creature, but it kept coming out and showing itself every time this "random hick" went looking for it, but not for anyone else ever again.

If someone with a modern camera got that same footage, you realize how crisp the detail would be? Yet in 50 years, NO ONE has gotten anything like it. That's why Patterson is famous. If there were really tens of thousands of Bigfoot like ya'all claim, there would be thousands of these films by now.
 

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one thing ive never really understood re:Bigfooot..

especially in the last 30/40 yrs.. we have all this technology now.. why hasnt anyone been able to track it..? :dwillhuh:


Especially when they claim:

With the tech we have there's no reason search and rescue should not be anle to find a body.


So let's get this right - it's impossible for a person to go missing and not be found, ever, but it's not possible to a single Bigfoot out of tens of thousands. :dead:




When a person dies guess what, their bidy release odors that TRAINED dogs could find blind folded.

Nah dawg, you clueless. A person can die in a ravine, falling down a cliff, drown in the water, there's a million places they could be where a dog wouldn't find them. And a place like the Great Smokey Mountains National Park is 522,419 acres. You know how long it would take a search dog to cover ONE acre of dense or rocky forest, and you have to cover over 500,000 acres? You act like you ain't never been in the wilderness before - you CAN'T cover every inch of territory.

You're talking like people's bodies don't get found long after the fact ALL THE TIME. It's pretty constant that people go missing and their bodies are found months or years later. That happens all the time, all over the world, and always has. It's just not as easy to find a body as you make it sound..

Heck, this guy hid on a resort lake for 27 years, committed 1,000 robberies, everyone knew someone was there, and they could NEVER find his camp on the lake. And we're only talking a couple thousand acres, not 500,000.




No conspiracy, I know it's fact. Guarantee agencies in the government do too. My Battalion Commander certainly knew and told me to just "Forget about it".

Not a conspiracy, just another one of those things that hundreds of thousands of people in government have known about for decades without a single one ever coming clean, leaking the info, having a "coming to Jesus" moment on their deathbed, saying the wrong thing while drunk....

We can have Hillary's emails all over the web, but the gigantic Bigfoot coverup that even your lowly Battalion Commander knows about stays completely secure.

:ohlawd:




First mistake, it's not just an animal. They're closer to human than animal and can breed with humans. Imagine the shock if it's revealed there's a massive primate they can and has bred with people. PR nightmare, because then it becomes, "So there's a chance my missing wife is in a cave being raped to death!"

They're rapists now. :dead:

So there be people breeding with these things, but we can't even get a picture? :dead:



As far as the picture thing goes...there's something real strange going on there. They have some type of help from our government and some other type of organization. With the tech to erase quality pictures from a distance.

Oh, I get it now. :heh:




If that is a suit...lol...hollywood needed to apprentice for the designer.

What monster suits had breasts then? What monster suits showed muscles flexing and even evidence of a torn muscle?

You can't see a torn muscle from that crappy ass footage. :dead:

And you're the one who admitted that Morris sold him the suit. Morris sold him a FEMALE suit for a circus act involving a skit where a woman transforms into an ape. And Patterson had been obsessed with female Bigfoot for years at that point, even drawing one into his book that looks exactly the same as the suit, hairy (non-primate) breasts and all.
 

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Just in case you need to know how seriously to take all this stuff:

No conspiracy, I know it's fact. Guarantee agencies in the government do too. My Battalion Commander certainly knew and told me to just "Forget about it".

As far as the picture thing goes...there's something real strange going on there. They have some type of help from our government and some other type of organization. With the tech to erase quality pictures from a distance.
 
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Especially when they claim:




So let's get this right - it's impossible for a person to go missing and not be found, ever, but it's not possible to a single Bigfoot out of tens of thousands. :dead:






Nah dawg, you clueless. A person can die in a ravine, falling down a cliff, drown in the water, there's a million places they could be where a dog wouldn't find them. And a place like the Great Smokey Mountains National Park is 522,419 acres. You know how long it would take a search dog to cover ONE acre of dense or rocky forest, and you have to cover over 500,000 acres? You act like you ain't never been in the wilderness before - you CAN'T cover every inch of territory.

You're talking like people's bodies don't get found long after the fact ALL THE TIME. It's pretty constant that people go missing and their bodies are found months or years later. That happens all the time, all over the world, and always has. It's just not as easy to find a body as you make it sound..

