Fast food workers strike, demanding $15 an hour

[jilla82]

Where do you stop though?

Ok they get $15 an hour, they no longer qualify for welfare but they're still struggling financially, then what? Increase the poverty level so they can receive assistance again?

Im saying Mcdonalds shouldnt be forced to pay them anymore than what they get now.

 

[Rawtid]

This doesn't make sense.

Brokewave said Corporations like McDonald's purpose is to provide a living wage for it's employee so they receive less assistance from the government. If you paid the workers $15 an hour, they would no longer qualify for government assitance but that wouldn't solve their financial issues.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Brokewave said Corporations like McDonald's purpose is to provide a living wage for it's employee so they receive less assistance from the government. If you paid the workers $15 an hour, they would no longer qualify for government assitance but that wouldn't solve their financial issues.

Why not?

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

again...someone define living wage...if someone isnt paid a "living wage" do they die? Do the disappear?

Its an indefinable term.

A breeding ground for under achievement. If you can do less and get more, why do more?

Exactly... these kids are already reckless so let's teach them they don't have to work hard at all in life... U know how many HS dropouts would work full-time at McD's & take away from people who may actually NEED the money?

Guess what the solution would be... raise the requirements to hire... then we're back at square 1...

... & food prices will still hike...

 

[Rawtid]

Why not?

Because the problem isn't wage in the first place, it's money management and lack of skill development.

 

[Commander in Chiefin]

@Commander in Chiefin



You dont understand negotiation. Negotiation is all about leverage. You leverage what you have in order to achieve a goal. The workers are leveraging their positions within the company, which is helping to run the day-to-day operation, in order to secure a higher wage within the company that already employs them. They are not asking for a handout --- they are asking for their work to be valued in the form of higher compensation. To suggest that because they dont have a college degree, they dont deserve a livable wage, is absurd and an unsupportable proposition. Only a fraction of the country has a college degree.

I don't understand negotiating ? I just gave you a personal example of how I negotiated higher pay and better postions. I aquired more skills for my leverage in negotiating. That's how it works. I didn't just show and say, hey, I work hard ! pay me more !

You dont really have a firm grasp on what you're arguing exactly, so you're making a completely emotional argument devoid of logic. For grades there is a set standard of evaluation, and success. There isnt any set standard in this country of compensation, and what determines hard work and success. We have already established that people can make a good living w/o a college degree, so what is this metaphorical "test" exactly?

Yes they are called Compensation Analysts. Why do you think HR depts and managers have yearly reviews of their workers and then decide upon a raise. They analyze the market for said job and it's salary and then depending on your set of skills, you have leverage to negotiate a higher salary

See my comments in red above

And you're contradicting yourself. So you say people can make a good living without a degree but want to argue for burger flippers not making enough because they dont have degrees ? That's the lane they chose to go down. I'm a college dropout myself and never worked fastfood because that lane isnt for me.

Again, YOU make you're own mark in this world. IF you fukked and are flipping burger for minimum wage, that's your own fault. This goes back to the whole entitlement argument.

 

[Rawtid]

Exactly... these kids are already reckless so let's teach them they don't have to work hard at all in life... U know how many HS dropouts would work full-time at McD's & take away from people who may actually NEED the money?

Guess what the solution would be... raise the requirements to hire... then we're back at square 1...

... & food prices will still hike...

LMMFAO!! That smiley is awesome.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I can't wait til' Footlocker employees start demanding $20/hr...

 

[beenz]

This is the definition of

You realize that most corporate compensation comes in the form of stock options? That means that the top executives are being paid through stocks that have ZERO effect on the financials, but lets move on.

Out of the 100k workers working for McDonalds, how many of them are full time employees and not part time? Factoring that in, how many of the employees are full time and still do not make a living wage, so much so that the government is subsidizing their lives with food stamps rent assistance welfare EITC etc etc? The entire purpose of allowing corporations to function and build businesses with the unfettered use of our legal protections and infrastructure is that they employee people and give them a living wage, otherwise what do they contribute to the society, if their employees STILL need a great amount of assistance?

Frankly, the taxpayers are SUBSIDIZING McDonalds if they cannot afford to pay a living wage to its employees which is above the federal assistance poverty line (which they can). Furthermore, if McDonalds cannot comply with this request, they should restructure their business to become more profitable, or be swept aside by regional chains and small businesses who can. McDonalds and other large corporations have been subsidized through their low wages for too long.

I dunno about these Calvin ass nikkas, but my cousin works there at their corporate HQ as a Finance manager and she ain't hurtin at all. see, mcdonald's can be an actual career and be good to a nikka

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Because the problem isn't wage in the first place, it's money management and lack of skill development.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

There's C.N.A.'s out there that are about to be pissed...

 

[Malik]

again...someone define living wage...if someone isnt paid a "living wage" do they die? Do the disappear?

Its an indefinable term.

You know what livable wage means breh. The bare minimum.




Someone that earns $9/hr x 40hrs = $360 a week before taxes, $1440 a month before taxes. Post tax, that's around $1200 a month. I'm guestimating here. In a city like New York, that's




I said the same thing in this thread & the same thing in the Wal-Mart thread we had a while back. $12/hr would be good for most of these fast food/retail/service jobs. That works out to about $1900 a month. It wont be marvelous but you can support yourself on that.

 

[BillBanneker]

Roughly 400 workers at 70 McDonald's, Burger King, KFC and Domino's restaurants rallied for better wages and union benefits.
"The cost of living is going up but salaries are not,"

Organizers estimated that there are 50,000 fast-food workers in New York City who earn $10,000 to $18,000 per year




Fast food workers strike, demanding $15 an hour and unions - NY Daily News

no more dollar menu?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

And you're contradicting yourself. So you say people can make a good living without a degree but want to argue for burger flippers not making enough because they dont have degrees ? That's the lane they chose to go down. I'm a college dropout myself and never worked fastfood because that lane isnt for me.

Again, YOU make you're own mark in this world. IF you fukked and are flipping burger for minimum wage, that's your own fault. This goes back to the whole entitlement argument.

Why are you determining somebody elses value as an employee? Why are you attempting to cap their earnings based on some arbitrary value (anti capitalist)? Why are you reducing a collective labor force in a different industry to your job, you life, and your experiences? Why do you want to put the complete power of employees lives in the hands of ownership who dont give a fck about them? Why are you ignoring decades, upon decades, upon decades of organized labor battles and objectives that fought to ensure a fair living standard for employees? Why are you so oppositional to men like Martin Luther king? Why do I keep going back and forth with you?

Alright. I get it. You're great. Burger flippers aint. They dont deserve a livable wage. The end.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]