Heck, this guy hid on a resort lake for 27 years, committed 1,000 robberies, everyone knew someone was there, and they could NEVER find his camp on the lake. And we're only talking a couple thousand acres, not 500,000.






Not a conspiracy, just another one of those things that hundreds of thousands of people in government have known about for decades without a single one ever coming clean, leaking the info, having a "coming to Jesus" moment on their deathbed, saying the wrong thing while drunk....

We can have Hillary's emails all over the web, but the gigantic Bigfoot coverup that even your lowly Battalion Commander knows about stays completely secure.

:ohlawd:






They're rapists now. :dead:

So there be people breeding with these things, but we can't even get a picture? :dead:





Oh, I get it now. :heh:






You can't see a torn muscle from that crappy ass footage. :dead:

And you're the one who admitted that Morris sold him the suit. Morris sold him a FEMALE suit for a circus act involving a skit where a woman transforms into an ape. And Patterson had been obsessed with female Bigfoot for years at that point, even drawing one into his book that looks exactly the same as the suit, hairy (non-primate) breasts and all.
i was just speaking on why there wasnt any tech.. :hubie:

as i said earlier.. i live up here in the mountains.. its akin to the deep jungles.. matter of fact, off-topic: but even in high in the Pisgahs, they have some of the same plants that only thrive deep in the Amazon..

no telling who REALLY lives deep in them joints, and i aint really trying to find out.. :dame:
 

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one thing ive never really understood re:Bigfooot..

especially in the last 30/40 yrs.. we have all this technology now.. why hasnt anyone been able to track it..? :dwillhuh:



My understanding involves two things:

1. How successful would we be tracking a Special Forces soldier with many bush hours? Someone trained in avoiding detection. Multiply that by like 5 because a bf is born into that shyt. Plus they have physical attributes we don't.

2. Has anyone really tried to track one? And I'm not talking about following their track for 100 yards.

I'm pretty sure they have been tracked, killed, and photographed. For whatever reason they don't want it released to the general public.

When I told the Fish and Game of oir sighting, they weren't surprised or laughing. They were just like, "Yeah, we know. They're called Wildman and won't hurt you if you don't bother them".
 
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My understanding involves two things:

1. How successful would we be tracking a Special Forces soldier with many bush hours? Someone trained in avoiding detection. Multiply that by like 5 because a bf is born into that shyt. Plus they have physical attributes we don't.

2. Has anyone really tried to track one? And I'm not talking about following their track for 100 yards.

I'm pretty sure they have been tracked, killed, and photographed. For whatever reason they don't want it released to the general public.

When I told the Fish and Game of oir sighting, they weren't surprised or laughing. They were just like, "Yeah, we know. They're called Wildman and won't hurt you if you don't bother them".
how would anyone know they have different physical attributes.. if one has never been caught, or examined..? :patrice:

we can study different species that live in the blackest, and deepest parts of the ocean(and.. thats just as far as we can go- right now).. but, we cant track/find something thats in the woods..? hell.. they can ping a cell phone pretty deep in the woods.. :dead:

 

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My understanding involves two things:

1. How successful would we be tracking a Special Forces soldier with many bush hours? Someone trained in avoiding detection. Multiply that by like 5 because a bf is born into that shyt. Plus they have physical attributes we don't.

2. Has anyone really tried to track one? And I'm not talking about following their track for 100 yards.

I'm pretty sure they have been tracked, killed, and photographed. For whatever reason they don't want it released to the general public.

When I told the Fish and Game of oir sighting, they weren't surprised or laughing. They were just like, "Yeah, we know. They're called Wildman and won't hurt you if you don't bother them".
Ok i'll bite just this once. Why wouldnt anyone want anything pertaining to a new, unidentified species released to the public?
Thousands of new plants, animals and microbes are discovered and revealed every year but they wanna hide Bigfoot because......reasons?
 

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Coupled with my personal sighting of a sasquatch, investigating in ufos, and researching breakaway societies, I'm 100% sure there's much more to this world than what we're taught. Than what the scientific community is leading us to believe in.

I think 99% of us are living in a fish tank or farm. Our world is completely controlled. Everything we're going through is comparable to farm politics between the animals. Meaning pigs warring with the sheep...while the farmer watches it all amused.

I'm not even sure we are real people! We maybe intentionally defective clones who's only purpose is labor or entertainment. Even many scientist reluctantly admit our chromosomes are a dead giveaway to tampering.

That's what I think the universe is

I gave myself a panic attack when I was like 9 years old because I started to wonder what was outside of the universe :lupe: Like we sit on a planet. That planet sits in the Milky Way. Our galaxy sits in the universe. But what's outside of the universe? The universe can't just be chilling in nothingness. It has to be inside of something. And there has to be an out somewhere that leads to somewhere else. Our galaxy is like a single speck of dust in a 50,000 sq ft warehouse (the entire universe). But there has to be a way out the warehouse though? :patrice: I remember thinking that at 9 years old and getting hilariously depressed because I came to the conclusion that there must be a way out but, we're not conscious of it because we're in a fishbowl (or a simulation, computer program, matrix, etc).
 

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So let's get this right - it's impossible for a person to go missing and not be found, ever, but it's not possible to a single Bigfoot out of tens of thousands

No it's not impossible but it's damn hard. A dead body breh...a dog can find that with its eyes closed.

Nah dawg, you clueless. A person can die in a ravine, falling down a cliff, drown in the water, there's a million places they could be where a dog wouldn't find them. And a place like the Great Smokey Mountains National Park is 522,419 acres. You know how long it would take a search dog to cover ONE acre of dense or rocky forest, and you have to cover over 500,000 acres? You act like you ain't never been in the wilderness before - you CAN'T cover every inch of territory.

Naw man you're clueless. And S&R teams would be insulted at you doubting their efficiency. Plus dogs are not the only tool used. There are hundreds of people searching on foot too. Plus air aide. They may not find a person alive, but the body should be found. And cases where a person could have drowned don't meet the criteria for a 411 case.

Heck, this guy hid on a resort lake for 27 years, committed 1,000 robberies, everyone knew someone was there, and they could NEVER find his camp on the lake. And we're only talking a couple thousand acres, not 500,000.

You just made a case for why a intelligent hominid can't be found.

Not a conspiracy, just another one of those things that hundreds of thousands of people in government have known about for decades without a single one ever coming clean, leaking the info, having a "coming to Jesus" moment on their deathbed, saying the wrong thing while drunk....

We can have Hillary's emails all over the web, but the gigantic Bigfoot coverup that even your lowly Battalion Commander knows about stays completely secure.

I never said hundreds of thousands, in fact I'm sure it's classified. People like to harp that the government can't keep secrets...bullshyt...they can keep a secret VERY well if they want. The best way to hide something is to discredit it.

They're rapists now. :dead:

So there be people breeding with these things, but we can't even get a picture?

Hell, just talk to the native americans. You know the people who lived side by side with them.
 

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That's not a scientist or a "scientific analysis", that's a report from a "forensic examiner". In other words, some random computer geek with a bachelor's in programming who got a cert because he knows how to clean up images.

You been trying to accuse me of not listening to scientists when you've based your whole thing on a "forensic examiner" who's taken less bio than I have! :gladbron:


The biology in there is mostly bullshyt, and you can tell right away that he's likely never taken an anatomy or evolutionary course in his life. He makes elementary errors like claiming a set of photos "illustrates the evolutionary changes from the gibbon to the human" when humans never evolved from a gibbon, they evolved from a common ancestor to both gibbons and humans. The "science" he uses is almost certainly a mix of things he copied out of books or things other Bigfoot experts fed him.

And ridiculous claims, like he can see the quadriceps muscle flexing or he can see the kneecap moving, at that distance with the film quality and under all that fukking hair? :why:
You talk so much bullshyt that anyone with common sense isn't taking you seriously. You started out listing stuff like Patterson researching Bigfoot when anyone going out to search for something is going to do background checks on it first. Then you sit there and say you can see a difference between the supposed suit yet you can't notice the fukking muscles moving in the enhanced/restored version of the film??? Next you claim to be a scientist yet never once do you talk about anthropology\biology or anything in a scientific manner until I bring up the numerous scientific analysis done on the film. You stooped so low as to call a forensic examiner out but do nothing to prove what you claim to be. I'm sure you know a lot more than guys like Jeffery meldrum and John bindernagel tho right?
 

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1. How successful would we be tracking a Special Forces soldier with many bush hours? Someone trained in avoiding detection. Multiply that by like 5 because a bf is born into that shyt. Plus they have physical attributes we don't.

Yet Patterson was able to find one his first day looking, and in the video, it's just walking around nonchalantly in broad daylight like it don't even give a shyt. :francis:



2. Has anyone really tried to track one? And I'm not talking about following their track for 100 yards.

I'm pretty sure they have been tracked, killed, and photographed. For whatever reason they don't want it released to the general public.

When I told the Fish and Game of oir sighting, they weren't surprised or laughing. They were just like, "Yeah, we know. They're called Wildman and won't hurt you if you don't bother them".

So F&G is openly admitting it to you and saying no big deal, yet there's a giant government conspiracy where tens of thousands of people are hiding the fact they exist. :francis:




Ok i'll bite just this once. Why wouldnt anyone want anything pertaining to a new, unidentified species released to the public?
Thousands of new plants, animals and microbes are discovered and revealed every year but they wanna hide Bigfoot because......reasons?

Well, they're raping women in caves, right? :mindblown:





Naw man you're clueless. And S&R teams would be insulted at you doubting their efficiency. Plus dogs are not the only tool used. There are hundreds of people searching on foot too. Plus air aide. They may not find a person alive, but the body should be found.

Nah, you ain't never spent any time in the mountains in your life.

Let's go back to the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. That's over 500,000 acres. 500,000 acres is about 22 BILLION square feet.

Let's say a tracker can spot any body he walks within 10 feet of. (Truth is, in a lot of terrain you could be 10 feet from a body and not even know it, but I'll give you 10 feet). You know how many miles trackers would have to cover to have been within 10 feet of every spot in the Great Smokey Mountains? Over a billion miles of walking. That's a thousands people walking a million miles each.

And that's assuming they're somewhere people can reach. Which, if they fell off a cliff or into a ravine or into water or were carried by a wild animal, they might not be somewhere a person can reach at all.

That's why your idea that they can find any body they search for is purely clueless. Search and rescue workers have to go with leads. They follow the trails, try to guess where a person might have gone. Because they can only cover a TINY portion of the total terrain. If they person goes off-trail and they don't know where they turned off trail....they're pretty much screwed unless they get lucky. Because actual feet on the ground aren't going to cover even 1% of the total land area during a search. And good luck finding a body from a plane over forest.



You just made a case for why a intelligent hominid can't be found.

I just made a case for how ONE person can escape detection for a while, when literally their entire life is structured around hiding (never spoke, never made noise, never moved about in daylight, never built fire, only went to and from the target areas in boats across water so that he couldn't be tracked by scent), and even he got caught in the end.

You're claiming that tens of thousands of these guys over many generations are never, ever found.



I never said hundreds of thousands, in fact I'm sure it's classified. People like to harp that the government can't keep secrets...bullshyt...they can keep a secret VERY well if they want. The best way to hide something is to discredit it.

Wait, we have random Fish and Game agents who know about about them and don't mind telling random visitors, random battalion commanders who know all about them and don't mind telling random privates, but it's this big classified thing that only a few people know about.
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Hell, just talk to the native americans. You know the people who lived side by side with them.

The VAST majority of Native American tales of wild men in the woods don't remotely align with the White people stories that started getting told in the 1900s.

Every culture has some sort of wild man story, all over the world. It's natural. Just like everyone has ghost stories. But the fact that 95% of Native American wildman stories are NOTHING like the Bigfoot of White people lore should be giving you pause.
 

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You talk so much bullshyt that anyone with common sense isn't taking you seriously. You started out listing stuff like Patterson researching Bigfoot when anyone going out to search for something is going to do background checks on it first. Then you sit there and say you can see a difference between the supposed suit yet you can't notice the fukking muscles moving in the enhanced/restored version of the film??? Next you claim to be a scientist yet never once do you talk about anthropology\biology or anything in a scientific manner until I bring up the numerous scientific analysis done on the film. You stooped so low as to call a forensic examiner out but do nothing to prove what you claim to be. I'm sure you know a lot more than guys like Jeffery meldrum and John bindernagel tho right?

I love how you deflect from every challenge I gave just to spew that nonsensical line of crap. :heh:

You can name a couple of scientists who think it's possible, and even they have never seen one. On the other side is a million scientists who think it's a bunch of bullshyt.

You really want to play the "Argument from Authority" game when you're gonna lose that bad?



Speaking of Jeffery Meldrum and John Bindernagel, why does every Bigfoot researcher look the same?

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Interbreeding indeed. :ohhh:
 
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Ok i'll bite just this once. Why wouldnt anyone want anything pertaining to a new, unidentified species released to the public?
Thousands of new plants, animals and microbes are discovered and revealed every year but they wanna hide Bigfoot because......reasons?

Are you serious......?
 
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